Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Sir Alf]

Pipeline wrong word probably as it perhaps suggests 7 or 8 are going to make it but even 2 coming thru is going to be something and we need a manager that knows how best to do that and possibly even get as many as 4 in the first team squad. And after the u21s is looking at the next generation. I don't see evidence Moyes is that man ?

[RM10]

"Watching the U18s and 21s is a pleasure they are doing so well, but I can't think of any club since Man Utd, that have a pipeline, realistically prob a max of 4 will make it out of the two squads."

[Sir Alf]

"The Wednesday night surrender was at best very poor judgement on his part but the question to be answered is if Moyes can progress us further, develop a squad that can handle the schedule a more successful club starts to get and if he can integrate the U21s and youth teams to get some sort of ""pipe line""ù going? Can he develop the playing style beyond the one dimensional approach he relies on and be able to have his teams handle the intense pressing that the best teams employ? Further still, can he implement the same allied to getting and keeping the ball better to have that in our armoury and not just sit deep, counter and set pieces. These requirements should then fit with the recruitment Steidten is overseeing and help attract and keep better players even. On top of all this is the chance that the football player will be better to watch and even when we lose we might even look like we had a right ""go""ù at it. No guarantee whoever comes in will be getting us much higher especially at first ( it takes time ) but if we are recruiting better we need a coach who tries to get the best out of every player. Imo Moyes does not qualify as that manager / coach on almost all the above."

[Meerkat]

"Marty , I've had a look at KUMB , plenty on there are highly critical . Looks like Wednesday night was a bridge too far for many . Bubbles Fortuna though is a special case . Must be on a retainer from Moyes ."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Takashi Miike 8:38 Fri Dec 22 Exactly. So many frozen out and sacrificed on the altar of his ego and shite football. Calling him out on it ""slagging off""ù is indeed very wide of the mark."

[Takashi Miike]

"*two tiered* he has no man management skills whatsoever, he's a pig. it's why I'm amazed we won that cup, because other squads of players would have downed tools long ago being asked to play this shi t brand of football.. it's why I want him gone so much because they're a great bunch of lads with that fucking grey, miserable, abysmal scottish anti football cloud over their heads"

[Takashi Miike]

"""That's what I mean about wanting to slag him off for anything."" it isn't for anything. he's created a two tired dressing room where half the squad are marginalised and only get used as a last resort, or when he doesn't give a fuck about the result (like wednesday night). he even said in the press conference that he rotated to have a look at players. the cսnt is with them every day in training, how can he not know them and what they can do? he even drove one to tears last season with his lack of minutes. he has far too big an opinion of himself, a career that's mostly been underwhelming yet because he was endorsed by ferguson thinks he's untouchable. how can anyone relate to someone that clearly resents the fans, and anyone that dares question him"

[goose]

20 league defeats isn't criticism for nothing. Nor is getting done for 5 in back to back away games. Squad management is part of the job and is reflected in the results. Winning a series of games against vastly inferior teams (fiorentina aside) doesn't negate that.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"No more years, no more years, David Moyes No more years, no more years I say No more years, no more years, David Moyes Playing football your dogshit way"

[Capitol Man]

"And again goose - it was mitigated by winning a cup. While the Moyes critics want to point out that he was bad in the league last year and dismiss the cup win, this week's criticism is about him prioritizing the league over. So cups weren't important last year and then this year it should have been a priority? That's what I mean about wanting to slag him off for anything."

[goose]

20 league defeats in a season is a premier league record worst for us.

[Capitol Man]

"In terms of stats, yes he's had Europe, but most of the other managers he's compared against had stints in the old second and first divisions to pad their stats, and 42 games in a lower division has far more impact that 10-12 games in Europe. I think he's also top of the prem stats too, but could be wrong there. We slag his tactics and substitutions off, but by historical west ham standards he's clearly doing something right. As for,Arteta, we can alll pick examples of where things seem to work to compare to, but it's a roll of the dice. How many managers did Villa go through before they got one who worked out - one who also failed at Arsenal. We all get a bit ""grass is greener""ù about things. I loved it when Pelligrini came in, and talked about tactics in terms of teams having to adjust to us, not the other way around - but it didn't work out so well after a while."

[Fauxstralian]

"If you ignore your traditional Champions league teams ... Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool , Arsenal ... the managers of PL teams that have impressed me are Emery Frank DeZerbi Postecoglou Missed a trick when Gerrard got sacked (Moyes could have gone at the same time) & they moved quickly for Unai Emery Reckon the bloke who has won 4 Europa leagues might have managed a Conference league trophy. Standing on his head"

[rumford]

"I agree mostly with what Moyes said about the big clubs as they consistently generate every season ,not talking owners wealth here, £100m+ more revenue than us.However,. having said that Villas revenue was less than ours last year ..Its is also unclear what proportion of the the clubs revenues are provided for transfers. Given that very few clubs make profit year on year suggest all clubs spend their entire revenue.Whilst you get the odd exception by and large money talks.Leicesters team was phenomenal and Southampton before them had a good side under Poch .Brighton have brought some great players through their system and as some of their fans will tell you they cant seem to retain them,why."

[BillyJenningsBoots]

"Capitol when you say without the emotion you do realise our relationship with the club is an emotional one... yours might not be but without that emotion we could simply stop supporting the club and go and support Arsenal... but we can't... People look at his stats and they are distorted by the good start he made in the league when he first returned and subsequently by the Euro results but if you look at his last 2 Premier League season his stats are amongst the worst at around 36% win percentage and no one can say the performances are great cos they aren't! Everyone cuts him slack cos he won us a trophy, but we were favourites to win it from the start and let's face it we nearly blew it and it took a bit of brilliance from Bowen... ask yourself had we lost that game would you still want to keep Moyes?"

[RichyP]

"Capitol Man 6:33 Fri Dec 22 Out of interest, what are your view on Mikel Arteta as a manager? When Arsenal appointed him he had zero managerial experience. You will no doubt argue that his 3 years working alongside Pep as a first team coach at Man City was a good education and you may have a point. However, being a good coach/number 2 doesn't always translate to being a good manager, there are numerous examples of where this hasn't worked out. Similarly there are plenty of examples where coaches have gon eon to be really good managers. Everyone has to cut their teeth somewhere. I really like what Michael Carrick is doing at Middlesbrough for example and i might be wrong but when he gets the chance i think he will be a really good PL manager. Point i'm making is that neither you nor I, nor seemingly a lot of PL clubs know if appointing an experienced or an inexperienced manager will be a success or not. But to write someone off because they haven't managed at first team level is arguably equally as daft as the person making the suggestion. For what it's worth, the manager i would like to see replace Moyes if/when he goes is Thomas Frank at Brentford...who incidentally hardly had bags of managerial experience above youth team level before Brentford brought him in"

[marty feldman]

The delusions on kumb by the Moyes lovers is a proper sight to behold. It's so tragic it's almost funny .

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Sorry CM - I can't agree that it is emotional to find it unacceptable. Specifically, how Moyes plays down our status as a club to distract attention from his glaring limitations as a top flight manager is just cunty."

[Percy Dalton]

Lopetegui Not for me too old at 57 I'd want a younger progressive coach that has top man management and doesn't call out the fans for his own discrepancies

[Capitol Man]

"daveyg 2:10 Fri Dec 22 Re: Moyes Out Of course you can't understand - your posts are all about emotion. You don't like Moyes and you are determined to pick at any detail and ignore the fact that he is by many measures the most successful manager we[ve ever had. You may not agree about how he gets there, but the results and stats do back his approach. Any rational person looking at this without the emotional side you're brining here can,see he's been successful by historic west ham standards. I agree he may not be the right man for us to push on, but to compare him to a youth team manager is stupid."

[Sir Alf]

Lopetegui Being suggested as a possible replacement ? Available now too if needs be. Don't know a lot about him except he did a decent job at Wolves to steady the ship. Any insights / thoughts lads?

[Takashi Miike]

"imagine your first thought when watching your team is whether that toxic cսnt sullivan approves of the approach, and how much it's earned him. sport is supposed to be a relief from the day to day shit, not another serving of it."

[RichyP]

"Yorkammer 2:16 Fri Dec 22 Well that's just one of the reasons why we need new owners. Lets not bother with any cup competition ever again if its all about league prize money we should play the kids in the first round and be done with it. Man City must be fucking idiots winning the league cup 5 times out of the last 8 seasons, what was Pep thinking of? Man City fans must be deluded travelling all the way down to London for a game that is only worth £100k, i can't believe their players even celebrated each time they won it, how fucking embarrassing. Football is about winning trophies, every single player talks about wanting to win trophies. The good players want to join the good clubs as it gives them a better chance of winning trophies. No one boasts about coming 9th in the league vs coming 10th because the club earned an extra £2million Winning a trophy also gets you onto Europe, which earns the club money strengths the brand and increases the marketing and sponsorship revenues. It allows us to attract better players which should (if managed correctly) improve our performances and results on the pitch. Which in turn increases future prize money earnings, strengthens the brand and and increases the marketing and sponsorship revenues. Chucking a quarter final in any cup because you might earn an extra £2million from league positions vs earning £100k for winning that cup is about as short sited and myopic in thinking as you can get."

[Hammer and Pickle]

*If my main defence of my poor performance

[Hammer and Pickle]

"Of my main argument for or performance was that criticism is unwarranted because my client has never been one of the top companies, I wouldn't have any work. And if I consistently selected sub-standard tools when my board had made others available to me, and the staff clearly think I'm an old prick, then get a job as a taxi driver or something. Am I taking this too personally? Well show me where I'm wrong when I say Moyes is seriously taking the piss now."