Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"We can have uncontrolled immigration provided that that those who really want that to be the case sponsor and put up a 100,000 pound personal bond for each immigrant they so sponsor. No ""We"", just them - and them alone covering the cost. The bond can be repaid from the taxes said immigrant subsequently pays into the exchequer - and forfeited in the event that immigrant turns to crime (whether subsequently deported or not). Sponsors are only allowed to be proven 3rd generation residents of the UK. The government can keep the existing legal channels open and waive all fees for those who use such entry points."

[Fo the Communist]

"A nice analogy Surf but a wrong one. Gray reported on May 25. Though clearly damaged, Johnson rode the fallout of that report - assisted by his chums in Fleet Street who, like the Mail, concluded 'Is that It? Johnson resigned on July 7 - six weeks or so after and ta a result of the Chris Pincher affair - a whole new scandal , albeit it one that confirmed his status as a habitually lying cսnt. If I may say so, you appear to be well prone to buying into this ERG-led revisionist rubbish."

[Crassus]

"Hermit Bang on the money It's interesting that the majority of these bleeding heart liberals work in the public sector or for specialist 'charities' However, managed immigration is essential, particularly with the demographic profile - my irritation is that we should be combining taking who we need, from where we choose in concert with having a viable programme of supporting genuine asylum seekers from where ever We have descended into being a sponge for various economic migrants who at best offer nothing but an infrastructure drain and at worse, are criminally and culturally disruptive - this must stop"

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Patterson and the other bloke were just the 'waffer thin mints' that caused Mr Creosote to explode.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"zeb The last minister I can recall that genuinely resigned on a point of principal was Robin Cook. Ministers tend to resign because they are jumping before they are pushed, or as in the Johnson's government's case, because they fear the wrath of the public will cost them their jobs in the long run. It was Partygate that resonated with the public. I doubt if any potential Toty voter gave much of a fuck about Patterson or Pincher - certainly not the Pincher thing - a bloke nobody had ever heard of."

[zebthecat]

Surf At the time the Sue Gray report was a bit of a damp squib largely because she stopped short of investigating anything once the Met got involved. It was number 10's handling of the Patterson and Pincher affairs that brought the government down because Johnson could no longer put together an administration due to all the ministerial resignations.

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The immigration debate is about how the UK controls it. Certainly there are people with a view to either let nobody or everyone in but I am sure that the majority of us want it first and foremost to be controlled.

[Fo the Communist]

Surf You can dance on pinheads as much as you like. You were wrong to say that she brought down the PM. It's plain for all to see. And of course I would most likely be crying suspected foul if the boot was on the other foot. That's what opposition does: its constitutional role.

[Hermit Road]

"The immigration debate is fundamentally a split between those who think there should be limits and those who think there shouldn’t be any limits at all. The ones who think there shouldn’t be any limits at all go out of their way to avoid saying that but by their words and actions show that it is what they want. They will say that of course there should be limits (but always refuse to specify what they are) They will say that certain types of criminals should be deported (but then when it comes to the specific individuals they’ll campaign for them to remain) They will label anyone who wants specific limits as ‘far-right’, ‘nazi’, ‘fascist’, ‘racist’, in the knowledge that it makes people less likely to speak out about wanting constraints. They use the courts as a tool not for justice, but to thwart justice in the knowledge that their teams of lawyers are incredibly well funded and the judges are people who share their worldview. And many more tactics besides."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"I see you have chosen to ignore 'alleged' and 'might'. Her committee wasn't the final straw, but it certainly contributed in a big way to the downfall of the PM. And thus the government. It was very close to bringing it down by itself. There is clear circumstantial evidence (not proof) that she was an agent of the opposition as shown by Starmer's repeated refusal to state when he offered her a job. Presumably he was dumb enough to offer the job in an email that he fears might surface. She may, in fact, be legally innocent of all charges, but that isn't the point under discussion. JRM and other Tories have every right to believe she wasn't independent and to say what they have. As I said before, if she was Tory and the PM was Labour leader, you'd be screaming foul. But, as always, it's one rule for the left and another rule for the right. And that's OK, because in your mind, you're all so damned nice and not one of those dreadful, thick, racist/xenophobic working class oiks who are the targets of 'populism' (i.e. everyone who doesn't vote your way)."

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Sue Gray did not bring down a government.

[ray winstone]

"'Sue Gray' is all they've got, bless."

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf - you said (note accurate use of double quotation marks: ""In any case, in this particular instance, of a person who purported to be independent but was in fact an agent of the opposition bringing about the downfall of the Prime Minister, it would be a term that might be accurate."" The FACT is that Sue Gray didn't bring down a Prime Minister. Nor is there any evidence she has not been impartial. There's less still that she was an agent of the opposition."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"FO Double or single inverted commas isn't the issue, although it was YOU who tried to make it so. Punctuation IS the issue - you used quotation marks around something JRM didn't say. Your subsequent squirming has also made it clear you knew you were doing that - first it was in error, then it was deliberate but wasn't actually a quote, then it was irrelevant. Finally, perhaps you can point out precisely where my description of Gray's alleged behaviour is factually wrong. Good luck with that."

[Fo the Communist]

"Good morning. Surf. Pick up any publication and you will see double quotation marks depict direct quotes. And, even allowing for your love of pedantry, punctuation is not really the issue here is it? Much as perhaps you'd like it to be. At least by omission if not admission, you apparently accept you posted a load of tosh in relation to Sue Gray's involvement in Johnson's downfall. A clear attempt to misrepresent the facts to suit an argument - something you normally rail against. ."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fo the Communist 12:36 Wed Mar 8 'Blimey Surf, you are up for a row aren't you? It was errant punctuation. I have said as much.' Erm... you also said that you used that phrase because it was what JRM meant. Actually, in the absence of your being a mind-reader, we have to assume he meant what he said. 'Had I wanted to attribute it directly to JRM I would have used double speech marks, as is the norm.' And that, my friend, is just about the biggest load of bollocks ever posted on here. In UK English single inverted quotation marks are commonly used. Double quotation marks are reserved for a quote within a quote. But it's a piss-poor excuse in any case. All these fibs and you a supporter of the nice party... so that makes it OK."

[Fo the Communist]

"Blimey Surf, you are up for a row aren't you? It was errant punctuation. I have said as much. Had I wanted to attribute it directly to JRM I would have used double speech marks, as is the norm. And the Gray report didn't bring down the PM. What did for your beloved Boris was when 60 of his ministers resigned after he knowingly promoted a sex pest. and then sent out his hapless troops to lie on his behalf. You either have a short memory or you are warping the facts to suit your agenda. The sort of behaviour you normally jump all over when others do it, in fact. ."

[joe royal]

"I’m still waiting for the site spastic to prove ‘we’ voted Boris in. I’m sure he was unelected by “us” but I’m happy to be proven wrong. As for Brexit? One man, one vote - whoever gets the most votes wins. Democracy at its finest."

[joe royal]

"I’m still waiting for the site spastic to prove ‘we’ voted Boris in. I’m sure he was unelected by “us” but I’m happy to be proven wrong. As for Brexit? One man, one vote - whoever gets the most votes wins. Democracy at its finest."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Fo the Communist 11:52 Tue Mar 7 'Surf. For clarity, the use of single quotation marks was my errant punctuation. I was not suggesting JRM had used that phrase - but it is the implication of his words.' Ah, I see. So you knew he didn't say it and decided to spice up his words a bit to make your argument appear stronger. Nothing to see there, then. And after all, you are of the left and are nice so normal rules don't apply. 'But if you really believe this,,, ""In any case, in this particular instance, of a person who purported to be independent but was in fact an agent of the opposition bringing about the downfall of the Prime Minister, it would be a term that might be accurate."" ..then it's no surprise you and JRM are firm bedfellows.' If you believe it's OK for a civil servant to present themself as politically neutral, prepare a report that brings down the government and then take a senior paid job in the opposition party, then the is no hope for the decent left. If had been a Tory civil servant and a Labour PM you would be rightly outraged. But I forgot, it's OK because you are the nice ones and normal rules don't apply. Interestingly, in the link you gave there's a video of an interview with Keir Starmer in which he refuses eight times to say when he offered her the job. So, nothing to hide there, then."

[arsene york-hunt]

The BBC were describing anti immigration protesters as far right. I am sure that there are a few old racist slapheads that latch on to these things but i am also pretty sure that the far right comments by the reporters etc. are meant to shut down debate.We had a BBC show this morning with a very rude African lady saying that those who support controlling immigration are racsts and also said they were politically illiterate.

[Fo the Communist]

"Surf. For clarity, the use of single quotation marks was my errant punctuation. I was not suggesting JRM had used that phrase - but it is the implication of his words. But if you really believe this,,, ""In any case, in this particular instance, of a person who purported to be independent but was in fact an agent of the opposition bringing about the downfall of the Prime Minister, it would be a term that might be accurate."" ..then it's no surprise you and JRM are firm bedfellows."

[Hammer and Pickle]

"TUT! Lent ends no sooner than PALM Sunday, and that’s open to debate, right?"

[Cabbage Savage]

you pootin it with yur old spunk socks?

[Hammer and Pickle]

"“Unless you can show a specific example of JRM using 'socialist' in the same way as the left use, for example 'fascist' you don't have a case.” I simply love this sentence and am going to keep it as a SPECIMEN"