Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[El Scorchio]

"Actually think there is very little he could have done to change the second half"

Completely disagree with this.  We invited pressure due to us not having a outlet up top. Ghillurme and Marshall while they may be inexperienced, will run and press from the front which takes the pressure of the back 4. 

Soucek up top was mental, he can't run, can't play with his back to goal and is probably the worst technical player in the squad so his hold up play is non existent. He can win a header yes, but then there is no one running off him as we were so deep and one of the wingers was Walker-Peters. 

Blaming the wind is also ridiculous for me, I was watching it on the stream and Tony Gale called it right..... he said West Ham need to push up, get the back 4 higher up the pitch as any ball over the top would just blow through to the keeper or a goal kick. On the one occasion we pushed up, they pumped it long and it did exactly that. 

If he had to take Wilson off so early (for me he could of done 70 mins) then he should have gone Earthy or Marshall wide left,  Bowen through the middle and play Ghillurme wide right in his natural position. 

Or play Magassa through the middle again for legs and he is good on the ball to allow us to keep it, and play Fernandes wide left. 

We were fucked because he took off legs in Ghillurme and added on someone who can't control or keep the ball in Soucek and then stuck a RB on at left wing.  Had he done things differently we should of won the game, the notion that we would face so many shots and under the cosh regardless of what Nuno done for me is nonsense. 

With two goals in his last two games there which were both victories with late goals, I'd argue going on the evidence prior to Saturday, putting Soucek up front for Wilson was not mental.

[XKhammer]

I reckon I would have done a better job managing the team in the recent match against Leeds.

In fact, I'd have had the majority of posters here picking the team instead of the one he put out.

 

So why ain't you managing a football team say in the top 7 divisions of England lol
You couldn’t pick your nose properly 

[Rossal]

"Actually think there is very little he could have done to change the second half"

Completely disagree with this.  We invited pressure due to us not having a outlet up top. Ghillurme and Marshall while they may be inexperienced, will run and press from the front which takes the pressure of the back 4. 

Soucek up top was mental, he can't run, can't play with his back to goal and is probably the worst technical player in the squad so his hold up play is non existent. He can win a header yes, but then there is no one running off him as we were so deep and one of the wingers was Walker-Peters. 

Blaming the wind is also ridiculous for me, I was watching it on the stream and Tony Gale called it right..... he said West Ham need to push up, get the back 4 higher up the pitch as any ball over the top would just blow through to the keeper or a goal kick. On the one occasion we pushed up, they pumped it long and it did exactly that. 

If he had to take Wilson off so early (for me he could of done 70 mins) then he should have gone Earthy or Marshall wide left,  Bowen through the middle and play Ghillurme wide right in his natural position. 

Or play Magassa through the middle again for legs and he is good on the ball to allow us to keep it, and play Fernandes wide left. 

We were fucked because he took off legs in Ghillurme and added on someone who can't control or keep the ball in Soucek and then stuck a RB on at left wing.  Had he done things differently we should of won the game, the notion that we would face so many shots and under the cosh regardless of what Nuno done for me is nonsense. 

[zico]

Totally agree with you. Actually think there is very little he could have done to change the second half. Our last 4 managers have all suffered from this curse of dropping too deep when in front. The players just do it instinctively at times, and with the weather, and Bournemouth's pressing style....IMO it was going to happen regardless.

It's like playing football at school on a slope...you better score when playing down hill, as you know you'll concede when playing up hill.  It wasn't a gentle breeze on Saturday.

Nuno has steadied the ship, and aside the Brentford/Leeds games when he clearly got it wrong, has done a decent job with what he has so far IMO. 

I said this Saturday, comparing it to Sunday football when you knew playing with the wind and downhill in the first half you would need several goals.  If you went in at half time only one or two up you knew it wasn't enough, and the two wasn't enough with the wind.  What was most dissapointing was that even against the wind Bournemouth had the lion share of posession.  That said second half I just didn't think we had the centre backs to defend so deep.  Todibo has improved since he switched sides but neither he or Kilman are Ginge and Alvin, comfortable nutting it away all the time.  I still think a few yards further up the pitch may have helped but that was going to get more difficult when he took Fernandes off as he is at least one who can hold on to the ball or pick a pass.  I think he took Wilson off too early although to be fair there weren't any whippets on the bench to try and chase.  Would sticking two up top have helped to at least try and get out, who knows.  The fact remains Bournemouth did manage to play offensively first half even against the wind, even if they didn't score.  Will be interesting to see who if anyone he brings in come January.

[stubbo-admin]

Marshall isn't ready. Not sure if he will be in the future, but he's not ready at the moment. If Fullkrug is chucking a hissy fit until he gets his way and leaves then we've Wilson followed by no-one.

Nuno is in a very difficult position thanks to the recruitment or lack of. Behind Wilson all he can do is shove Bowen or Soucek up there. Neither of which are good options seen as neither are centre forwards and moving Bowen there creates a hole on the right side. 

Nuno has made a few mistakes and had a few brainfarts but some of the comments regarding him are getting a bit ridiculous. We are on an upward trajectory and we all knew it was 17th by any means necessary this season. Beggars can't be choosers at the moment.

I don't think anyone has said anything ridiculous about him (well, in general and bar a few stupid comments). But, you said it - He has made mistakes and had a few brain-farts. That's what most people have said. In other words "What the fuck was he doing?".

Yes, we are improved in all areas. Yes, we are on an upward trajectory. Yes, 7 from last 9 is great. But we are still allowed to point out such blatant foolishness. 

It's mainly the ridiculous 'Crackhead', 'I've got no faith in him', 'any of us would do better' stuff and just referencing his spurs time while ignoring Forest and Wolves which is just a bit silly. Completely agree that fair criticism is justified and is a very valid talking point. (Irving and Soucek, inverted full backs) I can't really see the point in repeatedly digging him out over his handling of strikers and subs because there are just no good options once Wilson comes off (Cannot believe I'm typing that) and while the tactics against Bournemouth didn't work out and were negative, they had worked out in the two previous matches so it wasn't an out of the blue insane move with no evidence to support it. In the end they did net a point (Yes, three would have been much better) where we didn't expect one, in addition to the six from the prior two games. We're in a far better state under him than we were under Potter and the football will likely be unattractive, but points any which way has to be the priority over style at the moment. Nuno does what Nuno does and we have a fighting chance of staying up under him whereas we were sinking without trace before and I don't think we could have realistically gotten a better manager at the time. It's Sullivan who put us in the mess where this type of football is the only way with the squad we have in the situation we are in. I'm just hoping we can get 2-3 decent bodies in over the January window to shore up defence and attack. Then we might actually have a few options.

 

 

Totally agree with you. Actually think there is very little he could have done to change the second half. Our last 4 managers have all suffered from this curse of dropping too deep when in front. The players just do it instinctively at times, and with the weather, and Bournemouth's pressing style....IMO it was going to happen regardless.

It's like playing football at school on a slope...you better score when playing down hill, as you know you'll concede when playing up hill.  It wasn't a gentle breeze on Saturday.

Nuno has steadied the ship, and aside the Brentford/Leeds games when he clearly got it wrong, has done a decent job with what he has so far IMO. 

[Russ of the BML]

Marshall isn't ready. Not sure if he will be in the future, but he's not ready at the moment. If Fullkrug is chucking a hissy fit until he gets his way and leaves then we've Wilson followed by no-one.

Nuno is in a very difficult position thanks to the recruitment or lack of. Behind Wilson all he can do is shove Bowen or Soucek up there. Neither of which are good options seen as neither are centre forwards and moving Bowen there creates a hole on the right side. 

Nuno has made a few mistakes and had a few brainfarts but some of the comments regarding him are getting a bit ridiculous. We are on an upward trajectory and we all knew it was 17th by any means necessary this season. Beggars can't be choosers at the moment.

I don't think anyone has said anything ridiculous about him (well, in general and bar a few stupid comments). But, you said it - He has made mistakes and had a few brain-farts. That's what most people have said. In other words "What the fuck was he doing?".

Yes, we are improved in all areas. Yes, we are on an upward trajectory. Yes, 7 from last 9 is great. But we are still allowed to point out such blatant foolishness. 

It's mainly the ridiculous 'Crackhead', 'I've got no faith in him', 'any of us would do better' stuff and just referencing his spurs time while ignoring Forest and Wolves which is just a bit silly. Completely agree that fair criticism is justified and is a very valid talking point. (Irving and Soucek, inverted full backs) I can't really see the point in repeatedly digging him out over his handling of strikers and subs because there are just no good options once Wilson comes off (Cannot believe I'm typing that) and while the tactics against Bournemouth didn't work out and were negative, they had worked out in the two previous matches so it wasn't an out of the blue insane move with no evidence to support it. In the end they did net a point (Yes, three would have been much better) where we didn't expect one, in addition to the six from the prior two games. We're in a far better state under him than we were under Potter and the football will likely be unattractive, but points any which way has to be the priority over style at the moment. Nuno does what Nuno does and we have a fighting chance of staying up under him whereas we were sinking without trace before and I don't think we could have realistically gotten a better manager at the time. It's Sullivan who put us in the mess where this type of football is the only way with the squad we have in the situation we are in. I'm just hoping we can get 2-3 decent bodies in over the January window to shore up defence and attack. Then we might actually have a few options.

That's fair. I agree. 

[Lee Trundle]

I reckon I would have done a better job managing the team in the recent match against Leeds.

In fact, I'd have had the majority of posters here picking the team instead of the one he put out.

[El Scorchio]

Marshall isn't ready. Not sure if he will be in the future, but he's not ready at the moment. If Fullkrug is chucking a hissy fit until he gets his way and leaves then we've Wilson followed by no-one.

Nuno is in a very difficult position thanks to the recruitment or lack of. Behind Wilson all he can do is shove Bowen or Soucek up there. Neither of which are good options seen as neither are centre forwards and moving Bowen there creates a hole on the right side. 

Nuno has made a few mistakes and had a few brainfarts but some of the comments regarding him are getting a bit ridiculous. We are on an upward trajectory and we all knew it was 17th by any means necessary this season. Beggars can't be choosers at the moment.

I don't think anyone has said anything ridiculous about him (well, in general and bar a few stupid comments). But, you said it - He has made mistakes and had a few brain-farts. That's what most people have said. In other words "What the fuck was he doing?".

Yes, we are improved in all areas. Yes, we are on an upward trajectory. Yes, 7 from last 9 is great. But we are still allowed to point out such blatant foolishness. 

It's mainly the ridiculous 'Crackhead', 'I've got no faith in him', 'any of us would do better' stuff and just referencing his spurs time while ignoring Forest and Wolves which is just a bit silly. Completely agree that fair criticism is justified and is a very valid talking point. (Irving and Soucek, inverted full backs) I can't really see the point in repeatedly digging him out over his handling of strikers and subs because there are just no good options once Wilson comes off (Cannot believe I'm typing that) and while the tactics against Bournemouth didn't work out and were negative, they had worked out in the two previous matches so it wasn't an out of the blue insane move with no evidence to support it. In the end they did net a point (Yes, three would have been much better) where we didn't expect one, in addition to the six from the prior two games. We're in a far better state under him than we were under Potter and the football will likely be unattractive, but points any which way has to be the priority over style at the moment. Nuno does what Nuno does and we have a fighting chance of staying up under him whereas we were sinking without trace before and I don't think we could have realistically gotten a better manager at the time. It's Sullivan who put us in the mess where this type of football is the only way with the squad we have in the situation we are in. I'm just hoping we can get 2-3 decent bodies in over the January window to shore up defence and attack. Then we might actually have a few options.

[Russ of the BML]

Marshall isn't ready. Not sure if he will be in the future, but he's not ready at the moment. If Fullkrug is chucking a hissy fit until he gets his way and leaves then we've Wilson followed by no-one.

Nuno is in a very difficult position thanks to the recruitment or lack of. Behind Wilson all he can do is shove Bowen or Soucek up there. Neither of which are good options seen as neither are centre forwards and moving Bowen there creates a hole on the right side. 

Nuno has made a few mistakes and had a few brainfarts but some of the comments regarding him are getting a bit ridiculous. We are on an upward trajectory and we all knew it was 17th by any means necessary this season. Beggars can't be choosers at the moment.

I don't think anyone has said anything ridiculous about him (well, in general and bar a few stupid comments). But, you said it - He has made mistakes and had a few brain-farts. That's what most people have said. In other words "What the fuck was he doing?".

Yes, we are improved in all areas. Yes, we are on an upward trajectory. Yes, 7 from last 9 is great. But we are still allowed to point out such blatant foolishness. 

[El Scorchio]

Marshall isn't ready. Not sure if he will be in the future, but he's not ready at the moment. If Fullkrug is chucking a hissy fit until he gets his way and leaves then we've Wilson followed by no-one.

Nuno is in a very difficult position thanks to the recruitment or lack of. Behind Wilson all he can do is shove Bowen or Soucek up there. Neither of which are good options seen as neither are centre forwards and moving Bowen there creates a hole on the right side. 

Nuno has made a few mistakes and had a few brainfarts but some of the comments regarding him are getting a bit ridiculous. We are on an upward trajectory and we all knew it was 17th by any means necessary this season. Beggars can't be choosers at the moment.

[Eerie Decent]

Marshall looked like he'd won a raffle to play when he came on against Brentford. Admittedly the team were shit, but he looked incredibly bad, I don't blame the manager for swerving him.

[Massive Attack]

Agree that Wilson has bee treated poorly by Crackhead but so has Marshall. Marshall has only come on when we are in a huge mess,Marshall should be on the bench getting minutes in every game especially when there have been no alternatives. We have had nothing to lose in most games and everything to gain,the same with other youth players. It just becomes Moyes tokenism with them sitting on their arse watching fuck up after fuck up. 
It was blatanlty obvious from the start of the season that Fulkrug wanted out,the very early international break set this in stone,he went away crying to his German team mates of what a shit show he was in. Came back,couldn't give a frankfurter shit and went on strike after that.Not much different to Isak. Maybe we can swap with Liverpool. Fulkrug did this last season,Potter and the board decided not to bring a stiker in and replace him. Still,Crackhead uses him. This will affect morale especially in the youth. Ditch Fulkrug to the Sauerkraut factory or Lidl,he shouldn't be traing with any of our teams,expect maybe the Women. At least JWP puts in a shift in training. Think he might be our new right back come December when AWB leaves for the AFCON

 

 

He seems to have harshly judged Marshall in my opinion off the back of 2 30 min sub run outs at Arsenal and then against Brentford. Not had much of a sniff since then out in the cold back in the Stiffs where he continues to do well. It would be nice to see him get at least an entire half or an hour in some of the games coming up over the Christmas period. I like to think he will afford him that chance at some point. 

[twoleftfeet]

Nuno is better than the previous 2 managers…

Talksa a good game…
 
But he’s not a Premier level manager…

Too many strange formations and poorly judged substitutions…

Long Relegation struggle ahead…with a leaky defence…and lack of goals to compensate…


 

Not a PL level manager despite having managed in the PL for 4 different clubs over a 5 year period.
You fucking div.

I rarely, if ever, agree with goose but on this I’m with him 100%. It’s as though people forget what he did at Wolves & Forest

[goose]

Nuno is better than the previous 2 managers…

Talksa a good game…
 
But he’s not a Premier level manager…

Too many strange formations and poorly judged substitutions…

Long Relegation struggle ahead…with a leaky defence…and lack of goals to compensate…

 

Not a PL level manager despite having managed in the PL for 4 different clubs over a 5 year period.
You fucking div.

[Massive Attack]

He gets all the credit for the previous 2 wins but that point on Saturday was definitely in spite of him and purely down to the heroics of Wilson and Areola. 24% possession of the ball inviting that ridiculous amount of pressure against Bournemouth (not Barcelona) not down to 10 men is a joke. 

What would be nice to see is him demanding us to be braver with the ball as the clinical firepower in front of goal is clearly available to him. Otherwise we will come unstuck against better opposition than Bournemouth and Burnley over the course of the next 5 fixtures if we sit back for so long, bar the occasional hopeful ball pumped long for Wilson to get on the end of.

[BoleynGone]

Agree that Wilson has bee treated poorly by Crackhead but so has Marshall. Marshall has only come on when we are in a huge mess,Marshall should be on the bench getting minutes in every game especially when there have been no alternatives. We have had nothing to lose in most games and everything to gain,the same with other youth players. It just becomes Moyes tokenism with them sitting on their arse watching fuck up after fuck up. 
It was blatanlty obvious from the start of the season that Fulkrug wanted out,the very early international break set this in stone,he went away crying to his German team mates of what a shit show he was in. Came back,couldn't give a frankfurter shit and went on strike after that.Not much different to Isak. Maybe we can swap with Liverpool. Fulkrug did this last season,Potter and the board decided not to bring a stiker in and replace him. Still,Crackhead uses him. This will affect morale especially in the youth. Ditch Fulkrug to the Sauerkraut factory or Lidl,he shouldn't be traing with any of our teams,expect maybe the Women. At least JWP puts in a shift in training. Think he might be our new right back come December when AWB leaves for the AFCON

[BoleynGone]

He may be an iota of an improvement on the previous 2, similar to Moyes. But he's still absolute shit.
Having,you would of thought watched how crap we were for the last 2 seasons it shouldn't take a genius to adapt a little and make us better. We still have a squad that should be winning more games. But when you set out to be so negative constantly it will always back fire. The only game where he has set us up to be more attacking WE FUCKING WELL WIN. Genius. Everton he just didn't want to lose in a bire draw, Arsenal damaged limitation with no shots. 2 week break to work out tactics,formation and line up. Fucks up all of this in 2 winnable games. Pressure from somewhere,was it fans or coaching staff to listen and change. A decent win against all being said a Newcastle team that can't win away from home. A very lucky win against a bottom 4 team which was close to be thrown away. Still on the bench are 8 or 9 defensive players,token youth player who won't get a minute even thought the game is over. Get's lucky with a player who is now quite limited. Reluctance to play certain players who us fans can quite easily see are better than one's he has used. Not playing a striker and then all of a sudden does play's him and he scores. Againt Bournemouth,who were without their 2 best and influential players we get lucky with the forgotten striker playing and scoring with 2 good stikes. Long ball hit and hope though. He then decides after going 2-0 up at the break to change this around. Another defensive player who is bang average comes on a does nothing of note. Then the stiker who he has forgotten about who has scored twice in 45 minutes is take off after 6 bloody minutes. Another defensive move with no plan of how to use him . Players get in each others way as they are the same type of player,hoof ball out, goalkeeper playing a blinder with reactionable saves that keeps us in the game. Then CRACKHEAD decides to bring on a player who has openly said he wants to leave 2 or 3 times. I watched the club training video in midweek,Fulkrug was strolling around,wrapped up like he had never experienced cold weather despite coming form a country that has to have a frigging winter break as pirches are unplayable in 2025,he showed then that he shouldn't and didn't want to play for us. CRACKHEAD decides differently. What happens ? we concede again,thus leaving 15 minutes off us being being battered in the rain. How we didn't concede another is unreal. 
The thing is most fans have seen this happening time and time again. The football is worse than under anyone. No new manager bounce. CRACKHEAD is shit. The evidence is there. He has seen the error's of previous managers and his own but takes to long to act. We will conced 5 against a Liverpool team that should be there for the taking but will respond as Liverpool will know Nuno will set up defensively again.They will get a rebound against West Ham like most teams do.under CRACKHEAD this won't change. He won't know what to do,fear instead being of being positive. 

[Texas Iron]

Nuno is better than the previous 2 managers…

Talksa a good game…
 
But he’s not a Premier level manager…

Too many strange formations and poorly judged substitutions…

Long Relegation struggle ahead…with a leaky defence…and lack of goals to compensate…
 

[Metroplex]

There's zero excuses for his baffling decisions and I've zero faith in the man as a consequence. I think he'll be a slight improvement but nothing more, and certainly not enough to appease those of us who wanted Moyes out for more attractive football. That said, it is still early days.

 

[northbankfrank]

odd one, nuno. as a person i really like him, i like what he says, he's earnest but not a pushover. none of that condescending moyes arrogance or limp potterisms, i even generally like the fight he's put into the team and his general ideas about the game. i don't even mind the batshit lineups he's come out with.

what i really, really don't like is his desire to completely abandon attempting to play a game of football when we get a lead.

 

 

What I struggle to get my head around is how much that happens on the pitch is down to the manager and how much is down to the mentality of the players.  Clearly subs are 100% down to the manager.  But is there a clear instruction (either in training or during the game) to park the bus and try to absorb pressure for 45 minutes when 2-0 up, or is that something the players conscientiously or sub-conscientiously take on themselves?

[factory seconds]

odd one, nuno. as a person i really like him, i like what he says, he's earnest but not a pushover. none of that condescending moyes arrogance or limp potterisms, i even generally like the fight he's put into the team and his general ideas about the game. i don't even mind the batshit lineups he's come out with.

what i really, really don't like is his desire to completely abandon attempting to play a game of football when we get a lead.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

Potter failed through an over insistence on a possession based game with a slow midfield that inevitably created less than under Lopetegui, who had a more balanced approach to possession.

We are now back to playing Moyes desperate low block to get us out of the shit.

 

 

Yeah, I spout the same “nonsense” at the beginning of all tenures because I give people a chance. Like I say, you’re desperate for a pat on the back for being right if it fails. 

I’m not convinced there would be a single manager you’d be happy with. You just love to moan and be a misery. 

7 points from 9 and because you can’t moan about losing, you moan about it not being entertaining enough. 

if you think Potter was trying to play good football, there is no hope. That is not good football in anybody’s eyes. It was absolutely shit to watch. It’s also why, not to labour the point, we didn’t win a home game since February!

 

 

I’m not looking for anything, I shared already formed opinions from watching them before.  I didn’t just slag them off, I stated exactly why I didn’t rate them.

I’ve also offered many names of alternative players and managers I would prefer.

I didn’t say Potters football was entertaining, I said he tried and failed to play entertaining football that was possession based like all of the best teams are capable of. 

I think yesterday was a red flag for me and with the next 5 or 6 games we cannot afford to tactically set up and play that way. 

I don’t need your validation and I’m not bothered whether you disagree with me either. 


 

[southbankbornnbred]

He's definitely an improvement on Potter but a crushed slug would also be an improvement on that gutless wonder.

This is basically my view.

Despite some bonkers decisions and periods of matches where I think we should be more positive, Nuno is a significant upgrade on Potter.

Happy to back him, but it’s also always fair to critique him.

He puts us in a position to get points more regularly then Cockpiss, mostly because our tempo is better, and he allows his sides to shoot when in the final third.

His sides just have a better structure about them. The players look and, seemingly, feel a bit less shackled with Nuno in charge.

And he hasn’t signed any of his own choices yet.

[Massive Attack]

He's definitely an improvement on Potter but a crushed slug would also be an improvement on that gutless wonder.

I do like how he genuinely believes in some of our Academy players. He's persevered with Potts and trusted him when that wanker Potter was too scared to.

[Ron Eff]

It’s a West Ham forum dedicated to sharing opinions. Not a single opinion posted on here makes any difference to how the manager performs.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football and failed. Nuno is like a poor man’s Moyes and wants to park the bus and shit house his way through games. That’s not entertaining for me for the most part and yesterday was abysmal.

I also argued my point on why I didn’t rate Lopetegui and Kilman before they joined, and you spouted the same nonsense about negativity then. Now suddenly it’s ok to have that opinion as you’re not cheerleading for them anymore.

Potter tried to play some entertaining football...

No he didn't 

Potter failed through an over insistence on a possession based game with a slow midfield that inevitably created less than under Lopetegui, who had a more balanced approach to possession.

We are now back to playing Moyes desperate low block to get us out of the shit.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I spout the same “nonsense” at the beginning of all tenures because I give people a chance. Like I say, you’re desperate for a pat on the back for being right if it fails. 

I’m not convinced there would be a single manager you’d be happy with. You just love to moan and be a misery. 

7 points from 9 and because you can’t moan about losing, you moan about it not being entertaining enough. 

if you think Potter was trying to play good football, there is no hope. That is not good football in anybody’s eyes. It was absolutely shit to watch. It’s also why, not to labour the point, we didn’t win a home game since February!