Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[nychammer]

"York. Merely pointing out how backward looking and absurd of such a turn of events would be for us in footballing terms, like the quality is not already bad enough"

[threesixty]

"Stubbo Great analysis of the problem. Another issue I think is that the success we have had in recent years was never part of any well thought out plan. Which means Sullivan's decision making isn't credible at all. Moyes was put in to steady the ship after his first plan using Pelligrini to turn us into a ball playing club failed. But there was no plan to make us a top 6 European club. This is an accident. Moyes did well initially and possible got lucky with covid (strange sentence that) and we in turn spent money to reinforce the form Moyes stumbled into. But ultimately Sullivan doesn't really know what he's doing in terms of footballing things. He's winged it here. So I honestly think as you said, the only man who really knows about footballing things in the modern era isn't allowed to make the right decisions here. And I don't think Sullivan will get lucky twice. Covid was a 1 in 100 yr global pandemic. I just don't think he's gonna get 2 acts of god here to get lucky again."

[Yorkammer]

"The melodrama on this site is the only thing that makes it worth dipping into occasionally. Interesting to learn that after 129 years, we are finished as a club if a technical director who has been here for less than a year leaves and a manager who has presided over the most successful period in that time stays."

[nychammer]

"The ""other""ù site is reporting that Steidten may consider a move to Liverpool. Who could blame him walking away from this mess, and if he goes and Moyes stays I think we are done as a footballing concern."

[nychammer]

"Read on the ""other site""ù they Steidten is considering a move to Liverpool. Who could blame him from walking away from this toxic mess. If that happens and we keep Moyes we are done as a footballing concern."

[Ron Eff]

"I think its splitting hairs the difference between a director of football and technical director. That's a very well put summary, Stubbo."

[Takashi Miike]

"*sidelined multiple expensive signings that weren't his choice"""

[Takashi Miike]

"stubbo, of course it leads back to that toxic midget cսnt but I can't agree that the manager isn't a problem. especially when he's surrounded expensive signings multiple times that he wasn't his choice, demanded a veto on recruitment, played players out of position even when better players were available (currently johnson LW/LM) and blatantly threw two cup games because he prioritised an upcoming league game while comfortably in the top half of the table. the jock rat is a massive problem"

[Lee Trundle]

"""We have a Director of Football"" I keep seeing this. We don't. We have a Technical Director (Scarf), and a Sporting Director (Nobes). You could probably argue that Sullivan likes to act like one (and fails miserably at it)."

[Sir Alf]

Great summary Stubbo ( summaries not my thing but you have nailed it). Of course none of us know the absolute truth only the people you list do but it seems there is a complete lack of clarity on who does what. Management by committee or just convenient so Sullivan cannot get blamed and abused by fans anymore? The club in over 100 years has never had a vision or strategy and a path to achieve it. Steidten should be allowed to run the football side and get a coach he can work with effectively. Choosing the right players for the tactics and philosophy they both share. His signings ( even the Greek) are decent and could be the foundations for a decent team. Moyes picks are short term and based on reputations. Sullivan will be dead in the next 10 years. He needs to understand he has the chance to establish the club at the proverbial next level. He has to let Steidten do his job and bin Moyes asap

[stubbo]

"With comments form Steidten and Moyes, the info being leaked about the goings on during the transfer window, and the influence of Brady, it's pretty clear there is no simple fix here. - We have a Director of Football who's not allowed to do the job because: 1 - The manager doesn't report to him but has parity 2 - The owner doesn't trust his judgement and wants to 'get involved' in picking players for acquisition - We have a manager who doesn't fundamentally want to work with a Director of Football - We have an owner who wants to be Director of Football - We have a Chairwoman who has no footballing empathy and is pure business Outcome: - The highest respected of the 4 in the business they operate in (Steidten) is courting attention from one of the biggest clubs in the world. - Our second rate manager continues to gain the backing of the chairwoman for largely non-footballing reasons. - Our Third rate chairman is unable to identify his own proclivities as a problem in the setup, so is unable to take the actions required to fix it and will always gravitate towards those that align with his preferences. Basically a massive clusterfuck that simply can't be fixed. The manager is a symptom and not a problem. A potential cure to some aspects of it has been procured but isn't being allowed to be effective, which leads us back to the Goblin at the top of the tree as the on-going root cause. While he's here, nothing can be addressed effectively. Depressing."

[Eerie Descent]

"I'm still absolutely fucking STAGGERED that after watching that humbling on Sunday, the one thing Dave has identified as the problem is our lack of height in the team. Not the seemingly record breaking number of shots we concede every week, the fact we barely have the football, and when we do it's like a hot potato because the players clearly aren't prepared to have it, or that our keeper is still MOTM in a 0-6 battering at home. No, none of that matters, we lack height in the team. Direct quotes. WOW. And there are some West Ham who are fucking having this geezer? Hang your fucking heads in shame."

[Sir Alf]

"Apologies Sold :-) Thx for your tolerance and patience Btw, Soucek's too slow and lacks technique ;-)"

[Northern Sold]

"""I have bored on about it to the point of obsession"". Naaaaaaaah.... not noticed at all Sir Alf you fucking repetitive parrot"

[Sir Alf]

"Several of us in here have been highlighting the obvious limitations of Soucek for 2 seasons. I have bored on about it to the point of obsession. Its not trying to elevate ourselves as great football experts with greater insight than fellow fans. I know I get a hell of a lot of things wrong too about players and tactics which others gladly and rightly pull me up on :-) But Soucek was ( emphasis on ""was""ù ) a very important and necessary signing to help us escape from relegation and instill a work ethic and discipline that was missing. He contributed first season with important goals too and even a little purple patch this season. He fits with a team trying to survive, backs to the wall in a team that necessarily sits deep, in shape and well organised. But the blindingly obvious fact is that he is painfully slow / far too slow for the modern day Premiership and his technique ( control of a football and ability and speed to pass) are markedly below whats required if you want to get and keep the ball. His ability to get his head on the end of things from crosses and set pieces was sussed second season and aside from a purple patch early this season he struggles to convert the few chances he gets. His technique means his finishing is not usually up to scratch. The Moyes tactics and selections for it are tye root cause and why he gets selected every game and playe 90 mins is because Moyes remembers he gets on the end of a counter or set piece sometimes and might grab a goal in a team without a striker. Lovely fella, great attitude but cannot play if we want to do what has been an age old saying in football""¶. ""Win the midfield and you win the game""ù. We usually lose the midfield. Even when Paqueta plays. But watch Moyes pick him against Forest. Hes not the only issue but the most obvious one along with no striker"

[Willtell]

I read this morning that it's Karren Brady that backs Moyes in the boardroom. I'll bet there's two reasons for that. 1) He rejects opportunities to buy players and improve the club's finances 2) Sullivan will almost certainly give her the job of firing Moyes when it eventually happens...

[Rossal]

"yngwies Cat 11:45 Tue Feb 13 Love the geezer? what's there to love. He is our worst player by a country mile, is a massive reason why we touch the ball for a maximum of 3 passes and is a passenger every single game Arguably the worst player in the whole league, I used to say the only teams he would get in would be Sheff Utd or Burnley but I am not even sure thats true anymore"

[daveyg]

I'm banging my head against a wall. Just can't understand how he is still here. Last year he had 4/5 extra chances we just escaped relegation. Got lucky in the final. I mean if you actually watch the Bowen goal Soucek attempts a huge punt into the outer atmosphere to waste seconds with no attempt to attack. He completely misses it. Some how the ball falls to Paqueta who majestically passes through to Bowen. So typical of the actual methods of The defensive midfield and Moyes We've had 2 yrs of dreadful PL with no end product. Surely the players are sick off it. Surely the directors etc must see this and terminate Moyes now. Many a manager has gone for less plus his man managing and anti fan rants. Despise him so much

[Sir Alf]

"Moyes doesnt do in game management. Taking off Zouma at half time was about the only time he's responded to anything before the 70th minute or later. Zouma being fvcked forced his hand. Moyes knows who he will substitute and the minute it will happen before every game. He tries to limit subs like its the 1970s and you are only allowed one. Only time he does multiple subs is when a game is lost. Would love to know what he does over at Rush Green? Is he involved with the drills or just telling Nolan, Hertinga and Mckinlay to implement his low block or double low block master plan?"

[threesixty]

"Stubbo That video is so good and also makes me so annoyed at the same time! It highlights everything wrong with Moyes. If this guy could see that putting ben white in midfield and ignoring Johnson killed us, why couldn't Moyes make a change to nullify this? All he had to do was swap Emerson with Johnson and Arsenal would have been fucked. As you really can't leave Emerson up front on the left wing but Johnson can play left back pretty well. I don't get why he just left it. Couldn't he see it? Why do people feel we have such an amazing coach? Also why doesn't someone ask him at the next press conference why he didn't make a tactical change to deal with arsenals change?"

[goose]

"Palace seem pretty interested in McKenna. Sullivan will no doubt go for the most obvious and most shit choice of manager with ""òpremier league experience'. What's Rafa up to?"

[stubbo]

"Dunno if this has been posted yet, but shows exactly how the idiot Moyes and his decision to make our second choice right back our starting left winger was essentially behind a 6 nil defeat: https://youtu.be/5beivGJWHFc?si=UH4Z4i41DVAFkn54"

[stewie griffin]

"LJC - he'd be my pick i think. But no experience, not glamorous enough etc etc... have a MATE who is quite involved over there and by all accounts and good bloke who wouldn't jump immediately if asked, at least not this season. He's built something and wants to see it through."

[yngwies Cat]

"As much as I love the geezer and I know he loves us, drop Tommy. He's done fuck all in the last few games. He's the Czech Fallani."

[Nick QQQ]

"Alf, by yesterday's man you mean a puppet who won't kick up a fuss? Moyes has no pride and has never and will never criticise how badly this club is run. Even when he's chucked under the owners PR machine"