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"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

Here here Eerie I am watching the MNF game and Wolves stats under Gary O'Neil are unbelievable. I think our XG is very high thanks to Bowen. Saying that Fulham go and score :)

Here here Eerie I am watching the MNF game and Wolves stats under Gary O'Neil are unbelievable. I think our XG is very high thanks to Bowen. Saying that Fulham go and score :)

"""Few can do what Wenger, Guardiola etc did, and actually coach expansive attacking play, through choreographed movement and instinctive play"" The funny thing about that statement is that most of our players come from that style of football! Fornals, Kudus, Alvarez, Paqueta, Emerson etc.. All essentially brought up playing on the floor, pass and move football. This is the natural way to play football. It's managers like Moyes, Bruce etc. that insist on playing percentage, defensive football because their brain is sort of stuck in the 80's. I think results are important when you're just trying to survive. But when you've spent enough money to be comfortable in this league you need to entertain and try to do more than just edge a result. Otherwise, what's the point? Why watch a whole 90 minutes of crap? You might as well not go to the game and just watch 2 minutes of your goals and get some of your life back!"

Eerie indecent 8.26 Your last sentence l totally agree with and hopefully you stick to it

"Jaan, yep and it's not impossible but these are rare instances rather than the norm. You seem to be missing my point. I said it would hard to finish in the top 6 with the group of players we have. That's not to say it's impossible and maybe with a better manager we might but I still maintain that the standard of our squad is about 8th to 9th which roughly matches where we are on the net spend list and where we currently sit in the league so in that respect I don't think we are overachieving or underachieving so far this season. You obviously think differently and feel we should be higher and that's fine. Btw, Leicester winning the league was the most remarkable and freakish achievement in English footballing history and will never likely happen again."

"I think we should be doing better in the league, and I think we shouldn't be one of the worst (if not THE worst) teams to watch in the league. I don't think, after spending nearly £500mil on transfers, we should still be desperately reliant on a carthorse like Antonio being on form to play well as a team. I think we should not be conceding shit goals every fucking game with £100mil worth of centre backs in the squad. I think that we should have produced at least 1 good attacking 90 minute performance this season. In fact, I can't think of 1 just good 90 minute performance this season (I don't consider the 2 shithouse wins against Chelsea & Brighton where our keeper was MOTM 10/10 in both games, good performances) I don't expect to be at home against one of the worst teams I've ever seen in the Prem, Sheffield Utd, and be bored fucking shitless, where most people in the stands around me are having general chit chats because the football is SO FUCKING BORING. I don't expect us to play against another of the worst team I've ever seen in the Prem, Burnley, and be comprehensively outclassed for 80 minutes, and rely on the alamo in the last 10 minutes. I don't expect to have one of the best central midfielders the club is every likely to have, and shove him out on the left wing to accommodate the Czech Frankenstein lumbering about, complete less than 10 passes in most games. I could go on, but thankfully for most readers I won't."

"Villa are currently pushing for top four, as did we but for Moyes ignorance to replacing Haller over a year after he let him go. Leicester won the PL too without an array of seemingly top 6 profile players."

Yep and Eddie Howe has done a fantastic job. Newcastle have been the exception rather than the norm though. No other club had managed to break into that top 4 in recent years aside from the usual suspects. A bit like trying to win a domestic cup. It's dominated by 5 clubs over the past couple of decades aside from the odd occasion.

Not having an Ollie Watkins is a very good point swindon. Why not though? I heard we were offered Watkins but took his teammate Benrahma instead. Moyes keeps avoiding signing a striker and still hasn't replaced Haller or Scamacca. why not? What were Cornet and Hugill signed for? Moyes has a way of managing that won't allow for signing a good striker in the same way Sullivan wouldn't sign a manager without lots of PL experience. They are both very limited at what they do. They both need replacing but you can't get rid of the largest shareholder...

Newcastle managed top four with a side including players like Pope Burn Schaar Lascelles Targett Longstaff Murphy Williock Wood. In fact they have very few players you could say are truly top six.

Stubbo. First off thanks for at least saying what you think rather than trying to avoid the question or Work around it. I agree with you that to move forward we need fresh ideas and as I have said countless times I have no issue with people not liking the style of football. It is ok to admit (like you have done) he has done at least a reasonable job while still wanting him out. That's what a lot of people seem to struggle to admit to. I disagree a bit with you saying our first XI is equal to most top sides baring the top 3. To suggest Emerson & Ward Prowse are top 6 players is a bit OTT while Alvarez is still unproven Imo. Only 3 players in our squad are top 6 players imo so finishing in the top 6 with this squad while not impossible will be hard. Of course if we had Ollie Watkins or someone of that ilk then that could have made a difference between finishing 9th to finishing 6th so Moyes has to take responsibility for that.

"BRANDED 6:56 Mon Nov 27 Winning the Europa League would be a huge improvement over winning the Conference League. But swindon has just dashed whatever hopes I may had by posting on the Backa Topola thread that we could have 4 other English (top 6) teams in the competition, which means we're fucked on the away legs if we pull any of those out of the hat further on!"

"So, If you ignore last seasons results, and ignore the style of football and focus purely on results this season without any context. Then Moyes is doing ok and no one can complain? Absolute shill."

"Jaan, I think as far as style of play goes I think it's acceptable for fans to want Moyes out now. People pay a lot of money to watch us and deserved to be entertained. As far as our position in the table and based on results alone I don't think being 9th would warrant being sack. As I said previously we are the 8th biggest net spenders in the Premiership over the past 5 years and looking at the standard at our squad compared to others I would say 8th or 9th place would be about right."

""" I doubt we'll see an improvement in Europe,"" It would be pretty fucking hard o do much better"

"I'll play the game Swindon. With this group of players, I expect us to be at least on par with Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and with a very good shout of finishing above them, and arguably Man Utd and Spurs. I'd argue only three teams in the league have comprehensively stronger first XIs...you can always argue player vs player, but our first XI is the equal of most of the top sides. Kudus, Bowen, Paqueta, Alvarez, Emerson, Ward Prowse...none of these would be out of place in a side outside of Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal (and in the case of Paqueta, Bowen, Kudus or Ward Prowse would be in a good shout of ousting the incumbents). What's happened at Villa, Newcastle and Spurs shows the difference between good managers and weak ones. Gerrard, Bruce, and an uninterested Conte, replaced by Emery, Howe, and Postecoglu. Moyes is in the Bruce/Gerrard end of the management scale. He's done a good job for us, but if we want to aim higher that means upgrading all areas of the club....the players get better, the recruitment gets better, and the guy that puts the cones out and picks the team gets better. It's like making the case that we shouldn't look to get a better player through the door than Antonio or Soucek because they've done well for us. Ridiculous. To get better you upgrade...and Moyes is overdue an upgrade,"

"""With this group of players where would you expect us to finish in the Premiership?"" I'm fairly content with improvement from the season before. We might get there in the league, I doubt we'll see an improvement in Europe, and I haven't seen any improvement in the way we play (if anything, there's a decent argument it's getting worse)."

"LT, so you use an example of one game where as the example of Liverpool playing at Luton the other week anything can happen. Try and use an example of a whole season. With this group of players where would you expect us to finish in the Premiership?"

"How low down the table do we need to be before you'd think it acceptable to want Moyes out, Swindon?"

"Ok, this season, swindon. I was hooping we'd have enough to beat Brentford, for the moneys we've spent."

"LT, Yep we had a bad league season last year no doubt although for most of our fans (Emphasis on most) the season had a happy ending with that cup win. I am not talking about last season though or the previous 2 where we finished in the top 7. I am talking about where we currently are this season. So will ask the question again. Take away the style of football for a minute, do you think we should be doing better results wise and be higher up in the table and if so then where should we be with this group of players?"

"If it was a one off event you could let it go. But we clearly as a side don't know how to carve out chances. Now we can either be content with our goals all coming from corners or last minute desperation stakes, or a moment of magic from someone like Paqueta, or we can acknowledge the players lack off the ball movement and the coaching that create attacking situations more regularly and diversely, and look to change the coaching setup. But this isn't new to Moyes. Bilic was the same. So was Pellegrini. And frankly it was the same under Redknapp. Lots of these managers coach a structure, sprinkle a couple of flair players in to 'make things happen' and are essentially waiting for either a moment of brilliance or a set piece. Few can do what Wenger, Guardiola etc did, and actually coach expansive attacking play, through choreographed movement and instinctive play. But to go beyond what we do now, that's the kind of coach we need. Otherwise we'll either get more flair players (not to be sniffed at) and hope that collectively they find more moments of magic, or continued pragmatism."

"""òOver the past 5 years we are 8th in the Premier league for Net Spend. This season we are currently 9th.' We were in the bottom 3 later into last season, and Moyes supporters were making excuses then. It seems unless we get relegated Moyes is doing his job for some. Personally I don't think he can maintain getting European football. We lost our best player and captain because Moyes can't take us beyond where we are. We really need to improve on him to progress the club further."

"I know you'll quickly allude to the cup win, but we finished 14th last season, swindon. I think, for the money we spent, we should have done better."

Liverpool came within a minute of losing to Luton the other week so relying on last minute goals is not an unusual thing and again you are going back to the style of play. You said with the money spent the results should be better so where do you think we should be in terms of Premier league position or are you content with the actual results and it's just the performances?