Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Manuel]

"You're a sad, bitter man aren't you Side. I can only imagine what you must look like in real life. I don't know why you bother trying to be a cyber bully as you're not very good at it, even after doing it for 20 years on here, and I'm the sad one? Now off you do and have the last word as usual, I'm off out to to see some ladyboys."

[Side of Ham]

Ah look at Manuel trying to play the 'I'm mature' card...... hahahaha! The main reason you won't be talking about football is you do next to fuck all in your sweat shop of a place to live and this makes you a log on/log off internet 'fan'.....no fault but your own.....and the fact you could only discuss it with ladyboys......

[fraser]

Sir Alf Match Officials... Referee: Graham Scott Assistant Referees: Timothy Wood & Craig Taylor Fourth Official: Robert Madley VAR: Thomas Bramall Assistant VAR: Simon Bennett Support VAR: David Coote

[Manuel]

"Side - You mean you chat shit elsewhere too. Poor sods :-) Oh and since I'm a grown up I don't talk much about football when I'm outside, and I highly doubt you do either, if you ever leave your room that is."

[Sir Alf]

"Bowen was actually trying to retain the ball, stretched or lurched ( jumping almost ) to get ahead of the Bristol player who was about to intercept it and by getting in front then got kicked in his ankle and went down instantly. Because it wasn't a Premiership game and no VAR , Bristol did what teams at all levels did yen playing higher placed opposition, knock ""òem about a bit and the ref did nothing much about it as VAR would not check him and perhaps he's grown used to VAR making those calls? Anyway there were a few fouls by Bristol I would have been proud of on a Sat or Sunday in the Essex leagues :-) But one thing that cannot be disputed is Moyes high risk strategy of relying on a subset of players ( 14 ) and rendering the other 10 as unusable. It's come back to bite and looks capable of undoing all the work to date. By mid Feb when players are hopefully back we can see where we are? 6th in the league in the 2 cups? I think most fans money will be n something less than that. Moyes s. It totally to blame but he is definitely a factor in his management of the squad and inability to keep his ""outsiders""ù motivated. Cornet must be feeling great seeing the AFCON hosted in his own country and him not making the squad. That assist in the Europa leading to no minutes 5 or 6 weeks ago must have helped him ? ( sarcasm attack )"

[Side of Ham]

"Me wasted on here? 'Here' is all you've got Manuel for your West Ham opinion......when you are in this country football is discussed a lot amongst friends on a daily basis, so this is just a place to fuck about on...... :-) :-)"

[Manuel]

"Side - Yea, that will be it. You're definitely wasted on here :-)"

[Coffee]

"Side of Ham 12:18 Wed Jan 10 I someone is leaving out of their outlook, all they've got left is the look."

[Lee Trundle]

"Nick QQQ 12:09 Wed Jan 10 ""Assume Bowens injury was impact? Give it's ankle, not wear and tear so the argument doesn't really work for him"" It does if it wasn't an impact injury. Someone might correct me here, but I thought he went down without any contact from anyone."

[Side of Ham]

What the 'Moyes Out' pacifiers are leaving out of their outlook to squad rotation is that all the teams they mention let their players play their natural game and play them in their natural positions. Not one of these other players at other clubs has been asked to tone back their natural game control their urge to have the ball and are instead asked to play chase ball. This also is the bit that fucks us.....at the end of the season as concentration levels drop from being physically fucked playing chase ball. He (Moyes) has to 'convert' players to play what is a repetitive shape with little to no expanse and need for players to use their natural instincts but instead be robotic in their roles. It gets results when all of them cower to this shit for the mainstay of the season but it will be hit by fatigue both physically & mentally......even Soucek who gets to play his natural game gets affected near the end of a season. The only other player who got close to playing his natural game is Kudus and that is as long as he can juggle his defensive role to be priority over his attacking role to Moyes's liking. That could all soon go pear shaped.

[Nick QQQ]

"Assume Bowens injury was impact? Give it's ankle, not wear and tear so the argument doesn't really work for him. as for Paqueta, he shouldn't have started in the Cup, but Moyes would have been given the green light, so can't really blame him. The main problem as I see it, is Moyes doesn't ever rotate unless he has to, so those coming in (maybe Fornals aside who's played a few of late) are either not match fit or completely demotivated by not getting picked or both. What is clear is it's going to be a very tough spell. If we thought the football was bad when our best players were playing, we've seen nothing yet. We will have no pace in the side now so expect an even lower block and at best a few draws."

[fraser]

Three up against Wolves 70th minute odd and left them on.. Was one that was particularly poor.

[Manuel]

"Boots - Load of shit that, people would go ape shit if our best players came off on 60 mins with a game in the balance. You're basically saying you'd risk not winning a current game just so we are in better shape for the next one? Think about it, that's a complete nonsense."

[LeroysBoots]

"I wouldn't say it's a case of benching your best players at all, it's about managing their workloads December was a crazy month for games played How did Moyes manage their workloads?, badly Making substitutes at key times, not 85th minute etc Rolling people off after 60 mins, looking after their welfare Moyes has no fucking clue He wants to run the team with the same players week in week out, it's no fucking surprise that they are all crocked Moyes is culpable"

[Manuel]

"Obviously squad rotation is a big part of the modern game now, but for a club like us who don't have top players on the bench and who are punching above our weight I don't think we can afford to leave our best players on the bench as it would almost definitely impact the result, and let's not pretend if the likes of Bowen, Paq and Kudus were left out that we wouldn't moan, 'coz we would. Every game is a big game in modern day football, so I agree with what Sydney said that I don't see what games Moyes could have left our best players out? As I said, do the top sides sometimes bench their best players? If so, examples please."

[Sydney_Iron]

"""I can't believe I'm having to explain this, really."" whatever Lee! I think its just the latest excuse for a Moyes out justification, Howe has rotated a lot but he has had no choice, I see Declan has just about started every game at Arsenal, no one saying he's been flogged and can name multiple players at big clubs doing likewise, see Haaland is out, maybe Pep flogged him LOL From what i can see Moyes has used the same group of players as they have been available and its a simple as that, as said a few posts back whose to say the second-string won't step up, plenty have been first choice before and done ok, Fornals, Benny etc As a West Ham fan i will always be optimistic rather than just decide we are going into free fall. But each to there own opinion i suppose"

[Northern Sold]

Yeah I'm from the old way of thinking that you play your best team to hopefully get a result against the opposition you are playing... personally I would have FLOGGED Paq' even more as I would have not rested him for the LCQF... plenty up in arms on here on the day... including me... I want that Brazilian cսnt on the pitch every possible second we have got him... same with Kudus and the same with Bowen... and the same with all the rest of our top players... flog the cunts into the ground.... We ain't Man City... or Scouse... we cannot put out a 2nd XI that would give our first choice a decent run for their money... especially attacking wise

[Sir Alf]

You're most welcome Sold ;-) Soucek will be the rock in midfield we rely on for Jan. Gawd help us !!

[Northern Sold]

Well whadya know... Sir Alf mentioned Soucek.... well I never.... etc etc

[Sir Alf]

"I make you correct Trundle in comparison to other teams and just the number of different players used. 14 or 15 across 5 competitions with games twice a week, every week for 3 or 4 months. Moyes says he likes to work with a small squad. That was about 6 weeks ago he said that. It's finally caught up but Moyes has brushed over it to say injuries happen to all clubs this time of year. That's true but many if those teams have 10 more players to choose from or should I say will choose from 10 more players. I think those are the facts ? Correct me if wrong of course :-) Squad management and strength is not one of Moyes strengths in the modern era. Even the most ardent fan would probably agree in that ?"

[Manuel]

"I get Moyes is to blame for absolutely everything, but I can't point the finger for players apparently being flogged to death, yes players like Zouma and Antonio should be rested sometimes, but don't other clubs play players every week, doesn't Salah always start, Odegaard, Son, to name a few. I'm not blaming Moyes for Paqueta being injured, or Bowen."

[Lee Trundle]

"Sydney_Iron 11:09 Wed Jan 10 The whole first XI has been flogged to death. When you've played probably the most amount of games a club has played this season, and used the least amount of players, then that's flogging your players to death. I can't believe I'm having to explain this, really."

[Sir Alf]

"I suspect Moyes will play Fornals or Benrahma ahead of Cornet. Only a bad run of defeats might change that for Cornet to start games. Until then Cornet will get a few minutes in the FA cup if things go awry next week or when we are losing by 2 or more with15 mins to go he may get brought on. The obstinate Moyes is famous for not changing anything unless it gets desperate. He sees it as a strength possibly. Being resolute and sticking with your beliefs? It may also be the sign of someone who is deeply insecure and who ""cuts his nose to spite his face""ù as they say. He may have been against Cornet being brought in or has had a clash with him so will resist from giving him a chance until no other alternative? More recently playing Cornet would mean dropping Soucek which is a non starter."

[fraser]

FFP isn't an issue for us.

[Sydney_Iron]

"Really? So Paqueta has been flogged, has he? Thats why he warmed the bench at Anfield for most of the game, came off early against Arsenal when he felt something. Earlier in the season people were jumping up and down the Kudus wasn't starting on only coming on late, only been the last 8 or so he has started in the PL. That Liverpool game was a Sham, not sure Moyes chucked it intentionally but was as mad as other fans about it but im not sure where or how we could of rested our better players, it was important we got top spot in the Europa, some huge PL games, how and who could have been rotated? Squad depth is an issue for sure but again it seems FFP has an impact that the Moyes out brigade conveniently forget. It seems Moyes was damned if he did and damned if he didnt"