Football Super league rumours yet again !!

[ted fenton]

"Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham Hotspur all agree to plan. Five English clubs are among 11 European teams who have signed up to a breakaway Super League in an extraordinary development on the eve of Uefa's announcement of a new Champions League format. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/18/sports/soccer/super-league-united-liverpool-juventus-madrid.html"

[WHU(Exeter)]

"That's how I'd like it to eventually pan out...Real Madrid, Atalanta, Spurs, late additions of Honved and Gornik Zabrze to make up the numbers. With Spurs finishing in an honourable 4th spot."

[Kaiser Zoso]

"It's going to be a small league, only 3 clubs in it at the moment. Maybe Levy can change his mind again, worst they can finish is fourth?"

[bruuuno]

ParadiseLost 4:10 Wed Apr 21 That was my initial theory on it until I realised they really are that naive. Re. the Russian - he has been getting enough hassle as it is from ukgov the last thing he needs is more. This I suspect is the reason why he backed down and consequentially the others followed suit

[BRANDED]

"It's given fans a real smack in the face - Allardyce Or indeed a real "" Cup of the ears"" if you like"

[WHU(Exeter)]

If it's sustainability they're worried about they should get Greta Thunderbird involved. Probably Dan Walker as well for good measure. There's a global footprint to consider here as well.

[ParadiseLost]

"Mike, three hundred million each as a downpayment and they back down in 24 hours without a lawyer in sight. Not the American businessmen I know. But now we of course ‘know’ how much they are worth in a free market. In the future we’ll always have to keep that in mind to ensure we are fair to them won’t we? Maybe we should reserve places for those big teams in Europe or perhaps stop relegation from the Premiership? Perhaps the big six should get a special one off upfront dividend from the next Sky contract? After all, they are trying to work with us despite us holding them back financially. Probably we should move on from the hideous financial disaster a mid week evening schedule would have been globally together with the images of pub regulars throwing pint pots at the TV when one of the games came on. Perhaps now the Chauvin trial is over the other 14 teams could take the knee each week in respect of the big 6?"

[Lily Hammer]

"As I suspected. Now starts the talk of players being paid a lot less, for sustainability's sake."

[Lily Hammer]

"As I suspected. Now starts the talk of players being paid a lot less, for sustainability's sake."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"...""we have to talk to them about how they repay the football community for what they have done"" I know exactly how they can repay for what they have done. They can forever be known as the 15 who tried to advance the arena of football in the same way Roman Polanski is remembered for trying to advance the arena of childcare."

[zico]

"Well said...…………. 'I have mixed feelings,' admitted Wanja Greuel, European Club Association board member and chief executive of BSC Young Boys ins Switzerland. 'On the one hand I am happy because I think this would have been the biggest disaster for European football. 'But I am confused. Did they really think there would be less protest. In my opinion, that was to be expected. 'It will be tricky to reintegrate them,' added Greuel, who was involved in ECA board meetings that agreed to UEFA Champions League plans, while seven of its members were secretly plotting to leave. ''We cannot ban those clubs, but we have to talk to them about how they repay the football community for what they have done.' Greuel hopes that the trauma of the Super League project will allow a fresh start. 'The whole football family has to to find a way to get control of the cost structure. 'Players perform great and deserve great salaries because they are unique but I am not sure they have to earn £50 million a year. 'With less pressure on the costs, we would not be so desperate for more money.'"

[Mike Oxsaw]

"ParadiseLost 4:10 Wed Apr 21 I suspect your alarm bells have been set off by the same things that triggered mine. Someone's playing a longer game here - it all seems to smooth, too orchestrated."

[El Scorchio]

"ParadiseLost 4:10 it was said Chelsea (and Man City) were the most reluctant and last to join up, given they have by far the most abundant sources of income from their owners already. It was just done out of fear of becoming irrelevant. I imagine the whole thing falling apart probably suited Abramovic (and the City owners) quite nicely actually. The other clubs will have needed this much more than them. Specifically the two Spanish ones and at least three of the other English ones."

[El Scorchio]

"ted fenton 4:12 That certainly suggests that this was being planned and orchestrated in secret for quite some time, rather than a whim."

[ted fenton]

"The English 'Big Six' have already lost £8m each after their European Super League was killed off in days... and they could still face huge financial punishments for breaking their contracts Super League clubs bought equity stakes for £8 million to support development The rebel clubs had signed deals with penalty clauses if they left early Man United, Liverpool, Man City, Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea have withdrawn And specialist sports lawyers expect organisers to make the contrite clubs pay Meanwhile ECA board member Wanja Greuel admits he has 'mixed feelings' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9494797/Rebel-clubs-forced-pay-heavy-price-backing-Super-League-insist-lawyers.html"

[ParadiseLost]

"This doesn’t make sense, they all backed down too easily. Take the Russian for example. Does he strike you as someone who bends to pressure in 24 hours? This is not a gentle man. Perhaps we’ve just witnessed a huge charade. The big clubs, because they get outvoted by the smaller clubs never get to achieve their agenda. For the Americans throwing bungs (unlike for the Middle Eastern owner) is risky. But they need to pass a very clear message to the broadcasters, the footballing authorities and the smaller clubs that unless they get more of the pie going forward they aren't going to play ball. Have a helpful investment bank come up with some big figures just to set expectations. Add in making some politicians, including Boris, look good - useful just in case anyone was thinking about clipping your financial wings given your ties to Putin. Then by backing off the authorities, with their overpaid jobs, would be thrilled and welcome the prodigal sons back into the house. Then of course you could let the fans ‘win’, without any fight, therefore convincing them you listened to them and they were, as always, your main concern."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"stewie....THAT precisely Call me petty minded, but the thing that pissed me off by far the most about this whole shoddy thing, was listening to various people in the media going on about defending our football traditions, but then referring to the 6 as the most ""6 most SUCCESSFUL teams in Engand"" That really pissed me off, someone banging on about tradition but then including Spurs amongst them. On a par with Ipswich and Pompey when it comes to titles, their last one 60 years ago and ZERO European Cup/Champions League wins. It's almost as if the media have built that club up for so long, that people have actually started to take the myth as real."

[El Scorchio]

"stewie griffin 3:51 I'm going to guess they are just the top six revenue earning clubs in the country. That's all this exercise was about, after all. There's a big gap from those six downwards. Those clubs were probably judged to be of sufficient value to grow and maximise revenues from this venture. In fact I bet the 12 clubs happened to be the top 12 revenue earners across Europe regardless of previous European pedigree although of course there's goign to be some correlation there, even if a few like Munich told them to fuck off right out of the gate when they came knocking."

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"Klopp was angry and defensive basically saying don’t blame me I’m just an employee, which came across much like ‘I was only following orders’"

[goose]

stewie griffin 3:51 Wed Apr 21 Re: Football Super league rumours yet again !! we both know that football started in 1992.

[Lee Trundle]

"Klopp, I felt, was very measured with his answers when interviewed live on Monday night. He preferred to deflect kicking off with Neville and Leeds over their stance against this Super League. I got the impression he was in the loop."

[El Scorchio]

"WCHammer 3:32 They can keep the massive cock they've got bolted to the roof of it though. It's quite apt for them at the moment. (and they can keep their fucking cheese lounge as well, or whatever it's called)"

[stewie griffin]

"El Scorchio 3:18 Wed Apr 21 Re: Football Super league rumours yet again !! of course they did. This didn't suddenly get dreamt up over the weekend. The 'big six' have been looking at Barcelona & Real Madrid and the way they've cheated their league for years. Conversations about the super league have been going on for years. They even ran a trial PPV for games early on in lockdown - don't think for a second the figures from that weren't considered...which clubs got more punters etc. Most of the clubs involved are in massive financial holes because of covaids, so all that's happened is that it was brought forward, its not some magical new concept. The only shock to me is the make up of the 'big 6'. Man Utd & Liverpool I'll give you. Man City have won a grand total of 0 (ZERO) European trophies of any kind. Arsenal & Spurs have a grand history of 0 (ZERO) European Cup or Champions League wins. Nottingham Forest have won it twice, Villa once. Chelsea are a club who averaged about as much Leyton Orient until Abramovich came along. Could name at least 10 clubs either bigger or of equal size to that lot."

[angryprumphs]

"ParadiseLost 3:31 Wed Apr 21 Not sure there was that much planning involved, looks like it was a quick meeting over a pint at lunch to come up with the overall plan, then someone knocked up a shite website and some pr stuff in the afternoon."

[Kaiser Zoso]

*separating out obvs

[Kaiser Zoso]

"Sheffield Weds got a 12 point deduction for a breach of spending rules, by including the sale of their Hillsborough Stadium home in their 2017-18 accounts despite the ground being sold a year later. That was to massage away a loss greater than £39 million over a 3 year period. Oh, and Charlton considered a legal challenge as they wouldn't have been relegated if the deduction had occurred the season before. Wigan got a 12 point deduction for going into administration. How many points is breaching the PL rules worth then? And why is it that there is no attempt at operating out fans, players, and owners in the above cases?"