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Posted: **09 Dec 2024, 09:19**

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 18:03**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:54
I don’t disagree with you, but somehow in nutsins world when the U.K. cuts foreign aid it’s spreading misery - but when Trump does it he’s a legend.

For good or bad, Trump is looking at what is good for the States first, to the detriment of other causes. Been fairly consistent there, probably because it plays so well.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:54**

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:50
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:39

Spreading misery to poorer countries like Trump is?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... usaid-cuts

The US Agency for International Development (the accronym is a sneaky misnomer) did some good things but surely you know that it is/was also how the CIA got things done, when it was too dirty for them to get through their own oversite. Among all its other problems.

I don’t disagree with you, but somehow in nutsins world when the U.K. cuts foreign aid it’s spreading misery - but when Trump does it he’s a legend.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:52**

Is it still unfashionable to support Russia on here? Ukraine isn't even a real country and Zelensky isnt an elected or qualified President. Putin is well within his rights to protect his own people in the Ukraine region.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:50**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:39

Spreading misery to poorer countries like Trump is?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... usaid-cuts

The US Agency for International Development (the accronym is a sneaky misnomer) did some good things but surely you know that it is/was also how the CIA got things done, when it was too dirty for them to get through their own oversite. Among all its other problems.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:43**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:39
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:17
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:06
Foreign aid budget, funded by public finances, is being reduced to accommodate the increased defence budget.

Foreign aid, so spread the misery to the poorer countries, got it.
Thats unfortunate for them but oh well, it’s probably the right thing to do considering. It’s good to throw good money after bad to a corrupt country that is being decimated.

Always amazes me how liberal these liberals are with other people’s money and other people’s lives.

Good luck with that! Hopefully there is another in the fund to cover all that’s needed to keep the Russians at bay.

Spreading misery to poorer countries like Trump is?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... usaid-cuts

Yep, Just like Trump is. Only Trump wants to stop throwing good money after bad at Ukraine too.
so knock yourselves out.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:41**

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:25

The only point I can see you made is you see Zelensky as scuppering deals being made behind closed doors, I can't really debate what happens behind closed doors and nor can you surely. What I can do is comment and criticise what happens on the public domain.

As far as I can see Zelensky stated he was open to a deal but only if US confirmed their security, seems reasonable to me

You literally said "Behind closed doors would be a good fucking start," as something better that could be done. Which is it?

So your position is you can agree to something, say in the press multiple times you are going sign the deal and then change that in a formality press conference and expect not to be treated rudely?

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:39**

Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:17
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:06
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:58
Foreign aid budget that is funded by the tax payer or borrowed money you mean?

Foreign aid budget, funded by public finances, is being reduced to accommodate the increased defence budget.

Foreign aid, so spread the misery to the poorer countries, got it.
Thats unfortunate for them but oh well, it’s probably the right thing to do considering. It’s good to throw good money after bad to a corrupt country that is being decimated.

Always amazes me how liberal these liberals are with other people’s money and other people’s lives.

Good luck with that! Hopefully there is another in the fund to cover all that’s needed to keep the Russians at bay.

Spreading misery to poorer countries like Trump is?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... usaid-cuts

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:37**

Nurse Ratched" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:26
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:02
Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:01
don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

To be fair Anon, you are a cսnt!

It cheers me to realise we all are.

What's the correct collective noun for a group of cunts Nurse?

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:29**

It's the one thing that brings us all together!, you bird bothering old tart!

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:26**

Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:02
Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:01
ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:49 Mr Anon and Hammer I Am

Do you want to insult people or debate the issues? I have raised a number of points which you apparently can't counter.

Fair enough if insults is your version of political debate but that is why Trump is a successful politician, he is better at it than most and political discourse has been lowered to this.

don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

To be fair Anon, you are a cսnt!

It cheers me to realise we all are.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:25**

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:10
Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:01
don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

I have talk to Nutsin years ago, on this thread I disagree with your points.

Again do you want to try to defend your errors or insult people.

Insulting people is fine, WHO is built on it but you are hiding behind it here.

well forgive me for not remembering something you said years ago, Nutsin is a big boy and gives as good as he gets, I'm sure he will be the first to say he doesn't need you defending him.

Back on track I certainly don't mind debating you and not hiding behind anything, which is why I haven't insulted you have I.

The only point I can see you made is you see Zelensky as scuppering deals being made behind closed doors, I can't really debate what happens behind closed doors and nor can you surely. What I can do is comment and criticise what happens on the public domain.

As far as I can see Zelensky stated he was open to a deal but only if US confirmed their security, seems reasonable to me

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:18**

Zelinsky fucked up. He had 90% of what he wanted but came to Washington to try and strong arm changes in what should have been a public 'handshake'. Stronger Economic ties between US and Ukraine with Europe stepping up to provide more regional security is now in the toilet. Silly. Hope they can sort this out.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:17**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:06
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:58
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:55
No it isn’t. As I said before it’s being taken out of the foreign aid budget.

Foreign aid budget that is funded by the tax payer or borrowed money you mean?

Foreign aid budget, funded by public finances, is being reduced to accommodate the increased defence budget.

Foreign aid, so spread the misery to the poorer countries, got it.
Thats unfortunate for them but oh well, it’s probably the right thing to do considering. It’s good to throw good money after bad to a corrupt country that is being decimated.

Always amazes me how liberal these liberals are with other people’s money and other people’s lives.

Good luck with that! Hopefully there is another in the fund to cover all that’s needed to keep the Russians at bay.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:12**

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:07
who have I insulted?? you charisma vacuum dishwater cսnt! SWT of course...

Again, it's fine, mate. Do your worst.

But if you want to hide behind that instead of defending your points, I will call it out for what it is.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:10**

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:01
don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

I have talk to Nutsin years ago, on this thread I disagree with your points.

Again do you want to try to defend your errors or insult people.

Insulting people is fine, WHO is built on it but you are hiding behind it here.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:07**

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:49 Mr Anon and Hammer I Am

Do you want to insult people or debate the issues? I have raised a number of points which you apparently can't counter.

Fair enough if insults is your version of political debate but that is why Trump is a successful politician, he is better at it than most and political discourse has been lowered to this.

who have I insulted?? you charisma vacuum dishwater cսnt! SWT of course...

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:06**

Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:58
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:55
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:48
Yeah, well now there’s another bill to pay.

No it isn’t. As I said before it’s being taken out of the foreign aid budget.

Foreign aid budget that is funded by the tax payer or borrowed money you mean?

Foreign aid budget, funded by public finances, is being reduced to accommodate the increased defence budget.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:02**

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:01
ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:49 Mr Anon and Hammer I Am

Do you want to insult people or debate the issues? I have raised a number of points which you apparently can't counter.

Fair enough if insults is your version of political debate but that is why Trump is a successful politician, he is better at it than most and political discourse has been lowered to this.

don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

To be fair Anon, you are a cսnt!

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 17:01**

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:49 Mr Anon and Hammer I Am

Do you want to insult people or debate the issues? I have raised a number of points which you apparently can't counter.

Fair enough if insults is your version of political debate but that is why Trump is a successful politician, he is better at it than most and political discourse has been lowered to this.

don't be precious, I've only insulted Nutsin and he's fair game, you don't seem to have the same energy pulling him up for calling people cunts throughout this thread

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:58**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:55
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:48
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:46

Like I said, they’ve already committed the 2.5% of GDP and shown where it’s coming from.

Yeah, well now there’s another bill to pay.

No it isn’t. As I said before it’s being taken out of the foreign aid budget.

Foreign aid budget that is funded by the tax payer or borrowed money you mean?

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:55**

Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:48
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:46
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:38

Melodrama? Perhaps, we’ll see. Gotta fully fund NATO and cover the loss of US funding Ukraine that has helped provide the current stalemate. Although the winter has probably helped to stall the Russians advancement. As the weather improves we will get a better measure of how bad the Russian military is. Hopefully they are too badly damaged to advance. If they do then the narrative changes to where is Putin gonna stop.

Starmer said that the UK agree they do have to start paying their full obligation to NATO and that will commence in 2027. How long is it gonna take to get the extra Billions to fund the war? One would think it would be a priority.

Like I said, they’ve already committed the 2.5% of GDP and shown where it’s coming from.

Yeah, well now there’s another bill to pay.

No it isn’t. As I said before it’s being taken out of the foreign aid budget.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:49**

Mr Anon and Hammer I Am

Do you want to insult people or debate the issues? I have raised a number of points which you apparently can't counter.

Fair enough if insults is your version of political debate but that is why Trump is a successful politician, he is better at it than most and political discourse has been lowered to this.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:48**

goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:46
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:38
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:24
As a single country the US pays the lions share, but Europe collectively has given more humanitarian aid while the two a broadly similar for military aid.

it’s February now and no pensioners have frozen to death. The revised spending in the military has been taken out of foreign aid so the tax payer isn’t any worse off.

you really do have a taste for melodrama.

Melodrama? Perhaps, we’ll see. Gotta fully fund NATO and cover the loss of US funding Ukraine that has helped provide the current stalemate. Although the winter has probably helped to stall the Russians advancement. As the weather improves we will get a better measure of how bad the Russian military is. Hopefully they are too badly damaged to advance. If they do then the narrative changes to where is Putin gonna stop.

Starmer said that the UK agree they do have to start paying their full obligation to NATO and that will commence in 2027. How long is it gonna take to get the extra Billions to fund the war? One would think it would be a priority.

Like I said, they’ve already committed the 2.5% of GDP and shown where it’s coming from.

Yeah, well now there’s another bill to pay.

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:47**

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:30
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:14
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:02
You’ve lost me, why exactly is the national debt going to explode? Why is the U.K. going bankrupt?

Where is the money coming from to fund the war once the US stops paying? The US pays the lion share. That’s about to end. Someone’s gotta pay it, unless you want to see the Russians advance. You’ll see, you can’t afford to keep the pensioners warm in the winter as it stands. Something’s gonna have to give.

counties happy to support their ally will pay what they can and no more, no one is going to bankrupt themselves you silly twat.

They can’t afford to fund NATO as it is, where is this extra Billions coming from? OR are you saying that Ukraine will have to fight with far fewer resources?

if the latter and Russia advances at what point do you go to war?

Posted: **01 Mar 2025, 16:46**

Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:38
goose wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:24
Nutsin wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 16:14
Where is the money coming from to fund the war once the US stops paying? The US pays the lion share. That’s about to end. Someone’s gotta pay it, unless you want to see the Russians advance. You’ll see, you can’t afford to keep the pensioners warm in the winter as it stands. Something’s gonna have to give.

As a single country the US pays the lions share, but Europe collectively has given more humanitarian aid while the two a broadly similar for military aid.

it’s February now and no pensioners have frozen to death. The revised spending in the military has been taken out of foreign aid so the tax payer isn’t any worse off.

you really do have a taste for melodrama.

Melodrama? Perhaps, we’ll see. Gotta fully fund NATO and cover the loss of US funding Ukraine that has helped provide the current stalemate. Although the winter has probably helped to stall the Russians advancement. As the weather improves we will get a better measure of how bad the Russian military is. Hopefully they are too badly damaged to advance. If they do then the narrative changes to where is Putin gonna stop.

Starmer said that the UK agree they do have to start paying their full obligation to NATO and that will commence in 2027. How long is it gonna take to get the extra Billions to fund the war? One would think it would be a priority.

Like I said, they’ve already committed the 2.5% of GDP and shown where it’s coming from.

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