Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Willtell]

Stating not tasting!

[fraser]

Three of the YouTube channels are doing polls.. Apparently triggered by a poll that Whetstone did on twitter where 57% said they won't renew if a new contract is offered. At the moment it's about 85% on average don't want him to stay and 75% roughly won't renew.

[Willtell]

"So let's get it straight Twundle? You and goose tasting Kretinsky was going to take over Sullivan's shares, to which I said was ""wishful thinking""ù is me passing my opinion as fact? Is that so?"

[goose]

Will have a day off. Trunds has posted up exactly what you said below - it's pretty clear.

[Lee Trundle]

Except that's not what happened. It was another instance of you passing your opinion as fact. Go and prove it. It'll take you a while to go through all the posts and we'd have a nice morning off from you on here.

[Willtell]

"Oh right. Like when you two insisted that Kretinsky was taking over from Sullivan and you slagged me off for saying it was ""wishful thinking""ù on your part! Just like that then eh?"

[goose]

probably best not framing those opinions as absolutes then - as Trundle has quoted below.

[Lee Trundle]

Willtell goose is right that you've both passed your opinion on as fact. I've said it's my fault for reading what you and Hamas & Pickled have written at face value. Thanks for posting up the links that prove there's nothing concrete in your or his claim.

[Willtell]

And there are one or two completely bigger cunts that take opinions as facts when they clearly can't be...

[Hammer and Pickle]

"All that work just to decide you have nothing to say, Twundle. Fucking hell - get a life, cսnt."

[goose]

correct. there are one or two complete cunts who pass off their opinions as facts.

[Willtell]

Bloody hell there are some right cunts on WHO. Of course there aren't any facts or proof! In case anyone forgets this is a forum for WH fans opinions.....

[Willtell]

Sullivan is an astute businessman. Think of managers from his point of view. When he and Gold took over they inherited a nice manager scraping by on poor playing resources in Zola. He played attacking football and we narrowly avoided relegation. Fuck that thinks Sullivan we need a good experienced manager so who better than a CL experienced Avram Grant? Sullivan's choice relegated us. Who does he pick to get us back up to PL? Sam Allardyce and does he do that? Yes he does. Does he keep us up for the next 3 seasons? Yes he does but fans turned against him and so Sullivan went for a popular choice in Slaven Bilic. It was great with a 7th place first season but once Payet was allowed to leave we struggled to find any replacements of similar calibre. So fans choice Bilic failed in Sullivan's eyes... in came Moyes and although he didn't really improve anything until the final 3 games where 2 wins and a draw pushed us out of the relegation zone. Moyes contract wasn't renewed and Sullivan picked another proven PL winning manager in Pellegrini. Under Pellegrini we spent big with a record £155m with a top 10 first season and then back into the relegation zone in Pellers second season... Back comes Moyes and we narrowly escaped relegation then came in 6th in his second season. 7th in his third season and then a cup win. Sure fans moan about the quality but at 75 years old he doesn't want to be worrying about relegation again like has been threatened every time he picks a new manager except with Allardyce and Moyes... The only message that Sullivan will understand is the loss of season ticket sales and to say it would make no difference is wrong. Sure the bulk of the turnover comes from TV contracts (£148m) but the fans and sponsors add £90m or so. .

[goose]

"Steidten took the job knowing Moyes was the manager. He worked with Alonso at Leverkusen for less than a year, during that year he negotiated a move away. There is no logic in your outcome Pickle, only a drama queen putting 2 + 2 and getting -22. There is zero facts that Moyes & Steidten don't get on. There is zero facts that Alonso would actually want to work with him again."

[Lee Trundle]

"I've admitted it my own fault for giving you and the other idiot any credibility, Hamas & Pickled. In case you've forgot, this is what you and he suggested: Idiot # 1: ""now Stiedten (sic) is off"" Idiot #2: ""David Sullivan who is now about to lose Tim Steidten"" You both seem pretty convinced there. Looking at the links, you're just copying some other person opinion what might happen. Unless it's one of those ""lost in translation"" moments of yours?"

[Hammer and Pickle]

"All I'm doing is considering the logically likely outcomes of Moyes receiving a new contract at the end of this season. Now, you are fearsomely dense, Twundle so it seems I have to tell you that I do not need to ask your leave to use my rational faculties as I see fit. Fucking hell - what a wanker."

[Lee Trundle]

"I wasn't trying to score points, but merely working out where idiots like you and Hamas & Pickled have picked this up from. You're aware you've given nothing but people views there, because they think Alonso MIGHT be Liverpool's new boss, and Steidten was previously his old boss. That's it. Nothing concrete. Yet you and Hamas & Pickled are suggesting it's 100% happening. It's my own fault, really, for reading your and his posts on football threads."

[Willtell]

"Lee Trundle 1:49 Mon Feb 5 Re: Moyes Out Willtell 12:47 Mon Feb 5 ""Clearly Moyes bullshit fools idiots like David Sullivan who is now about to lose Tim Steidten"" Says who? ----------------------------------------- I got bored C&Ping them all but as you were trying but failing to points score you'd know that Google is your friend for info... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13027839/West-Ham-Tim-Steidten-leading-candidate-Liverpool-sporting-director.html https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-next-sporting-director-names-28535892 https://www.hammers.news/news/top-west-ham-sources-worrying-response-to-tim-steidten-liverpool-links/ https://onefootball.com/es/noticias/liverpool-linked-transfer-guru-would-find-director-of-football-role-hard-to-turn-down-38999122 https://www.caughtoffside.com/2024/02/01/liverpool-news-tim-steidten-links-discussed-by-fabrizio-romano/ https://www.westhamzone.com/news/tim-steidten-update-emerges-at-west-ham-after-liverpool-news-from-anfield/ https://www.getfootballnewsgermany.com/2024/former-bayer-leverkusen-director-tim-steidten-a-candidate-for-liverpool/ https://www.thewesthamway.com/2024/01/30/may-tempt-him-liverpool-eager-to-bring-in-tim-steidten/"

[scott_d]

"He won't go unless we decline so much we are in a relegation battle. Out of Europe in the last 16 and 12th in the table, I still think our owners will keep him on based on the last 3 years. It's quite a likely scenario that we are out of Europe are start dropping down the table too. There is no way we are finishing high enough for Europe considering the teams around us. But safety will be enough for Sulli and he'll probably get another contract."

[Sir Alf]

nychammer 4:48 Tue Feb 6 Thats how i see it too. We dont make Europe and lower than 8th and he goes. And hes well on course for that since xmas not having won a game

[GBHammer63]

"The bottom line is Sullivan knows pretty much what he's getting with Moyes and that ties in with his aspirations of just staying in the league. He wouldn't worry about dropping Moyes if things weren't going the way he wants and Moyes is giving him that with the added bonus of deflecting shit from himself. There's so much I can't stand about the club anymore, we're not good on the eye and we're not good to deal with as Leicester,Lisbon, LLDC etc. would testify, which is sufferable if we were getting a balance, but we're not. Moyes should have gone a long while ago for his shit football, shit man management, shit tactics, shit way bringing through any of the youths, shit way of calling out the support and cowardly way he gets good players to play the game. Sullivan is a vile little man with no morals whose only interest is money, Brady is a vile woman whose only interest is keeping Sullivan content with what's coming in, both absolute liars. Gold is at least a dead liar. They've delivered a shit stadium, shit match day experience, massively diluted our support and filled it with whoever they can take a quid off. I wouldn't mind if they listened to the gripes and worked to gradually get things better. Getting rid of Moyes, starting to play in a more exciting way and getting the morgue of a stadium behind the team would be a start. There's just so much apathy now, so little passion. I can't forgive what they've collectively done to our proper support or what they've delivered. Hopefully things will change for the better, every journey starts with a step and all that. Think Sullys sat nav for direction could be playing up though."

[nychammer]

"We have a decision to make. The positives of winning more are counterbalanced by the lows of the negative way we set up. You cant argue its effective, but it aint pretty, and when we lose its downright miserable. Sure, we could gamble on another manager. Worked a treat for Villa, but ask Chelsea how the sainted Pochettino is working out for them. Huge risk. I say If we win in Europe or manage to qualify again he stays. If we drop right off in the league and are out of Europe in the next round then he goes. The bigger problem is that I don't trust Sullivan in appointing his successor."

[joyo]

"Always the doom and gloom merchants...ohhh shit we'll be 9th,last August before season KO the vast majority was predicting we was going down,now in 7th its all the same negative bollocks 8 months after we win a trophy for the first time 43years.....get a fucking life or try enjoy what is left of you're pathetic one FFS!"

[BillyJenningsBoots]

"Dont worry Alf by this time tomorrow night we will be sitting in 9th place, that will surely start the Sullivan jitters..."

[Sir Alf]

"I see some journo or presenter has finally cottoned onto something most of the numpties ( me ) have been saying for some while. Moyes is an amateur. Picking favourites, disregarding form or suitability to a position. Sort of thing when I played ( Victorian age ) that a Sunday league manager might do but you're more serious / usually better level football on a Saturday, the managers would try to be a bit more objective. Or at least that was my experience even 30 years ago. He stayed at Everton keeping them near or in the top 8 a lot of the time with limited resources in an era where the financial gap to the rich clubs was far less. Then he gets a couple of glamour type jobs and fails dismally. But the longevity he had due to the lack of expectation at Everton ( the owner was grateful for top half finishes on his limited budget) and the fact that he and Woy ( although time is short I think in his current role ) are the last vestige of a bygone era or link back to the beginning of the Premiership and hence all those media pundits and ex players talking for a living. That's why they all pay reverence to him. He's the last of that era of managers that make all the decisions and are like a dictator. One method that will keep you in the Premiership but the same basic approach over the 30 years. It has its place and he was exactly what we needed to steady the ship and get us out of the relegation conversation ( although last season we were back in it for a while ). The conference win was ultimately a bitter sweet moment in the sense it has somehow made him, in the eyes of the media, a serial winner and elite manager? He has no track record of improving players or developing young players or improving a team from one level to the next, Not many managers have but its what we need. He aint that man. BUt as many say, Sullivan wants a quiet life, the odd decent cup run, out of relegation struggles and hence fan unrest. It may depend on Sullys need for European football for his ego? Mid 70s Sullivan might think its his last chance to oversee Euro qualifications, the next level he promised? Who knows. But if Moyes is renewed, Steidten should be advised to jump ship. I cannot believe Steidten thinks this is the man for a new era at West Ham? It will hopefully come down to Euro qualification,. and if we fail surely Moyes goes because the measure of success we are told by everyone is that he qualified for Europe 3 times and we should be grateful for that? If he fails to qualify then by the same measure he has failed this season ? Hopefully Steidten or Sullivan or someone would have the clarity of thought to know he aint the future? Yes its a risk to bring in someone else but thats what Steidten is for? Or is DOF title just a title and he is really just head of recruitment? Sullivan still pulling the strings, deciding football related decision? I hope not but would not be surprised if Sullivan is still doing his Dr Evil impression. I hope we qualify for Europe, its made the last 3 seasons a lot more exciting even when the football has been awful and its some compensation. But if we exit the Europa and are in mid table by mid March, he has to go! No need for any resolution of contract discussions until then please !!"