Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"People were concerned - or at least aware of immigration back in the 1960s - in evidence I give you the parody sitcom (NOT a documentary) ""Till Death Us Do Part"". What has changed - or been changed by the authorities - is the rate/scale of immigration; integration works both ways - it's not that immigrants should be encouraged to understand the customs & practices of their newly chosen home, that home should be able to accept them at a societal level. Think of society as being a sponge. Trickle water onto that sponge and it can absorb that trickle and there is time to extend the sponge by adding to it as required at a rate determined by the trickle, so that all the water stays absorbed. Turn that trickle into a deluge and it flows straight through, dragging with it some of the previously absorbed water from earlier trickles, and maybe even some of the sponge itself. The deluge needs once again to be restored to a trickle and the only way to do that is to make sure that it is not too strong - in terms of immigrants is simply means restricting the number of individuals allowed to settle in the country; rocket science it is not, neither is it ""playing god"" with people's lives. But it does require an assertive approach. My understanding is that the UK has a perfectly good end-to-end immigration process that takes many relevant factors into consideration. The issue seems to be a reluctance to enforce that policy in any way the elected government sees fit There is no selective victimization at play here - the authorities simply need to ensure that nobody can bypass the existing immigration process - a process that is under constant review to ensure that it is fit for purpose (and not hijacked by any agenda-driven, single issue groups or individuals)."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"Swen, but you can also find out about things, form an opinion about them, and be able to express that opinion, have a discussion with somebody else with a different view, without getting worked up and angry? With a lot of these cases, anybody who is critical of what’s happened, is almost immediately assumed to be ‘worked up’ and ‘angry’, rather than just concerned and critical. It just closes any argument straight away, because one side of it is assumed to be just anger, with nothing constructive to offer. There again, shutting down the argument is probably the whole point."

[Darlo Debs]

"Fifth I take your point but where you are has ways been relatively well off even when.other parts nearby really struggled. Bits of Darlo and absolutely the bulk of Stockton and the Boro etc are very deprived, and have long struggled with many of the issues that exist in London, crime gangs drugs etc. Mostly the perpetrators are white, and obviously the scale is small.er as the population is lower. I am.not saying you are wrong in.your points but those comparisons are worth bearing in mind. Culturally yes it's different but in some parts no less rough. I was working on a rough local council estate and had to turn my car round ....a bunch of kids in balaclavas with baseball bats came at the car and were hitting.it. A bit scary. Bad parenting bringing up.kids with no boundaries happens everywhere even in rich families. Except badly behaved rich kids usually get away with their wrongdoing."

[Eerie Descent]

"https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/education/london-school-coldfall-primary-sparks-racism-storm-by-offering-weekend-lessons-for-black-children-only-c-11234307 Thoughts, Debs?"

[goose]

btw nobody is blaming immigration for everything. but it is the #1 factor driving population growth in this country.

[goose]

5th by moving out of large cities you are in turn putting more pressure on schools and healthcare outside of the cities. Immigrants flow in to big cities and the infrastructure cannot cope. In turn people like you move out of big cities and into the suburbs and rural areas where no new schools or hosipitals have been built and put pressure on the infrastructure there.

[Fifth Column]

"Large scale immigration has had AN impact on public services in some parts of the country. 100% true. That was clearly noticeable in changes in the part of London I lived in over 20 years until about 2019. I then moved somewhere else in the country for work, somewhere overwhelmingly white, England. Very very few non white people. Overall an economically prosperous place. The NHS here is absolutely ####ed just like where I used to live in London. It's not because of immigration that there are issues here with public services. Also, as we're all well aware the NHS has relied on skilled and unskilled immigrants to function for decades now. So, again, the idea that immigration is responsible for everything is just wrong. There are loads of people where I live now who've moved up from London. Most aren't here looking for better public services. They are looking for a place that hasn't changed, culturally, by 99% from 20 or 30 years ago. That's not about colour but about shared social norms and practices. Culturally I feel like where I live now is like London 35 years ago relatively safe, greater sense of community, some lines that even criminals up here won't go past. Don't get me wrong London has never been some haven of tranquility but it is very very different culturally than 35 years ago and I think for a lot of people that is what they are more concerned about. That's why Brexit referendum turned out the way it did. Lots of research showing people felt that the culture they were brought up with was disappearing with negative outcomes as a result. Of course it has made things economically worse in the medium term and may well be bad in the long term but it made people FEEL better. I've gone off on a tangent. In short - immigration is both good and bad. The EU was both good and bad."

[Side of Ham]

Jeez Svender.....you really think a lot of yourself don't you.....hahahahaha!

[goose]

"I think ppl are more worried about access to schools and healthcare, changes to the culture, grooming gangs, terrorism, that kind of stuff. All legitimate concerns btw."

[The Ghost of Sven]

"For those worried about all these brown babies at least Boris Johnson is trying to turn the tide. Now has 3 children with the latest wife and 8 in total (acknowledged). There are supposedly more but he refuses to confirm The latest is called Frank Alfred Odysseus Johnson with his wife pointing out that Boris picked one of the names The Guardian: ""The former prime minister Boris Johnson is keen to be thought of as a scholar of the classics. In Greek mythology, Odysseus leaves behind his wife and child to seek adventure, encountering many other women along the way."""

[goose]

blaming immigrations for something is not the same as blaming the immigrants themselves.

[The Ghost of Sven]

"If you read things from some fruitcake who has little or no support for their statements which have no real effect on your life why get worked up? IT MUST BE EXHAUSTING Snidey I dont like addressing you as you are a tiresome dullard. And a complete and utter cսnt But not sure how I idolise Australia I grew up there, I follow sporting teams there and their international teams. I have family there and visit regularly ... going early next year. In this most recent exchange I have questioned why some think Britain is a 'shit place to live'. Which it isnt Not sure what your nonsense about 'bias' is about Wipe the spittle off your chin and fuck off Thank you"

[Darlo Debs]

"Sounded like that is exactly what you were saying. As fifth pointed out even that is a failure if government to bring in higher levels of immigration.without proper planning. Now even as someone with a non economics background it's easy to see that with the way the system.worked migrants were getting underpaid ( in part thanks to.a loophole) and thatvdrove down wages overall.....to whose benefit. You have to say both business and government. While people were blaming migrants for poor pay and pushing the B word the government were being left be Now we have more vacancies in many sectors (some that have had those vacancies regardless btw) and Wages have gone up.though no where near the rate if inflation, the government are going to have to.use their other lever. Bring about a recession and drive up.unemoyment. We are all fuckjng pawns to.them ( whether immigrant Labour or not) and those who are actually doing the damage.and driving up.inflation through profit."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"Sven is right. If people read things that they don’t agree with and frankly think are out of order, then they should simply shut the fuck up about it and learn to live with it. Otherwise next thing we know, people will be demanding democracy and freedom of expression."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"Sven is right. If people read things that they don’t agree with and frankly think are out of order, then they should simply shut the fuck up about it and learn to live with it. Otherwise next thing we know, people will be demanding democracy and freedom of expression."

[goose]

Don't be silly Debs. Blaming high levels of immigration for the over stretched infrastructure is not absolving the succession of governments who allowed it to happen.

[Side of Ham]

Debs if you lived near London and its suburbs there is no need to listen to the government and no doubts as to what is to blame.....

[Darlo Debs]

That's who the government want you to blame. Well done goose.

[Leonard Hatred]

Willtell You don't live in the UK anymore? FMOB you've never mentioned that before.

[Side of Ham]

"The Ghost of Sven 11:21 Wed Jul 12 Re: Woke watch Hang on, I thought I was English Div....that's why I put....'Svender, you idolise a country you don‚Äôt come from' you certainly don't idolise this country....in fact the drivel you posted afterwards is like a token thing you can easily say you go along with on a forum.....but generally you are a two faced cսnt with your readiness to crack down on stuff over here whilst idolising a country that basically nicked it's land and formed it's own country......"

[Willtell]

"That's an interesting rant Debs! Firstly Sainsbury's adverts. And all the others. I have to confess that I find the overuse of black actors in so many ads and dramas etc are bordering on the stupid. I really don't care what colour someone's skin is but their culture often bothers me. Afro/Caribbeans are traditionally under achievers. Why would you use an under achieving race to represent your business except because you are adopting ""positive discrimination"". That offends me and should offend Afro/Carribean's too. Asians don't need ""positive discrimination"". They have a culture of achievement. Showing an under achieving family as representative of Sainsbury's shoppers turns me off as I want to be seen as a high achiever. I don't live in UK anymore anyway but the point should still be relevant surely? I would think that ""putting the NHS back into people's hands"" is the last thing that needs doing if you want a working Health service. I've never known any worker owned business thrive because they lack leadership. I suppose the Co-op is one and look at how well they do... Britain has a small landmass for its 70million people. At the moment there is a new city needed every year to accommodate immigrants. I find it disgusting that tax payers money gets spent housing the people that are uninvited guests until the law can be interpreted validity of their application to stay. I remember a protest somewhere up north where homeless people objected to a big hotel being bought to house illegal immigrants while they as homeless people are ignored... The real trouble though is apparent now that I see Britain from overseas. I live in a country without massive benefits but it does have a decent health service and very willing workers. They go hungry if they don't work. Brits whine when they haven't got the latest mobile...."

[goose]

You misunderstand me Debs. I’m not blaming immigration for the change in family values (although statistically the breakdown of the family unit is much higher among black people). I’m blaming immigration for our creaking infrastructure.

[Darlo Debs]

"Oh my sweet lord. Did you manage to forget the whole of the 80s that went on to create the culture of selfishness, and breakdown of community in favour of tbe cult of the individual. I don't think you can lay that at the door of migrants and single mums. Our economy got more in from EU migrants than they took out and as for family many if not most migrants families will have their own very strong belief in the importance of family as you'd define it.. With many ( again if not most among certain groups) looking after their elderly that play a crucial role in their family structure."

[only1billybonds]

"Personally, i dont care how many black people are on tv or doing their shopping. Immigration is a good thing but it needs to be controlled. It really is that simple."

[goose]

"I hate the word ‘woke’. But this woke nonsense sits in both my points - what we are teaching our kids, cost to healthcare, but more so the attitude and attention seeking behaviour that goes with it."