The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

Here’s another

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hillar ... obby-mook/

[Nutsin]

Here is an article from CNN

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/24/poli ... n-campaign

[Nutsin]

Then there is this lil nugget

https://judiciary.house.gov/media/in-th ... den-harris

 

[Nutsin]

An article from the Wall Street journal about Steeles loss in a U K court to Russian Oligarchs

https://www.wsj.com/articles/christophe ... 1594247095


Bet you didn’t hear about this on CNN

[Nutsin]

I do admire your ability to confidently state unsubstantiated theories as fact Nutsin

 

 

That’s all you got Anon, burying your head in the sand now are you?
Ok, I’ll be happy to spell it out for you, seeing as you’re so ignorant.
Under oath in a UK court Christopher Steele admitted the Dossier was fake. He was sued by Russian Oligarchs for slander.

The head of Hillary’s campaign, under oath admitted Hillary created the Collusion hoax to take the heat off her because of the email scandal.

What the Dems say on live TV is completely different to what they say under oath.

It’s easily verified.

Its a fact that the FBI lied on the FISA warrants, it’s been investigated and proven easily verifiable.

Its also been proven that they spied on Trumps campaign.
Again investigated and proven.
Schiff was caught in an obvious blatant lie which is why he was kicked out of an intelligence committee along with Swallwell.
agin easily verifiable.

With The bought and paid for left wing media they bought the narrative on Impeaching Trump over a phone call because Trump was about to expose the Hunter Biden laptop story before they found the laptop.

Something the media tried to cover up as Russian disinformation, remember that? Again throwing verbal bombs at Putin and Russia, which we now know to be a lie. The laptop has been verified as Hunters laptop. So no, it wasn’t Russian disinformation, was it!

Then we have the blatant lies by all in the Dem party and by the bought and paid for left wing media that Biden was as sharp as a tac, when we all saw just how poorly he actually was.

How many more examples do you need ffs?

Dont worry, if you’re not quite there yet, there is more evidence coming.

As for the Epstein list Bondi the attorney General has demanded that the FBI branch in New York release to her all the Epstein docs, they have apparently hidden away.
What a surprise, New York again. You’ll get to see them. Please don’t sit there and try to proclaim that Trump is not being transparent when we just had Biden’s admin in office. The difference between Trump and Biden is night and day when it comes to transparency. I bet Trymp won’t have to pardon His kids when he is about to walk out the door of the whitehouse.

Your argument is pathetic!

[ironsofcanada]

Any which way - and to tie the two topics together - Pam Bondi, no doubt, appreciated the Friday fireworks.

[ironsofcanada]

I've never really understood how it could be explosive anyway, isn't it likely to contain many more innocent associates as guilty? Or is it explicitly labelled "A list of visitors to my island that engaged in sex with minors"?

I guess "list" is an oversimplification.  They did send out a Rolex of names. But as you say, he had dealings with a good portion of the powerful people in the States/world. Like Jimmy Saville, say.

A whistleblower said that video etc was being held back.  If there is real evidence of wrong doing in there that would be the real "list". I guess. 

[Mr Anon]

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

My very speculative guess is that it doesn't exist anymore.

If it as explosive as has been said, why would people in power at various levels let it just sit around for years?

I've never really understood how it could be explosive anyway, isn't it likely to contain many more innocent associates as guilty? Or is it explicitly labelled "A list of visitors to my island that engaged in sex with minors"?

[ironsofcanada]

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

My very speculative guess is that it doesn't exist anymore.

If it as explosive as has been said, why would people in power at various levels let it just sit around for years?

[Mr Anon]

Tomorrow we get to see the Epstein list according to Bondi the Attorney General. 


All this winning, it’s too much! 

MAGA!

More promises made being kept. 

 

what happened to this anyway Nutsin? as far as I can tell was already released last year anyway, and Trump was on it

[Mr Anon]

I do admire your ability to confidently state unsubstantiated theories as fact Nutsin

[Nutsin]

The reason some people like myself like Trump is primarily he puts America first. However there is another reason. That is the left and there absolute lying, bullshit and corruption. 

I liked Bill Clinton and I was for Obama first time around. However I would not consider backing any of the current members of the Democrat party because it is so corrupt.

Lets take a look at what they have done to divide and damage the country with their lies and flat out corruption.

It started with Hillary’s fake Dossier and the Russian collusion hoax. Then they spied on Trumps campaign, which is a crime, Then they abused the FISA warrant process, trampling all over the civil liberties of American citizens. Then they tried to bankrupt Trump and have him thrown in Prison by arming the justice Dept to stop him from running for President. 

And when that failed they tried to have him assasinated…..TWICE!
They buried the Burisma story by impeaching him and they lied through their teeth on TV about having evidence they didn’t have, See Adam Schiff.

And yet you still support these crooks.

But why such extreme measure to stop one man from being elected President some of us have asked, Is it really just because they think he is racist? No of course it isn’t, It’s because they are all corrupt and on the take and are shit scared Trump will expose them.
The black and the Spanish vote caught on and voted with their heads last time around which is why He got so many of their votes this time around.

At some point you have to take a step back and look at the facts.

Trumps not perfect but I’ll take him over the embarrassingly incompetent and corrupt Biden, the corrupt and completely untrustworthy Hillary Clinton, and her dismissive and complete Cunty attitude to American soldiers, what happened in Benghazi is far worse than anything Trump has ever done ffs. The bullshitting, lying Lying, sleazy Adam Schiff and the despicable and corrupt Nancy Pelosi.

The Dirty Dems are toxic and Divisive and have not only created the divide in the USA but have also duped some of you into hating Russia and Putin.

Before Trump and the bullshit Collusion hoax the USA and Russia relations were good. Now we are on the brink of WW 3 and some of you STILL can’t see how easily you have all been manipulated by the corrupt Dems.

They are exposing the corruption now with DOGE and they are providing receipts and it’s still not enough because of your brainwashed TDS.

You need to take a look at yourself. 

Some of us knew Biden was in Cognitive Decline and didn’t believe a word when they were all saying he was sharp as a tac and yet some who can’t think for themselves believed what they were told and ignored what was plain to see.

One of these days you’ll wake the fuck up!

Trumps only just got started, there is more to come and with all this new transparency we will all get to see just how corrupt and evil they are. 

 

[ironsofcanada]

I think in his mind it's the only way he's ensured an intelligent conversation 

You need to do better in proving me wrong there, honestly. 

[Mr Anon]

Jesus Christ.

just got up to speed and half of it is ironsofcanada talking about himself

I think in his mind it's the only way he's ensured an intelligent conversation 

[ironsofcanada]

Jesus Christ.

just got up to speed and half of it is ironsofcanada talking about himself

Or you could argue the facts of the press conference

Either way is fine on WHO.

[ironsofcanada]

Well yes the think tank was, project 2025 was very much written with him winning in 2024 in mind though, the clue's in the title. 140 if his own staff past and present are documented as working on it 

 

 

Of course it was written with him in mind. 

Are they going to write it with Biden winning?  Or Chris Christie, Nikki Halley, DeSantis...? Trump was clearly going to be the candidate on their general side. 

High level politics is actually a pretty small world, conspiracy theories are constantly based on people working in multiple roles.

Again let's deal in facts and what has actually been done and said. 

[dealcanvey]

Jesus Christ.

just got up to speed and half of it is ironsofcanada talking about himself

[Mr Anon]

 

I never said he did did I, he doesn't read it write anything himself, he most likely commissioned it, just like his best selling book 

No.

Heritage Foundation was around well before him (70s i believe) and will probably outlast him. 

Well yes the think tank was, project 2025 was very much written with him winning in 2024 in mind though, the clue's in the title. 140 if his own staff past and present are documented as working on it 

[ironsofcanada]

 

I never said he did did I, he doesn't read it write anything himself, he most likely commissioned it, just like his best selling book 

No.

Heritage Foundation was around well before him (70s i believe) and will probably outlast him. 

[Mr Anon]

 

Oh I think we all know his faux concern for the birds was thrown in there, he has a real issue with any attempt at renewable energy, he lives for the black stuff! 

And ps I'm no fan of wind turbines to be honest, they're not the best solution, you hard boiled yolk enjoying oddity of humanity 

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But another issue.

You know Trump didn't write Project 2025, right? 

I never said he did did I, he doesn't read it write anything himself, he most likely commissioned it, just like his best selling book 

[ironsofcanada]

That is an interesting point, because most on the right traditionally dismiss the electric car as at best as bad for the environment as combustible if not worse. Personally I think there's some truth in that, is it renewable if you're charging it with oil and gas generated electricity for a start. Seems to defeat the purpose 

 

 

Depends on how you can generate your electricity, of course. (Bringing it back to wind farms).

I was working in government when people tried to get nuclear going here as an alternative. Died a quick and early PR death, for lots of reasons. 

Again, lots of complex interelated realities. 

[Mr Anon]

In terms of renewable energy id like to see us having another crack at geothermal and tidal, the roadblock seems to be materials not being up to the task something that surely be cracked with the right people (like musk) being put to the task 

 

[ironsofcanada]

 

Oh I think we all know his faux concern for the birds was thrown in there, he has a real issue with any attempt at renewable energy, he lives for the black stuff! 

And ps I'm no fan of wind turbines to be honest, they're not the best solution, you hard boiled yolk enjoying oddity of humanity 

​​​​

But another issue.

You know Trump didn't write Project 2025, right? 

[Mr Anon]

Oh I think we all know his faux concern for the birds was thrown in there, he has a real issue with any attempt at renewable energy, he lives for the black stuff! 

And ps I'm no fan of wind turbines to be honest, they're not the best solution, you hard boiled yolk enjoying oddity of humanity 

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I live in a land (specific area even) of both oil and wind farms. (The wind here).  We know the effectiveness of both.

But renewable raises on interesting point on the left for me.  You have Musk, who has done more to advance renewable transport than almost anyone in the last 10 years, made verbotten because he supports and is helping Trump.

That is the kind of blind (dis)loyalty I think is a problem. 

That is an interesting point, because most on the right traditionally dismiss the electric car as at best as bad for the environment as combustible if not worse. Personally I think there's some truth in that, is it renewable if you're charging it with oil and gas generated electricity for a start. Seems to defeat the purpose 

[ironsofcanada]

Oh I think we all know his faux concern for the birds was thrown in there, he has a real issue with any attempt at renewable energy, he lives for the black stuff! 

And ps I'm no fan of wind turbines to be honest, they're not the best solution, you hard boiled yolk enjoying oddity of humanity 

​​​​

I live in a land (specific area even) of both oil and wind farms. (The wind here).  We know the effectiveness of both.

But renewable raises on interesting point on the left for me.  You have Musk, who has done more to advance renewable transport than almost anyone in the last 10 years, made verbotten because he supports and is helping Trump.

That is the kind of blind (dis)loyalty I think is a problem.