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NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 10 Mar 2016, 09:51
by crystal falace
"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 22:17
by Takashi Miike
SB, Travis was really good in college and very consistent. It's a no brainer giving him a chance as starter, it's only the injury that made him go that late in the draft
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 21:28
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 21:14
Sanchez was the worst I've seen in a Redskins shirt, and we've had some bad quarterbacks
He was so shite, TM, wasn't he?! We massively overspent on him: traded up the board to take him as the #5 pick. His decision-making was inept.
The one thing I'll say in his defence is that he was comfortable not throwing much - and never kicked up a fuss. But basically, he was a very expensive hand-off guy: we had two good running backs who pounded out the yards under Rex Ryan. So our QB was rarely our first option. We still went to back-to-back Championship games, because of Rex's defense and particularly Revis Island. I'd take that performance now!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 21:19
by southbankbornnbred
Without getting ahead of ourselves - long way to go this season - but I'm not entirely sure the Jets should draft a QB with an early pick next year. People are, probably rightly, assuming that Rodgers won't come back under a new GM and HC. So many are assuming we'll be in the market for a QB in the draft.
But we've got this kid Jordan Travis on our roster, who has missed this year recovering fully from his broken leg. We drafted him injured in the 5th round this year, but he would otherwise have been a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He's had a year on the sidelines, experiencing the NFL, learning playbooks, adding upper body muscle etc - albeit he's not played.
If I was a new incoming HC, I'd be tempted to look at Travis next year, and fix the parts of the team that are incredibly poor and letting down Rodgers - like the defensive and o-lines. The Jets need to learn how to block and run the football before they could even begin to make good use of a QB anyway. But you watch: it's Gotham, and they will want their QB.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 21:14
by Takashi Miike
Sanchez was the worst I've seen in a Redskins shirt, and we've had some bad quarterbacks
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 21:11
by southbankbornnbred
RBshorty wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 20:17
South. The issue is the game is now centred around the QB in ever aspect. On and off the field. Just look at the league standings. If you’re QB is injured or not Pro ready when you leave college. Your team is constantly on the back foot. The moment you’re QB goes down. That’s it. Season over.
Whoever the Giants draft. Won’t start on day 1. At worse they might get pulled in by the final third of next season.? Part of the reason we are here was because the organisation needed Jones on the field quickly. I think Mara might have learned for that experience.
RB - I hear you. Although I'm not so sure your new pick will get much time. If the Giants suck for the rest of the season, you'll likely have a top-five pick. Which means you'll be under big pressure to start any new QB almost immediately. Jones started ahead of Eli in the third game of his rookie season game. Because why would you start DeVito (unless he rips it up for the rest of this season), or somebody like him? Franchises are under so much pressure with QBs now, as you say.
The Jets should not have started Darnold straight away. Many of their current problems (not all - that's on the owners!) can be traced back to that decision. We drafted Darnold at #3 (lost out on Mayfield), but he was a year younger than most college QBs in that draft. So he was very young for the NFL. We put him straight in the starting line-up from week one - and it was hard for him from day one. That kid has some talent, as he's finally showing at Minnesota, but he never got time to learn how to be an NFL player at the Jets. We did the same with Sanchez and Wilson etc. It just seems to be what (bad) teams do these days.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:56
by Takashi Miike
no, I think he hangs in there now. it'll be interesting if kliff kingsbury is approached, heard a couple of rumours of dallas. I'd stay well away from them and stay put for now, but if big money's offered he may jump
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:53
by RBshorty
Both Daboll and Schoen went in knowing they had a shit hand to play with. And was going to require the best part of a decade to even get back on a level playing field. They both should be safe for the next two seasons. Unless Mara goes the full Jerry.?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:41
by Takashi Miike
I think the decision this week shows they're tanking, the weird thing about doing it is some coaches are guaranteed to lose their jobs in the process (Pierce in vegas, for one). I'm not sure Daboll is under that pressure, but it's difficult to balance throwing games and maintaining a good locker room spirit
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:29
by RBshorty
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 20:21
You know the media will want you to draft Deion's son, I think Ward's less of a gamble but you need to give him another receiver. Same with young Jayden, he's done great considering the lack of top weapons other than Terry
Well it’s Ward or Sanders, Miike. It’s now a race to bottom. Because if they don’t get either of the top two spots in the draft. They are going to have to mortgage the next few years. To get them.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:21
by Takashi Miike
You know the media will want you to draft Deion's son, I think Ward's less of a gamble but you need to give him another receiver. Same with young Jayden, he's done great considering the lack of top weapons other than Terry
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:17
by RBshorty
South. The issue is the game is now centred around the QB in ever aspect. On and off the field. Just look at the league standings. If you’re QB is injured or not Pro ready when you leave college. Your team is constantly on the back foot. The moment you’re QB goes down. That’s it. Season over.
Whoever the Giants draft. Won’t start on day 1. At worse they might get pulled in by the final third of next season.? Part of the reason we are here was because the organisation needed Jones on the field quickly. I think Mara might have learned for that experience.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 20:08
by southbankbornnbred
Mind you, just read a reminder that Jones was from the 2019 draft. Those five years have flown by. For some reason, I had it in my head that he was 2020 or 2021.
Five years is plenty of time to establish yourself, in fairness.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:55
by southbankbornnbred
RBshorty wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 19:41
Fair play to Jones Coming out yesterday and taking responsibility. Believe you me. It wasn’t solely on you.! Wish the guy well. Wherever he lands. And now it’s a race to the bottom. And Cam Ward come April.
GO G MEN.!
Yeah, off the pitch, Jones sounds quite mature considering he's been woeful this season. He knows he's played badly and he also knows that it's not just on him (hence, he's hoping to get picked up as a free agent). On the pitch, his head is scrambled at the moment.
He needs to do what Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold etc did after initial failures: go away, work harder on his game as a back-up for a bit (no pressure) and use his experience to get better. He could still have a half-decent NFL career.
I keep coming back to the same observation, though: the modern NFL's fixation with throwing first-round QBs straight into their teams not just as a starter, but also as somebody to carry the entire franchise, does most QBs no favours. It's still better to sit on the sidelines, learn the playbook, get used to being a professional, get your body and mind in shape, and then go hard. Jones never had that luxury, like so many 1st round fails. There's too much $$$ involved now, so teams always want their high-profile picks on the pitch.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:41
by RBshorty
Fair play to Jones Coming out yesterday and taking responsibility. Believe you me. It wasn’t solely on you.! Wish the guy well. Wherever he lands. And now it’s a race to the bottom. And Cam Ward come April.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:28
by Nutsin
Niners are so banged up, even Purdy now has a shoulder injury, Bosa is hurt too as is Trent Williams.
Injuries this year are unbelievable.
Better off tanking for draft picks and focus on getting healthy for next year.
Insane how many injuries we have had so far.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 19:22
by southbankbornnbred
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 18:45
Daniel Jones released, will Dak be next?
Whatever chemicals the Yanks are putting in their water in New York, it's really screwing up their American football teams, I can tell you!
Jets having easily one of the most chaotic seasons of any franchise ever - and the Giants are, a little more quietly, really not that far behind.
You could combine the "best" of both teams in one side and they'd still struggle to win five games. Shambles, the pair of them!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 18:45
by Takashi Miike
Daniel Jones released, will Dak be next?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 17:09
by RBshorty
Cracking game last night. Under the lights. In the snow. And The Browns drop further down the draft board.
GO G MEN.!
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 14:14
by Far Cough UKunt
I pulled this from Wiki about the old Vikings coach, Bud Grant:
Grant required outdoor practice during the winter to get players used to the cold weather and did not allow heaters on the sidelines during games. As per the latter practice it goes that Grant posited that with the heaters present on the sidelines the players would gather around the source of the warmth but if the heaters were not present the players would be paying attention to the game.
That would be at the old Met stadium, not to be confused with the Metrodome which was an indoor stadium.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 14:05
by southbankbornnbred
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 13:57
southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 13:42
Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
YES, the old black and blue division was like that.
Some mad games at Soldier Field, Green Bay, the old outdoor Vikings and Lions stadiums (pre-80s?). Absolute carnage in the snow. Love it.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 13:57
by Far Cough UKunt
southbankbornnbred wrote: ↑22 Nov 2024, 13:42
Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
YES, the old black and blue division was like that.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 22 Nov 2024, 13:42
by southbankbornnbred
Steelers/Browns in that blizzard looked wild. Love that kind of game!
Screw all those fairy-weathered Californians and Floridians.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 23:38
by southbankbornnbred
Yeah, it’s remarkable how - for such a physical and intense sport - NFL players and coaches generally accept the refs’ decisions/flags etc.
It’s not perfect by any means - some clashes do take place. And you do get some very dubious calls by officials (often on pass interference). But generally these 300lb lunatics respect the decisions.
Proper football, which is still the better sport, and it’s prima donnas, could learn a lot from the NFL.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 17:48
by Far Cough UKunt
Gaffer58 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2024, 17:42
Just a general question, when a yellow flag is throw for a foul,infringement etc, has the offending players/ coaches ever acted like a 3 year old kids, as in football, because to me it seems everybody just accepts the refs decision and gets on with it.
Generally it's accepted but Jerry Glanville the old Houston Oilers coach, used to get into the official's face at times. There's probably others as well, Mike Ditka?
Re: NFL (since 2016)
Posted: 21 Nov 2024, 17:42
by Gaffer58
Just a general question, when a yellow flag is throw for a foul,infringement etc, has the offending players/ coaches ever acted like a 3 year old kids, as in football, because to me it seems everybody just accepts the refs decision and gets on with it.
