Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[goose]

"""Moyes had 2 must wins this season otherwise we'd have go Benetiz!"" oh so we're using hearsay and rumours as a basis for your argument? Palace are probably the most comparable London club. The others are miles ahead if you look at the financials and their historic success."

[threesixty]

"goose ""How many days did we spend in the bottom 3? Very very few. 6 points clear and safe with 3 games left is miles away."" delusional! miles away?? Moyes had 2 must wins this season otherwise we'd have go Benetiz! So ""miles away"" that they still don't know whether to keep him even if he wins the ECL! The fact is we should NEVER see the bottom half of the table given our spend and the size of the club. No comparable London team does, why should we? Miles away lol!"

[goose]

"Because we weren't. How many days did we spend in the bottom 3? Very very few. 6 points clear and safe with 3 games left is miles away. In 10 of PL football you'll still be saying we're a yo-yo club, which even know is a huge pile of bollicks. You feel free to keep digging though""¶""¶."

[threesixty]

"Goose We've just finished 14th, 6 points clear of relegation but in 10yrs time you will tell me that we were nowhere near relegation this season lol! Revisionist bollocks."

[goose]

The year after was Grant. My post was about since our most recent promotion with BFS we've had poor seasons but none which ended up close to relegation. Worst case we're 5 or 6 points clear of the drop. In the PL that's a comfortable distance.

[swindon hammer]

Zola's last season before he was sacked we were certainly in relegation trouble. We finished 17th with 35 points and it was only the home win against Wigan 2 games before the end of the season that mostly confirmed our safety. I remember that being a huge game with Scott Parker scoring a cracking winner.

[goose]

"As for ""All our managerial changes since over the last 20 yrs""¶""¶being about the threat of relegation""ù. That's more bollocks. Curbs nope Zola nope BFS nope Moyes the first time nope Pellegrini hard to prove after only 18 games and not being in the bottom 3."

[goose]

Being safe by 5 or 6 points and being safe with two or more games to go in nowhere near relegation. We're not a yo-yo club by any stretch. Not sure what other london clubs have to do with anything.

[threesixty]

"goose ""we've finished 16th once on 39 points. 40 points twice and the rest have all been higher. We've never been anywhere near relegated."" I think you want to spin that one back lol The very fact we finished one 39, and then two 40 kind of means we have flirted with relegation at least 3 times! 42 points was normally considered being safe but we blew that stat away by being the team relegated with the most points ever I believe. All our managerial changes since over the last 20 yrs have been caused not because we missed out on a trophy or top 4 etc.. but rather we were at risk of getting relegated or had been relegated! No other big London club has gone anywhere near relegation in during this time or even ever in the PL era from what I remember. Maybe Spurs before Redknapp took over and that got sorted out straight after xmas. Chelsea now is the nearest any of them have ever seen in the PL era in terms of relegation. The idea that we've been no where near relegation... that's like wow... What a mad thing to say!"

[Steady]

"Pretty sure I read that we've been in the top flight 27 of the past 30 seasons, hardly a yo-yo club. Finishing 6th, 7th, Europa league semi and then Europa conference league finalists is what we should be regularly achieving/aiming for. 2nd highest attendances in England, 5th highest I believe in Europe and 15th most valuable club in the world. Time to start aiming higher, especially when you see how smaller clubs like Brentford and Brighton are progressing."

[swindon hammer]

"goose, I couldn't give a fuck about the owners or the manager. I was speaking as a supporter which is why I started the comment with ""For me""ù If we win on Wednesday most of our supporters will be on cloud nine and the disappointment of our league form will barely register so that imo will be a good season for us (The supporters). It's all about creating memories."

[goose]

And if you're the owners Swindon?

[BRANDED]

The league is Winning it Champions league positions Eufa Conference Staying up Going down Cups are League FA Chanps/top 4 Europa/6th Conference/7th Winning anything trumps all but going down

[swindon hammer]

Purely for the memories rather than what is the better performance for the team or the manager. We finished 6th a couple of seasons back and that was obviously great but we won't be talking or celebrating that in years to come like we will if we win on Wednesday. I was there in 2006 for the FA Cup final and the team were magnificent. It was such a great performance but the way we lost made me sick and I still can't watch those goals back even today. This is why I couldn't give a fuck what the performance is like on Wednesday. Just win.

[goose]

"Interesting last comment Swindon. It's better for the fans yes, but which is the better performance by the team? For me the league is the benchmark Moyes should be judged against."

[swindon hammer]

For me it comes down to one game. If we win on Wednesday it's been a good season and if we lose it's been a bad season. Give me a trophy and finishing 14th over just finishing 6th all day long.

[goose]

Since our most recent promotion we've finished 16th once on 39 points. 40 points twice and the rest have all been higher. We've never been anywhere near relegated. The yo-yo term is decades out of date and very far from the truth.

[Takashi Miike]

"expectations change when you're given £200m to spend on players. when you still lose twenty league games, it's really nothing to celebrate despite Wednesday's final"

[threesixty]

I'm talking about the perception of the club in most peoples eyes. We have been relegated twice in the last 20 odd years and flirted with relegation numerous times. It was not unusual for us to be in a relegation battle. Our lack of success is the reason Sullivan got the club in the first place. No one of as surprised if West Ham were fighting a relegation battle and that's why everyone said we should be grateful when we got shit like Allardyce etc So Moyes did change that perception. Even if our spending has been like a top club in recent years our circumstances have rarely matched that.

[swindon hammer]

We are about to enter our 12th consecutive season of top flight football. We haven't done that since the 60s/70s

[scouse kid]

It should also be pointed out aside from the season Moyes took over from Pelligrini this is our worst league finishing position since we were promoted

[scouse kid]

This Yo Yo club is fucking bullshit. It's a line peddled out by thick cսnt pundits. Actually we have the eighth longest spell in the premier league currently.

[goose]

"Dicks also admitted to not watching much football. We've been relegated once in the last 12 years? Twice in in the last 22. That's not a yo-yo club. We're around 7th or 8th biggest in the country in terms of turnover & wages paid. Maybe higher in net transfer spend over the last decade. While I appreciate what Moyes did, it's the level we should expect and hasn't been delivered often enough."

[threesixty]

"The best thing Moyes has done for us is set the expectation level for this club. People think it's crazy that we were fighting relegation. That's a new thing to be honest. Most people expect us to be fighting relegation most years. Even Julian Dicks was saying we are a yo yo club etc So I'm kind of grateful for Moyes keeping us in the top 4 for a while , and then in the top 7 teams in the country for 2 seasons. People finally took us seriously. And it seems Moyes is a victim of his own success as he has set the benchmark. And he refers to it time and time again.. ""consecutive European campaigns, top 6, top 7 etc.. club should be grateful etc""ù So now he's set the level he himself should know what's expected. And what's happened league wise in the last 18 months is not the standard he set. And he should fall on his sword if he isn't able to make that standard going forward. He should be happy that it was him that set this bar. And do everyone a favour and pass it to someone who can do the job. That would be an honourable thing to do. Btw, we are only in the final because he fucked up the tail end of last season where we dropped down from 4 to 7th position. Otherwise we would have been in the europa league again. Which we really should have. But because he didn't buy a striker in jan (Alvarez??) and stuck with a knackered post Jamaica Antonio we fucked up and have been shit ever since. It's amazing how you can view the same scenario from the different angles!"

[goose]

Will be hard to get rid if we win lol. Anyone would think they don't own the club! It's a very easy decision to make if you want to do it.