Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fifth Yes, I agree with almost all of that. The only thing I would quibble with is that women 'almost never' rape. Women can rape men (and other women) by penetrating them with any object. This is not common, but it's far more frequent than 'almost never'."

[Lee Trundle]

goose 7:07 Mon Jul 24 Poor old comma. He'll be distraught reading that.

[Fifth Column]

"Surface Most research shows women experience domestic abuse at approximately twice the rate of men ie about 1/3 of domestic abuse victims (in terms of violence) are male. You're right that the reporting rate is much lower for men. Having said this, women also massively under-report DA. Most don't report it at all. But in general 1/3 male victims of some form of domestic violence is fairly accepted as accurate. However, the amount who experience serious injury - it's only about 5% of men, 95% women... mainly because on average men are stronger than women and testosterone etc leads violent men to inflict more harm on women than violent women are generally capable of. Also, women almost never sexually assault men. That is incredibly rare. And they never rape them in legal terms. There are male victims of rape and they are raped by other men. Weirdly the perpatrators of male rape often aren't gay or hadn't seen themselves to be gay."

[Fifth Column]

"Surface Most research shows women experience domestic abuse at approximately twice the rate of men ie about 1/3 of domestic abuse victims (in terms of violence) are male. You're right that the reporting rate is much lower for men. Having said this, women also massively under-report DA. Most don't report it at all. But in general 1/3 male victims of some form of domestic violence is fairly accepted as accurate. However, the amount who experience serious injury - it's only about 5% of men, 95% women... mainly because on average men are stronger than women and testosterone etc leads violent men to inflict more harm on women than violent women are generally capable of. Also, women almost never sexually assault men. That is incredibly rare. And they never rape them in legal terms. There are male victims of rape and they are raped by other men. Weirdly the perpatrators of male rape often aren't gay or hadn't seen themselves to be gay."

[goose]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-66288464 whoops!! sorry Nigel.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"arsene I suspect that 1 in 10 figure of abuse by women on men is for reported cases. Men will be reluctant to report this for two reasons. Firstly, owing to the differences in physical strength, men may feel the effects of such abuse too trivial to report. Secondly, there is a huge issue of 'face' that prevents men reporting domestic violence by their female partners. 'My missus beats me up' doesn't get you too much kudos in the cricket club dressing room. One of my (female) friends is responsible for the immediate care/swabbing/debriefing(?) of rape and domestic assault victims. She took the job quite recently. She was astonished by how many of the victims of both crimes are men. It's not half, but it's way more than 1 in 10."

[Fifth Column]

"Nurse You have conflated two things. There is a law around ""coercive control"" which has a very high bar to meet before there will be a prosecution. That law had nothing to do with Sally Challen's case in a legal sense. She was found guilty of murder. Her subsequent appeal stated that she had been subject to a coercive and controlling husband. This led to the conviction ending up being changed to manslaughter so she was released. The defence used the terms as a description of what she had been subject to. They could have used those terms even if it was not a crime in itself. I'm not advocating for or against the finding (I wasn't in court so I haven't heard the evidence) - just saying that the law's existence didn't lead to her release. As for ""victim less prosecutions"" ie where victim refuses to participate, yes it is possible but again the legal ""bar"" is so high that you need very very very clear evidence so it's actually not used very often because CPS won't use it unless it's an open and shut case."

[Darlo Debs]

Coercive control (.in either direction) must be bloody hard to.prove hough I don't doubt it exists. Just out of interest did anyone see the episode if Murder in The Family last week about the guy who set fire to.himself and his mother in law ( to get at his ex wife).in Benfleet? Blood curdling.

[Darlo Debs]

Lol shut up.Rios

[Nurse Ratched]

"I think violence between men and women in relationships, while obviously a bad thing, is actually rather straightforward. My understanding is that now the police can arrest and move towards prosecution even without the co-operation of the victim if there is enough evidence to proceed to court. What I am more worried about is the new element 'coercive control', because I think that has the potential to be dodgy as fuck. Indeed it already has been, in the case of Sally Challenor who, in my own opinion, carried out a calculated, premeditated murder. She has become the poster girl for this dodgy law. I think they chose the wrong case to highlight the perils of this coercive control business."

[arsene york-hunt]

"Domestic violence is a massive issue. When I used to do training sessions for Mental Health Workers, I had all the statistics at hand, but I remember one or two. There were two deaths a week caused by domestic violence in England an Wales. One in nine males physically abused partners. One in ten cases of domestic abuse is woman on man."

[riosleftsock]

"if there were more FELATIONSHIPS, maybe there would be less domestic violence?"

[Darlo Debs]

When.i read back.i also.laughed out loud..That might be my best Freudian slip ever :-) Yes absolutely on.the point re women's aid Another organisation called Touchstone that I know less about has also linked the violence to gender simply because of the numbers I expect ..underneath it all.that is where the issue is. While some studies put the figure of men being abused at up.to.40% they all.recognise that it's more like to be women that are assaulted ( sometimes sexually also) and certainly more likely to be murdered by a male partner or ex partner.

[goose]

Bang on again nurse.

[Nurse Ratched]

"First and foremost: üòâ @ 'FELATIOnships'. I know it was unintended, but made me laugh out loud. Secondly, I think if there is a 2-part study into misogynist violence carried out by a Woman's Aid charity, I consider the dice are pre-loaded. It's kind of existential to their job and funding, isn't it? Regarding your last sentence, how on earth could any of us know one way or the other? How do you prove it? And even if you could, what different would it make? The violence is still illegal. The perpetrator, if found guilty, will still be punished."

[Darlo Debs]

Well given I don't know every abuser and all.felationships are different I can't personally but there has been a 2 part study by a women's aid organisation that looks into misogyny based abuse but not sure it's entirely fair to.post that up.as it doesn't look.into an equivalence of women.who.beat up.their male partner because they hate men and we don't want to.upset goose now do.we? But are you assuming that there aren't men ( or women).who don't beat the partners in significant numbers due to.a hatred of the opposite sex?.

[Nurse Ratched]

"""Nurse it would depend on the motivation behind the attacks . There are many men who attack.their partners through a sheer hatred and disrespect for women. I daresay the reverse could well be true. Obviously though it's not illogical to think it a lot more common in tbe former case."" Can you prove any of that, though? With respect, it comes across as your assumption only."

[goose]

Nurse Ratched 2:13 Mon Jul 24 Re: Woke watch

[Darlo Debs]

Nurse it would depend on the motivation behind the attacks . There are many men who attack.their partners through a sheer hatred and disrespect for women. I daresay the reverse could well be true. Obviously though it's not illogical to think it a lot more common in tbe former case.

[Darlo Debs]

No Surf....you are the one that said women stay and say its because but I love him I suspect emotional and physical.abuse go hand in hand in mist abusive relationships. The abuser will I suspect depend on the victim feeling dependent upon them and thus not emotionally.or physically strong enough to leave.

[Nurse Ratched]

"Debs, it is by no means the worst thing that's happened to me. Didn't even come close. But then he pulled his punches, really. Just enough of a CLUMP to shut me up. Do I think gender based violence is A Thing? Yes. When it is carried out by rapists and the perpetrators of 'honor-based' violence. But there are specific laws that cover those specific crimes. What MATERIALLY is the difference between a man CLUMPING his woman partner and a woman CLUMPING her male partner?"

[Nurse Ratched]

"Debs, it is by no means the worst thing that's happened to me. Didn't even come close. But then he pulled his punches, really. Just enough of a CLUMP to shut me up. Do I think gender based violence is A Thing? Yes. When it is carried out by rapists and the perpetrators of 'honor-based' violence. But there are specific laws that cover those specific crimes. What MATERIALLY is the difference between a man CLUMPING his woman partner and a woman CLUMPING her male partner?"

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Debs I hope you aren't suggesting emotional abuse is a particularly male trait. That would appear to go against any form of reality.

[Darlo Debs]

....Surf that will be on many cases to do.with the psychology of the relationship...physical abuse often goes hand in hand with emotional.abuse.

[Darlo Debs]

Nurse your experience sounds horrendous but that isn't to say there won't be abusers that just abuse their partner and who do so due to.a specific hatred of women ( or men where that is the case) I can't profess to.have the stats regarding quantities and as fifth says there isn't a specific law that just covers domestic violence here anyway. Can you genuinely hand on heart though say you think such gender based violence isn't a thing just because that wasn't your experience?