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As with all other players, if he doesn't want to come here the fuck him. He's frankly a mug as he'll rot on the bench/reserves and will fuck up his England chances. As opposed to a career reset he'll get under moyesball. Bigger issue is that the season has started, there's 2 weeks left of the window and we've got a fuck ton of cash and don't have a clue how to spend it.

Bottom line is, the window opened 9 weeks ago and CH was one of the positions we clearly needed to strengthen so it shouldn't have taken as long as it has to reach the conclusion we have reached with Maguire before moving onto alternative CH targets. We are not in control of the situation between Man U and Maguire but we are in control of our own transfer strategy and the decisions which are made within that strategy. The concern is our owners and current manager both have track records of chasing lost causes for far too long. It's fine to be ambitious and go for these targets as long as you when to pull the plug if its not happening and we as a club don't seem to know how to do that

Saving 30 mil on a bloke who has been at fault for over 20 goals in 2 seasons for Man Utd and England sounds like a massive bullet dodged to me. Worth 10 mil max as basically he's been awful since getting fingered in jail in Greece.

We play Chelsea this weekend - a big game for us as fans and as a club. Yet already I'm hearing some fans write off the game altogether because "we still need three or four players" - which is probably true. But the season is well and truly underway. We're playing big rivals - yet even now we have no idea what our likely starting line-up is, because Moyes "may" crowbar a newbie into the squad before the match deadline. Our approach is still two bob or Steptoe and Son, despite a shiny trophy in the cabinet. And that's the continued legacy of Sullivan.

Quite apart from the fact that most fans didn't see the logic in signing an old carthorse (if he's not good enough for MU why is he good enough for us?) this debacle perfectly highlights the utter incompetence of our 'recruitment' process. Moyes clearly understand nothing, Sullivan has learned nothing and so far Steidten promises nothing. It's not more football experts this club needs - its a recruitment expert from the recruitment industry.

We're still very Harry Redknapp 'scattergun' with transfers - all that's changed is the fees and wages have soared since. Every now and then we hit on nugget. Often we do poor due diligence, leave it too late, rush the negotiations - and end up with unsuitable players trying to push square pegs into round holes (Scamacca, Haller, Anderson etc). Would love to know what 'really' happened behind the scenes this summer, with Sullivan and Moyes being joined by Steidten around a table that appears to have been loaded with indecisive nonsense.

Yeah, the issues certainly seemed to be primarily between Maguire and Man Utd. West Ham appear to have got fed up waiting for that situation to be resolved. If those circumstances are correct, then we can't really blame Moyes or Sullivan. What we can blame the club for, once again under Sullivan, however, is still being in a vulnerable position with regard to transfers after the season has started. We rarely, if ever, do our business early and any great deal of certainty - so the incoming players rarely, if ever, get close to a full pre-season with us. It's why we too often look like a disjointed bunch of strangers. That and Moyes' disjointed bunch of 'tactics'. I always feel we're just winging it in the transfer market. Especially so when we have a bigger pot of money to spend.

The issue, as such, is between McGuire and ManU. So in time honoured fashion let’s blame Sullivan for it.

I'm not talking about our processes in having all of the parts agreed ... the fee, his wages & his payoff with Man U ... or finalised. I am talking about people CRYING about being lied to because it was a 'done deal' It was never described as a done deal

That’s precisely what I’m talking about, bampot. Why let it get that far without being assured about how the finances are proposed to be fixed at their end. If you ever bought a house, you’d know that the vendor has to sign a legal document disclosing all sorts of stuff that may affect the sale. That’s called due diligence. We don’t appear to bother, we just let weeks drag on, apparently not knowing any of the circumstances.

Not sure why everyone is getting worked up about Al that was announced was that agreement had been reached with Man U on the fee Was always going to be difficult on the personal terms basis as he was obviously going to want Man U to pay out compensation over his REDUCED CIRCUMSTANCES if he came to us Will only rest easy when one of the alternatives are signed and we have definitely dodged the Maguire bullet

You can’t, but you could think that the money side of him leaving would have been something West Ham should have asked about up front It ended up being a deal breaker. How can you announce a deal if you don’t even know if the player has accepted all of the financial arrangements?

You can’t blame the fella for wanting his dough they stuck a contract in front of him and he’d be losing 3.5mill a year When he was playing well and captaining them to second in the league if he’d wanted to go to Madrid for instance they would of saved the contract at him it’s a two way thing you can’t just fuck the contract off when you think it suits you Personally I think he would of been a great addition he’s much better on the ball than Zouma and a much better defender than Aguerd who was fucking awful on Saturday by the way run ragged by Dominic fucking solanki

You can’t blame the fella for wanting his dough they stuck a contract in front of him and he’d be losing 3.5mill a year When he was playing well and captaining them to second in the league if he’d wanted to go to Madrid for instance they would of saved the contract at him it’s a two way thing you can’t just fuck the contract off when you think it suits you Personally I think he would of been a great addition he’s much better on the ball than Zouma and a much better defender than Aguerd who was fucking awful on Saturday by the way run ragged by Dominic fucking solanki

Why do we still try and deal with this cսnt club? It’s clear both the club and it’s players are cunts…..the club likes to hang out it’s deals with us and the players pine for it like an abandoned puppy….

I don’t blame Maguire for wanting to be compensated from Man Utd for loss of earnings/reduced wage if he were to join us. Doesn’t matter who you are or what you earn, to take a reported 40 percent drop in wages is a difficult thing to do. However I’m kind of relieved that it looks like it’s fallen through. Although I think Maguire might have done ok for us, a 30 million transfer fee and 120k a week wages for a 30 year old doesn’t sit right with me. Especially as he’s not exactly desperate to move.

If Maguire feels its worth sacrificing the remainder of his career over a "payoff" then that's fine by me. You've got to question his ambition on the face of it though. Maybe he thinks Man U will eventually capitulate. Good luck to him. Bullet dodged imo.

I'm not saying he shouldn't try to negotiate a settlement if they sell him against his wishes. I'm saying that at this point they don't *owe him* anything We can argue the toss as to whether he should be more concerned about his career and actually playing football and not being a target for the haters up there than he is about adding a few more millions to his multi-million fortune, but I'd wager that if it was Arsenal or Liverpool or Chelsea that had come in for him he'd have been out of the door like a fucking shot

He seems a pretty one dimensional character off the pitch & probably not that bright also becoming increasingly hapless on it Kind of a cross between Larry Lloyd and Bernard Bresslaw. I think we've dodged a bullet.

RoyalDocksGK 10:22 Wed Aug 16 This.

He's been stripped of his captaincy. Been treated like a cսnt really when you think a left back was playing ahead of him in most of last season. Been told he can leave if he wants. So when the club accept a bid for him, they want him out the door quickly they should then honor the contract they put Infront of him. It works two ways. If United wanted to sign a replacement they'd be paying a signing on fee to the incoming player. They therefore should pay the outgoing player what he's owed.

They don't owe him anything in wages. He was trying to negotiate a pay off to compensate for the loss of earnings as we wouldn't have been paying him 200 bags a week

Don't Man Man Utd owe him about £6m in wages? It's not about being greedy, it's being sensible. You'd have to be a bit of an idiot to chuck that down the drain.

Scott_d 9.47 exactly. Surely even West Ham cannot be that incompetent that they don’t learn from previous transfer windows. We’ve got stop Moyes from chasing out of favour Man Utd players like a love sick puppy.

Glad it's fallen through, the bloke would've earned about half a mill every month but he's pissing himself over a few bags, how greedy can you get ? Can't see how Southgate continues to pick him if he's happy to sit on the bench for his club? Meanwhile we can get someone younger who's only going to rise in value right lads? .....lads?