Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Yarmouth]

"Russ of the BML 11:13 Fri May 26 Completely agree fella, great post."

[VickyPkVillageIdiot]

"We very nearly managed top 4, as did Leicester (twice). We went from a relegation battle, to 2 points off the top 4. That's what Newcastle have achieved, but they got lucky with Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea all having poor seasons. The difference with Newcastle is that they have the spending power to stay in the top 4."

[stewie griffin]

"I'd argue we should reasonably aspire to what Newcastle have achieved this season. It's very easy to lazily dismiss it because of who they're owned by but more than half their team is the same players who didn't win in their first 18 games last season and looked doomed to relegation. Many of the others, like Dan Burn, are journeymen pros. Supplemented by obvious quality like Isak and Guimaraes. None of the players they have signed, or were on their books, were pit if our reach financially. In fact if you'd put our squad next to theirs last January, ours was comfortably better. At the end of the summer window, when we spent roughly the same amount of money, they were - at best- on a par with us. The difference in performance has been quite stark"

[Russ of the BML]

"Steady 11:53 Fri May 26 Agree with all that. But they why's, who's, how's are all part of the mix of how a club progresses. You say they got lucky with Kane and maybe they did but, then again, Levy has done well to hold onto him for so long. And, as i said, I do think Spurs have had their chance and agree with you, i think they are looking at some time outside the top 8 over next few years. But we digress, my point is, Levy joined Spurs in 2000. But I think it was really during Redknap's management that they kicked on. Once Pochetinno joined in 2012 their expectations massively increased way above ours. And rightly or wrongly they have stayed high since. We need our Pochettino moment. A manager that come in and get hold of this club and deliver a brand of football and philospohy that pushes our expectations to where a club of this magnitude deserves. Or we stick with Moyes and keep sticking our wet finger in the air. Just my opinion though."

[Steady]

"Russ - I agree regarding expectations, we should be aiming for European qualification every season with our crowds, location, squad etc. Regarding Spurs, bear in mind they got very very lucky with Kane turning out to be one of the best strikers around. They should have won trophies with him in their side, and will massively regret that when he leaves. You will find once he goes, and Son does too, that they revert back to their previous levels of finishing 8th to 12th most seasons."

[Russ of the BML]

Takashi Miike 11:30 Fri May 26 Why is it spoof? The last decade Spurs expectations have generally increased consistently way above ours. That's a fact. This season they are 8th and its a major failure. This season we have been almost relegated and its a major failure. That's the difference.

[Takashi Miike]

*as much as I hate*

[Takashi Miike]

"russ, I hope that's a spoof post. as much as hate moyes football and want better, he's outperformed those cunts the past three years and apart from that new stadium, they have nothing at all to shout about"

[Russ of the BML]

*As much as I HATE to say it

[Russ of the BML]

"As much as I have to say it, I believe that our next step as a club should be to aspire to where Spurs are currently at with regard to league position and expectation. Spurs are a club that in the last decade have been part of the so called big six. Yes, things change, Newcastle are now competitive so they have come into it and this season Villa and Brighton are in the limelight. But I would say generally Spurs are one of the big clubs. There expectations are to be competitive in the league - Not yet expected to win it - But competitive. By that I mean at start of season their realistic expectation is to compete for Champions League (it gets harder year on year and I genuinely think Spurs had their chance under Pochettino and its now gone - but that's another story). At the very least their expectation is to qualify for Europa League. Anything less than that and they have not achieved expectation. Domestic cups are also expected and at the very least to go deep in those competitions. European cups again, to go deep and i would suggest if in Europa League the expectation would be to win it. That's where Spurs are. That's where we need to be. Annually competing at the top end of the table with reasonable and genuine expectations to win a domestic trophy. Then, from there, if its possible to progress one step above and have even higher expectations. But right now, our expectations are all over the shop. Avoid relegation, mid-table, top eight, top six - Who's guess is right? That's because of inconsistency and a lack of competence in everything that we do. From management, coaching, scouting, transfers, budgets, facilities..... You name it. From top to bottom, right now, nothing is as good as it needs to be. And the supporters are being shafted by this lack of genuine fundamental competence and ambition. That is Sullivans' fault. And it drip feeds down to Moyes. And unless one or both of them go, our expectations will continue to be like putting a wet finger up into the wind."

[fraser]

Just seen we have the least cards in the league this year 43 yellow no reds. This is what happens when you allow the other team the ball.. City also have 43 yellow but 1 red.. For the complete opposite reason I suppose... Don't have to tackle if the other team don't have the ball.

[Side of Ham]

"Due to our move we ain't doing no Brighton plan""¶.regardless of Sullivan""¶.we are too high profile and heavy investment is the only route""¶. Brighton went under the radar to put in this system but watch it become a challenge to even buy cheaply as the selling clubs realise their buyers success cheapskating them for starters""¶.then there's the bigger clubs ensuring they get their 4th or 5th targets""¶."

[scouse kid]

Bloom puts in over 3 million a year into his own data. They have established a series of data points which they think are key which help them in establishing who they want to purchase Whereas we have Sullivan's Agent mates and whoever Jack Sullivan has purchased on his latest save on football manager as key drivers in our signing policy

[BRANDED]

"Brighton might find that harder. Might not. We've signed names and found some championship players. Antonio, Cresswell, the two Czech lads, Rice is academy, Downes. Its easy to see the fuck ups."

[Takashi Miike]

"crayons? I've forgot more about football than you'll ever know, you weird cսnt"

[El Scorchio]

A big difference with Brighton and us is that they are able to find good players with star potential before they are bigtime/millionaires- at least for now. We are usually buying at least halfway established players all the time. Luizao may be the only one in recent times who isn't? Arguably Flynn Downes? Caicado Mac Allister Mitoma All plucked from relative obscurity and have become known AT Brighton. it's similar to Sullivan's 'punts' only these ones actually come off because presumably they've been researched and scouted properly using fantastic methodology. I forget who told me on here about their scouting/appraisal system. Very interesting though. They've managed to combine this very well so far at least with some shrewd cheap veteran acquisitions and a few players who have risen through the divisions with the club. Is it sustainable? Who knows. The conveyer belt usually runs out at some point or they'll sell one player too many and not be able to replace them adequately.

[scouse kid]

Given the congested nature of the table. it's always good to look at how many points we got 20/21 was 65 21/22 was 56 and this season if we win on the final day it will be 43. It does point to a relative decline over the past three seasons.

[Side of Ham]

"A club that decided to move to almost double its gate should see the club as continuing to under achieve""¶..unless they think their customer base are mugs?""¶..Being in Europe should have you no lower than mid table IF you have a plan and a good manager in place""¶..if we were still at UP then your logic would be realistic for the size of the club and what it should expect""¶.the move""¶.as a business model""¶..has by it's largeness in upgrade, put us in direct competition with the bigger clubs""¶.two of them are in the same city""¶.stop with your smalltime bollocks THE OWNERS""¶..moved us away from""¶"

[BRANDED]

"West Ham are somewhat lucky to have a 60,000 seater stadium. Some clubs could fill more some not. I don't think the size of the ground has much to do with managing a football team of millionaires. BTW I'm not defending Moyes I'm really looking at what kind of manager has the ability to manage on field tactics and millionaires. I believe one of Brighton's metrics is around the mentality of the player suited to their club."

[BRANDED]

Financially we are 7th/8th in the league. so why are the last two seasons over achieving? they were delivering the levels we should be. 6 > 7/8 7 > 8 Plus you have the added load of Europe in one of those years. However. We should expect 7th or 8th when there is no Europe. With Europe its more complicated as you earn more but have a bigger schedule to manage. Unless you just throw Europe.

[Meerkat]

"I don't have the stats , but what were our league results when we had a 2 month break from Europe in the Spring? Not great I would think , using Europe as an excuse this season for underwhelming league campaign doesn't hold water ."

[El Scorchio]

"Still think he leaves at the end of the season. Just that the result in the final will define the way in which he leaves, or at least the way it's presented. If we lose, it's the tin tack, if we win, he's leaving on his own terms with 'mission accomplished' for a bit of time to recharge and everyone's reputation remains intact. The Leeds game just emphasises how his safety first philosophy has been holding us back all season from what we could be."

[Yarmouth]

"Eerie Descent 9:01 Wed May 24 Bang on right fella, bang on right. Moyes simply has to leave our club otherwise we will be served up the same, if not worse, type of 'football' every season the mug is here. If we win the cup, brilliant, for us, the fans, for West Ham football club & the players and staff. Not just for fucking Moyes so he can have some type of bullshit redemption & keep his job. He's been absolute shite in the prem all season - so after the final - just fuck him off."

[Side of Ham]

"There's very few clubs that can warrant playing in stadiums that expect 60,000+ gates. None of them would except the bollocks Branded has just spouted""¶."

[Lee Trundle]

goose 3:12 Thu May 25