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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

Have we ever offered a manager a 6 month contract to start?
Just surprised he didn’t reject it out of hand when first mentioned
More Sullivan dithering because he doesn’t know whether he is the right man. 
18 months wouldn’t be unreasonable 
If it is Everton also chasing am sure they are offering more than 2 seasons (ie Winter & Spring)

Fauxstralian wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 11:08 Personally think all manager contracts should be a rolling 12 months so you aren’t looking at multi year amounts of compensation 
Think many clubs do cap the payoff rather than make it the balance of the contract
You can always say if you are below half way for a certain period that you can be sacked with say a years money
When Pardew got an 8 year contract at Newcastle am sure he didn’t get the balance of those 8 years

 

Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 11:32 Anyone know when Potter's twenty four hours to think started, or will the little midget bastard string that out too?

Anyone know when Potter's twenty four hours to think started, or will the little midget bastard string that out too?

This 'wait and think' bollocks is the drip telling Everton to come and get him. 

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 11:20 Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

LJC wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 11:19 Another rumour (I know, I know) is that Potter has turned us down

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 11:20 Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

 

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:34

Pub Bigot" wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:25 Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?



 

I think at this point we can say that Kretinsky is surfing the club and awaiting a big buyout so that he can cash in on his investment.

If he was going to takeover in full, he would probably have done it by now. Instead, he's about to spend several billion on Royal Mail's parent company. I can't see him being too interested in now purchasing the rest of West Ham for an inflated fee. Not for a while yet.

Of course Potter has gone away to think about it: he's only been offered six months' work. He's gone off to find out if another club will offer him a longer contract.

I won't hold that against him: he's being sensible. Which is something I'd like our managers to be!

The problem is not Potter asking for more time. It's the reason. We should be offering him at least 18 months IF we think he's our man - or go for somebody else (heaven forbid they may be under contract).

But, more than that, none of this should be playing out in public. It's typical of West Ham that it is. It has made me feel a tiny bit sorry for Lopetegui - who is not a man who generally inspires sympathy.

Another rumour (I know, I know) is that Potter has turned us down

Personally think all manager contracts should be a rolling 12 months so you aren’t looking at multi year amounts of compensation 
Think many clubs do cap the payoff rather than make it the balance of the contract
You can always say if you are below half way for a certain period that you can be sacked with say a years money
When Pardew got an 8 year contract at Newcastle am sure he didn’t get the balance of those 8 years

The longer it drags on, the more time Sulli doesn’t have to spend in the transfer market. 

Potter has seemingly been in the frame for weeks so has had plenty of time to decide whether he wants the job
As below can only think he has also been approached by Everton so is playing one off against the other.
If he jumps the other way good riddance but means Sullivan has created an intolerable situation for the dead duck Lopetegui
Think there was a similar situation with Pellegrini where he knew he was going & phoned in his work for the last period
Usual shambles isn’t it?

Surely it's getting into constructive dismissal territory? He could easily quit and still get compensated, maybe even more than he was due?
You cant let stories hang in the air and do nothing as a club in terms of an official statement to confirm or deny. Ridiculous behaviour from the club.

The way I see it is, unless you think JLo is going to relegate you it makes no sense giving someone a 6 month contract because it means you don't believe they're the right person either.
So might as well stay with him and line up someone you actually believe in.

Unless they have been arguing with each other (which might be the real reason), I dont really understand it.
 

I completely get Potter wanting a bit of time to think about it. If he had been offered two and a half years, or even one and a half, he'd be straight in there. Offering him six months is an insult, or is it, given that he's been out of work for two years? It's a difficult position to be put into. For me the obvious solution is to make Noble caretaker manager for the rest of the season. He knows the club and the players inside out, he has leadership abilities and I reckon he would have the respect of the players.

zico wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:55 I'm staggered clubs still promise long contracts to managers as it always ends up with massive compensation if they get rid, but even a good first season doesn't guarantee continued success.  Didn't the club offer Glenn Roeder a short term contract then after a good first year upped it to three of four years and it went all pear shaped?  Six months though sounds shabby.  You have to give anyone coming in a summer transfer window at least.  

I'm staggered clubs still promise long contracts to managers as it always ends up with massive compensation if they get rid, but even a good first season doesn't guarantee continued success.  Didn't the club offer Glenn Roeder a short term contract then after a good first year upped it to three of four years and it went all pear shaped?  Six months though sounds shabby.  You have to give anyone coming in a summer transfer window at least.  

Fwiw, if Lop is taking training today then this is likely to drag on imo. Potter allegedly 'needing a day to think about it' don't sound right to me. I don't think it really works like that in football ''cheers fella, will let you know tomorrow yea''

He must still desperately want to be a course co-director for the certificate in Football Psychology, Emotional Intelligence and Leadership at the Professional Footballers' Association (PFA) Business School.
Or summink.

greenie1 wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:47 Talksport saying Potter has been offered the job, but he has gone away to think about it.

What a shambles. I can't see Potter being the answer.

Talksport saying Potter has been offered the job, but he has gone away to think about it.

What a shambles. I can't see Potter being the answer.

southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:34

Pub Bigot" wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:25 Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?



 

I think at this point we can say that Kretinsky is surfing the club and awaiting a big buyout so that he can cash in on his investment.

If he was going to takeover in full, he would probably have done it by now. Instead, he's about to spend several billion on Royal Mail's parent company. I can't see him being too interested in now purchasing the rest of West Ham for an inflated fee. Not for a while yet.

Pub Bigot" wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 10:25 Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?


 

Typically embarrassing fuck up by the club, which shows the board for the market stall trader types they are. If you're Daniel Kretinsky, how are you letting the midget drag your name through the mud with his amateur hour approach. 

As for Graham Potter, I'm sure he is a good choice for manager, but he's walking into a circus and will be a scapegoated eventually. Or will he see that as Martin O'Neil did and walk away?

 

claypole wrote: ↑07 Jan 2025, 09:48 Whats all the 6 month contract bollocks about? If he isnt the right man in 6 months he isnt the right man now.

The better run clubs have a list of potential managers/coaches to appoint if needed.

This circus is 2 bob