Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[goose]

"I'd probably be one of those divs. Not that I'd chose Moyes over Tuchel, just that once Moyes is gone I'm not convinced Tuchel is the right choice."

[Lee Trundle]

"Reckon they'll be a few divs who turn their nose up to him, LJC."

[LJC]

Reports that Tim wants Tuchel

[Willtell]

"""If we're going to include every player sale that's weighed against past transfers, for every Fornals, there's a Declan Rice..."" Name one other player that we made a profit on then?"

[Massive Attack]

"Takeshi Right place, right time I think. If we're going to include every player sale that's weighed against past transfers, for every Fornals, there's a Declan Rice that adds ¬£105m alone, pure profit. I think it was that ugly cսnt Steve Bruce that once said, ""it's better to be a lucky manager than a good one"". That's Moyes to a tee. He has more lives than 1 of Kurt Zoumas cats - he even enjoyed a 2nd stint at it, the lucky sweaty cսnt!"

[Takashi Miike]

"massive, I've never totalled it up but he's cost the club millions on almost every sale. very few have we made a profit on or got our money back, he depreciates almost every player. recent examples, pablo fornals (-18m) & Benny (-13m, if and when it goes through). It's unsustainable, no idea what he has on the dwarf & brady but he's cost the club fortunes"

[Steady]

"My gut feel is we'll pick up a bit, be average until the end of the season and finish about 10th. The board will feel it's good enough and offer Moyes a 2 year contract with an option of an extra year if the club wants"

[Massive Attack]

"To be fair to the Gutless One he has been making money for the Club like no other manager in the past, which I think massively works in his favour. The attendances are through the roof, we keep going far in to European campaigns, so is a Brady/accountants wet dream right now. Those types don't give a fuck at all about the style of Football, just as long as the ""results"" are there. It's difficult to argue against that. What my hope is, should our old Czech mate have a deciding influence, is that he actually loves the game of Football and not just a pound note like the other cretinsky's do on the Board... If it's down to money alone, I see Moyes receiving a new 8 year contract (plus 3 years)."

[Meerkat]

"I keep reading about Sullivan in all of this . I realise he is the majority shareholder, but I wonder where Kretinsky is ? Is it neutral , indifferent? Surely with his stake - he can influence any decision, if he wants to . As a hard headed businessman whose only interest I would imagine is the bottom line then I would think he would come down on the side of Moyes out who if is to remain will only damage Kretinsky's investment."

[62Hammer]

"Threesixty: ""Id rather have decent football and no trophies than the other way around. thats me.. others may vary."" No variation here - same for me."

[Eerie Descent]

"Yorkammer 2:40 Thu Feb 15 Just to confirm, are you a STH? If not, how many times have you been to the stadium to watch us live under Moyes? *Waves at Yorkie* You don't pay to go and watch the shit served up, do you?"

[Sir Alf]

"Pundits, ex players, media hacks all still defending Moyesiah Won a cup, good as it gets etc. Know your place West Ham fans. Mid to upper table and perhaps win a low ranked competition every `40 years. What else do you want, you entitled ingrates Here's a more serious question for those media and ex players that know better than us, what team in all of Europe, the globe even, play a low block, counter attacking style and regularly make the top 6 of their league and win domestic and international trophies more often that every 40 years. Lets say every 5-10 years. We know the answer its none, diddly squat. His footballing tactics, style whatever we call it, could get a one off success as we saw and can mean for teams with limited resources, a way of staving off relegation but for sustained success nowadays you have to play possession based football. Its was less the case 10 - 20 years ago but now the pressing, tika take tactics of Pep and Klopp are the norm and you have to play that way. May still not win much but better chance of matching them if you can get the recruitment and player development right. Moyes time is up. Sullivan being loyal as some kind of virtue signalling will mean another missed opportunity to progress imo"

[RootsRadical]

"So Palace are in talks with a highly rated German coach who has had success at 3 clubs, Brentford have already signed a replacement for Toney, meanwhile We are still dithering over whether to offer Moyes a new contract, and are after 3 years are still without a striker."

[roltrader]

"Pressing: West Ham have the fewest pressing sequences in the Premier League. Liverpool have the most. Opposition passes allowed per defensive action (PPDA): These calculate the number of opposition passes allowed per defensive action, essentially measuring how passive a team is when out of possession. Only Nottingham Forest allow more than West Ham. High turnovers: West Ham rarely turn the ball over high up the pitch. Those moments that can be such a source of excitement, winning possession around the opposition box, are rare under Moyes. Only bottom club Sheffield United have fewer high turnovers. Progress against (metres): The final measure worth mentioning, another that illustrates how West Ham play on the back foot, is the one that shows how much progress upfield that the opposition make against each Premier League team per sequences of play. West Ham are top again. Possession: Only six of the 96 teams in Europe's top five major leagues have had less possession than West Ham. All six rank 15th or lower in their respective tables. ""Put simply, West Ham play like a bad team,""ù the report states."

[stubbo]

"Herr (Hansi) Flick been reported as fancying a run in the EPL today...could Steidten make that happen? Strong press a key part of his game. Maybe no 'in vogue' enough for Liverpool...but what about us. Maybe if he brings Von Smallhausen to the coaching staff, and relegates Brady to the role of Helga?"

[Massive Attack]

"Fuck off, RB! Moyes would only end up sticking him at Right Back and demand he swapped his football boots for some concrete boots instead, so to prevent him from venturing beyond our own 18 yard box."

[RBshorty]

See Mbappe told PSG he's out the door come May. Could fill a hole on the left.? Make it happen Tim.!

[LeroysBoots]

So are we perversely thanking Arsenal for their annihilation of us ?

[Fauxstralian]

Games we have won have often been with a bit of genius from Pacqueta Apart from the Conference final think of a game like Man U at home We were fairly turgid and they missed some one on ones (which they took at home) and then Pacqueta plays that sublime lob/chip over the defence to Bowen And then when Mainoo GOOFED and gave the ball to Kudus the instant one/two with Pacqueta split them open though Kudus still had a bit to do In most games if the other team take a fraction of the chances we present a brilliant bit of play like that is going to be irrelevant

[threesixty]

"from that article: ""Put simply, West Ham play like a bad team. And when they lose games the way that they lose them, they are a bad team. That can become really awkward for Moyes when that team includes players of the ability of Jarrod Bowen, Mohammed Kudus and the rest."" The fans are here for life. Beyond the owners or any individual player or manager. And the fans aren't stupid. They know that in the long run only teams that play good football survive. You cant keep playing badly. You cant be the only team in Europe that plays this type of bad football and suspect to survive. We get away with it because the other teams aren't set up to cope with us rather than we have some special sauce. And the minute they decide to actually adjust their game a little to deal with us, we look like the bad team we are. So the style is important. Because the style is what will make us survive in the future and what we need to watch to keep us interested. I hardly watched allardyces games in the championship because frankly they were dire. Yes we went up (in a playoffs ffs), but if we continued like that I just cant watch the game. I cant watch shit football year in year out,. Id rather have decent football and no trophies than the other way around. thats me.. others may vary."

[Sir Alf]

"That article is an excellent stats based view of why fans are not convinced by Moyes and his methods or are wanting change. 4 years into his latest managerial stint. He did a lot of good talking 4 years ago about getting West Ham results before evolving the style to get more possession etc. He tried it last season early on, failed and returned to Moyesball. This season we play it back and forth , side to side more but always slowly and away from the final 3rd and get our wins from counter attacks or set pieces as we always have under Moyes. What the media have not quite grasped is the disfunctional or ineffectiveness of the Sullivan/Steidten/Moyes relationship and roles at the root of everything. Moyes does not recruit the right type of player to effectively change the way we play. Never younger players with great technique and pace and movement. So we cant press very well even if we tried to. Always an older established Prem player. A CB or good at set pieces etc. Why? Because he simply does not understand or have the nous to play the way the top teams do across Europe. Steidten has started to buy the type of players that could evolve the play and to some degree so did Newman. Theyvalso recommended players that Moyes turns down. The ones they do bring in he is reluctant to play or he simply ostracises like Cornet, Downes, Emerson in his first season and now Mavropanas. He was talking about Kudus taking time to settle before he went on a scoring spree and Alvarez he slowly introduced. He wants his players, the ones he chose everytime even if they are inferior. Just to prove he knows best and has final'say. So insecure. And no concept of a squad or rotation, least subs in the division and oldest / slowest team. His whole management horizon is no further than the end of his bugle. Short term and ""all about me, David Moyes""ù Whoever comes in, and we have to pray he's replaced asap, still has a sizable rebuild to do. Sadly I think it will mean selling Paqueta for 80-100 million to City and letting Steidten choose the coach and get 2 or 3 repkacements in as he did with the Rice money. Because Sullivan wont finance it. He simply has to go. Its obvious. It could go pear shaped but if we can keep Steidten and Sullivan gets the fvck out of the way , i think its far less of a risk than keeping Moyes on."

[Massive Attack]

"This talk of Glasner being on Steidten's hit list of potential new managers possibly going to Palace has pissed me off. He really impressed me with the Team he assembled there and how they played against us to then go on to win the Europa Cup at our expense. Was then keen to see how they got on in the CL the following season to see them get out the group stage only to lose to the impressive Napoli in the last 16. And if you squint he kinda looks a bit like Johnny Lyall. Has that cool, calming presence I like. But yeah, fuck all managers out there, so be careful what you wish for........*cocks imaginary gun blowing brains out*"

[Lee Trundle]

Roy Hodgson has just been taken ill. Palace might be on the hurry up with Glasner now.

[Lee Trundle]

"""Put simply, West Ham play like a bad team. And when they lose games the way that they lose them, they are a bad team."" Someone in the press finally understands it."

[Tomshardware]

"Good article Rustu, those stats are just terrible. It's the tactics of a minnow in the FA Cup."