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Nurse Ratched" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 13:19

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 13:05 If you want a fun read have a look at trump's 2025 roadmap and filter by not completed 

My favourites so far

"Weaken regulations on baby formula"

"Repeal the federal mandate to label genetically engineered food."

"Lessen regulations that protect marine life"

.""End congressional review of arms transfers to foreign countries."

"Reverse Biden-era decisions to retire parts of nuclear arsenal, reject Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty."

"Rescind guidance that requires hospitals to perform an abortion to save a woman's life"

"Let companies stop paying overtime and allow states to opt out of federal overtime and minimum wage laws"

"Lessen child labor regulations to allow "teenage workers" to work "inherently dangerous jobs"."

"Reinstate Trump's Migratory Bird Treaty Act (companies will not be punished for killing migratory birds)."

Reads like a Bond villain s wishlist he's going after the BIRDS Nurse!

https://www.project2025.observer/?sort=status-asc

He's all over the place on birds. Recently he was pushing for the removal of wind turbines, partly on the grounds that they murder birds. But I would guess you are a supporter of wind turbines, you runny egg yolk freak of nature.

Nurse Ratched" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 13:19

He's all over the place on birds. Recently he was pushing for the removal of wind turbines, partly on the grounds that they murder birds. But I would guess you are a supporter of wind turbines, you runny egg yolk freak of nature.

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:41

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:35 For someone earlier preaching respect in a debate you're very quick to sling veiled insults 

I am sorry but actually they were not veiled at all.  

I did call you a sucker if you believe everything  Trump says.  Sometimes harsh language is needed I guess.

I see you and others as the inverse of true MAGA.  You believe everything Trump says, you just think it's all bad while they think it's all good. 

But again sorry, I will agree to dial it back and discuss specifics of what both Zelensky and Trump/Vance said, like I originally asked.

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 13:05 If you want a fun read have a look at trump's 2025 roadmap and filter by not completed 

My favourites so far

"Weaken regulations on baby formula"

"Repeal the federal mandate to label genetically engineered food."

"Lessen regulations that protect marine life"

.""End congressional review of arms transfers to foreign countries."

"Reverse Biden-era decisions to retire parts of nuclear arsenal, reject Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty."

"Rescind guidance that requires hospitals to perform an abortion to save a woman's life"

"Let companies stop paying overtime and allow states to opt out of federal overtime and minimum wage laws"

"Lessen child labor regulations to allow "teenage workers" to work "inherently dangerous jobs"."

"Reinstate Trump's Migratory Bird Treaty Act (companies will not be punished for killing migratory birds)."

Reads like a Bond villain s wishlist he's going after the BIRDS Nurse!

https://www.project2025.observer/?sort=status-asc

Mr Anon" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 13:05 If you want a fun read have a look at trump's 2025 roadmap and filter by not completed 

My favourites so far

"Weaken regulations on baby formula"

"Repeal the federal mandate to label genetically engineered food."

"Lessen regulations that protect marine life"

.""End congressional review of arms transfers to foreign countries."

"Reverse Biden-era decisions to retire parts of nuclear arsenal, reject Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty."

"Rescind guidance that requires hospitals to perform an abortion to save a woman's life"

"Let companies stop paying overtime and allow states to opt out of federal overtime and minimum wage laws"

"Lessen child labor regulations to allow "teenage workers" to work "inherently dangerous jobs"."

"Reinstate Trump's Migratory Bird Treaty Act (companies will not be punished for killing migratory birds)."

Reads like a Bond villain s wishlist he's going after the BIRDS Nurse!

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:35 For someone earlier preaching respect in a debate you're very quick to sling veiled insults 

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:19

 

"This comes from some knowledge of the world and politics,"

You really do yourself no favours with comments like this. Most of us believe it or not have some knowledge of the world and politics, you're not special in that regard.

Do you think that Zelensky should sign that deal with no US security guarantee, in good faith Putin will keep his word, yes or no?

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:01

The plan most likely to get him to sign away half his country's mineral wealth and let Putin have whatever he wants in return, toys were thrown out the pram when they were incredulous Zelensky wouldn't sign without protection as he "didn't hold any cards"

This is a man that wants to ethnically cleanse Palestine and turn into into a holiday resort, is he stupid enough to believe they would just up and leave willingly? you'd have to be a very special level if guillable to believe he'd do Ukrainian natives any favours at this point 

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 12:09

Manuel wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 07:57

Of course. There isn't a person alive who doesn't think Trump is a cսnt, that includes himself and all his supporters, etc. It's as black and white as anything there has ever been. Funny old game.

 

Unfortunately that is not true in the slightest. 
There are dyed-in-the-wool MAGA out there that love him as a person and believe he can do not wrong, of course.

Also unfortunately as well,  there are the inverse, those that believe he can do no right.

This also created unrealistic adulation of his opposition, which has it's own problems. Why would Harris be a serious candidate, when do you cover up Biden's decline as long as was done?

Look at Hammer I Am's post down the thread about Zelensky comparing him to Trump.
He thinks he's got " A little glimpse into the soul of each of them." because of PR stunts by both.
  
Now, rational adults know that in the real world, being a good person does not alway equal good results, and, realistically, the inverse is true.

I learned very early in my political awareness - first Bill Clinton era then actually working with politicians - that you can't have heroes of character in this business.  There are some trying to be good people but you ultimately have to vote and support people who you thing will to do the best thing for your town, council etc. up to the world, if you choose to look that far.


My comments on here come from the believe that the best, not perfect, action in this moment is the one Trump is pushing.  This comes from some knowledge of the world and politics, generally, but also from talking with an Ukrainian semi-refugee (she came for school before the last invasion but could not go back or see her parents for a long while) who is now married to my nephew. 

Manuel wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 07:57

Of course. There isn't a person alive who doesn't think Trump is a cսnt, that includes himself and all his supporters, etc. It's as black and white as anything there has ever been. Funny old game.

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 11:40

dealcanvey wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 07:21 What a shit show from start to finish this has been.

Trump knew what he was doing from the start. Making stupid comments in front of the press about Zelensky not wearing a suit as soon as he opened the car door. He knew he wouldn’t be wearing one. He never has done before. All rehearsed.

the toys really started being thrown out the pram once Trump knew he wasn’t going to get that mineral deal signed without some assurances on security. So, they squeeze Zelensky in front of the world media for everyone to see. JD Vance the cocksucking puppet added in for good measure.

Putin just has to sit back and let it all unfold. None of his hand has been revealed. He already knows that Ukraine won’t be joining NATO nor will the US be offering security (for now) because Trump can’t keep his mouth shut. Zelensky has even less to offer at the table when it comes to trying to secure the peace he wants. A peace with security is a must because Putin simply cannot be trusted. 

im not surprised Putin and Trump get on with each other. Both a pair of narcissistic cunts.

Interesting read to say the least.
 
It was all planned but also as part of that plan they started throwing toys out of the pram?

What was specific moment the toy throwing began for you?

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:39

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:20

I did! In the last paragraph, you know the bit you cut out of the quote on your earlier post. 

I still found those very general.

The suit thing could mean a number of different exchanges What specifically? In general, you can go 2 sides on the that. 

No I wouldn't myself poke fun at it like Trump did. That's not helpful.

But Zelensky is not a general, never been in the military, is in fact conscripting  young people in the military (and keeping certain classes of people in country like my nephew's in-laws).  So is the non-suit in a diplomatic situation is maybe not a great look? 

He wants the folk hero look and it works with you, obviously but if people's lives are on the line maybe make an exception.


There was a whole lot of hating Putin going on. And as Trump said "Understandable".  But again specifics, mate. 

But generally, do you accept that if Trump needs to make a lasting cease fire with 2 parties, he needs to downplay that? Just practical and if you are the leader of country that needs peace, you hold that hatred in for  an hour or so?

For me a switch was flicked when Zelensky said "J.D."  - not Mr Vice President or even Mr. Vance "...what kind of diplomacy?" Again a little thing like suit the (from either side).  

But the disrespect was not one-sided I guess. 

We can go on.. 

But you had a side before this, and you found what you wanted.  

dealcanvey wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 07:21 What a shit show from start to finish this has been.

Trump knew what he was doing from the start. Making stupid comments in front of the press about Zelensky not wearing a suit as soon as he opened the car door. He knew he wouldn’t be wearing one. He never has done before. All rehearsed.

the toys really started being thrown out the pram once Trump knew he wasn’t going to get that mineral deal signed without some assurances on security. So, they squeeze Zelensky in front of the world media for everyone to see. JD Vance the cocksucking puppet added in for good measure.

Putin just has to sit back and let it all unfold. None of his hand has been revealed. He already knows that Ukraine won’t be joining NATO nor will the US be offering security (for now) because Trump can’t keep his mouth shut. Zelensky has even less to offer at the table when it comes to trying to secure the peace he wants. A peace with security is a must because Putin simply cannot be trusted. 

im not surprised Putin and Trump get on with each other. Both a pair of narcissistic cunts.

dealcanvey wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 07:21
im not surprised Putin and Trump get on with each other. Both a pair of narcissistic cunts.

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:39

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:20

I did! In the last paragraph, you know the bit you cut out of the quote on your earlier post. 

I still found those very general.

The suit thing could mean a number of different exchanges What specifically? In general, you can go 2 sides on the that. 

No I wouldn't myself poke fun at it like Trump did. That's not helpful.

But Zelensky is not a general, never been in the military, is in fact conscripting  young people in the military (and keeping certain classes of people in country like my nephew's in-laws).  So is the non-suit in a diplomatic situation is maybe not a great look? 

He wants the folk hero look and it works with you, obviously but if people's lives are on the line maybe make an exception.


There was a whole lot of hating Putin going on. And as Trump said "Understandable".  But again specifics, mate. 

But generally, do you accept that if Trump needs to make a lasting cease fire with 2 parties, he needs to downplay that? Just practical and if you are the leader of country that needs peace, you hold that hatred in for  an hour or so?

For me a switch was flicked when Zelensky said "J.D."  - not Mr Vice President or even Mr. Vance "...what kind of diplomacy?" Again a little thing like suit the (from either side).  

But the disrespect was not one-sided I guess. 

We can go on.. 

But you had a side before this, and you found what you wanted.  

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 00:45

Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 00:27

Quote.."Trump  is part of what is threatening my country with economic disaster" .. unquote 

No you fanny.
..it's who's been running your country through it's most self destructive period in your history that is to blame...

I certainly will partially agree with the last bit, which is why I said "part". 

But as I was telling that Hammer there, I am not a devotee of any one side and I call 'em  like I sees 'em.  More than one thing can lose you a football game. (To mix some sport terms) 

Trump is doing what he thinks is best for his country  and his legacy but certainly in the current situation that is not the best thing for mine.  

If you were Canadian I would tell you to that worrying about Trump is pretty pointless, he going to try what he tries, and focus  on  our lack of functional government and the annointment of our new Prime Minister . But I assume you are not. 

Monsieur merde de cheval" wrote: ↑02 Mar 2025, 00:27

Quote.."Trump  is part of what is threatening my country with economic disaster" .. unquote 

No you fanny.
..it's who's been running your country through it's most self destructive period in your history that is to blame...

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:04

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 21:54

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 21:49

 

Then hold an election. Or even say you would set down to make peace. Don't be so naive.


Zelensky's got you, hook line and sink

Just substitute Trump for Zelensky in your last paragraph and you've just explained yourself perfectly.

Which people has a lost specifically then? Let's see these examples, 

Mate,
Trump  is part of what is threatening my country with economic disaster, I don't like him at all.  I am just a realist that isn't locked into one side and goes with the evidence of what actually happened.

People shifting - Lindsey Graham, but more generally look up the polling places like CNN did on Zelensky post meeting.


I'm sorry a general point like, - Trump and Vance did bad things - and - Zelensky didn't deserve it, is the opposite of specifics.
Tell me specifically what was said or done. And we can discuss it.

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 22:04

Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 21:54

ironsofcanada wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 21:49

 

Then hold an election. Or even say you would set down to make peace. Don't be so naive.


Zelensky's got you, hook line and sink

Just substitute Trump for Zelensky in your last paragraph and you've just explained yourself perfectly.

Which people has a lost specifically then? Let's see these examples, 

Mate,
Trump  is part of what is threatening my country with economic disaster, I don't like him at all.  I am just a realist that isn't locked into one side and goes with the evidence of what actually happened.

People shifting - Lindsey Graham, but more generally look up the polling places like CNN did on Zelensky post meeting.


I'm sorry a general point like, - Trump and Vance did bad things - and - Zelensky didn't deserve it, is the opposite of specifics.
Tell me specifically what was said or done. And we can discuss it.

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Hammer I am" wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 19:01

Gank wrote: ↑01 Mar 2025, 17:52 Is it still unfashionable to support Russia on here? Ukraine isn't even a real country and Zelensky isnt an elected or qualified President. Putin is well within his rights to protect his own people in the Ukraine region. 

protect them from what though? didn't seem like they were in any mortal danger before he put them in the middle of a warzone. And what makes a president qualified? Reagan wasn't bad for an actor!