Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Nagel]

"""a prime example of how criminally bad this season has been given what we have in the squad, and what they can do"" Yep. Some people think that those of us who want Moyes sacked are just being negative (and perhaps that's true of those who continually slag off most of our players too), but for me I've actually felt really positive all season about what this team could do with the right manager. Even if we win the ECL it'll have been like a really shit holiday that was just horrible every day until right at the end, when something good finally happened. For some people that's enough, but I'd rather enjoy the whole experience, not just have a memorable snapshot moment right at the end."

[Side of Ham]

stewie griffin 5:47 Wed May 24 & brundal.......

[brundal]

I'm not letting our cup run in which we haven't played anyone who would survive in the Premiership alter my judgment. Our league position and negative tactics proves that Moyes should have been sacked after the World Cup and I can't see any reason to keep him .

[LJC]

Didn't Onana turn us down because he didn't want to work with Moyes?

[Lee Trundle]

"It's only taken Moyes 37 games to get our possession STATS up. He made a big song and dance at the start of the season about improving our possession after spending £200m on players, and he's finally done it in a game."

[stewie griffin]

"For me at least, Sunday was probably our best performance of the season. And if not best, certainly most enjyable viewing-wise. First time all season i haven't been bored stiff watching us. I'm not one who is obsessed with STATS, but its notable that we had 59% possession. I think its the first time all season we've had more than 50%. We played some lovely stuff, because we have the players to do so. First 20 minutes, we went out with the same boring, shit, mentality that we'd had all season and the best thing that could have happened was for Leeds to score and they did. Probably the only manager who could rival Moyes in the boredom stakes is that hideously disgusting fat oaf, whose team immediately dropped back, surrendered possession and allowed us to play. Far from it being a return to what we used to do, or some kind of magical in-game tactical shift - it was just a prime example of how criminally bad this season has been given what we have in the squad, and what they can do"

[zico]

Swindon Yep agreed. I do have to wonder though if Sullivan still has input in some of these signings.

[threesixty]

Moyes himself has said he's gone back to the way we played before. Which is sort of an acknowledgment that what Antonio said months ago was the reality inside the club. Moyes had tried to change the way we played but ultimately it didn't work. So we are essentially back to where we were 18 months ago with a few different players but not the ability to break into the top 4 as we can't really hold the ball. The question that I'd like Moyes to answer is why did it take so long to change course? And that is ultimately why it's hard to recommend him as a manager being how slow he is to react to the problems in front of him. Its baffling. I just don't trust him anymore to be honest. I don't trust him to solve problems in a timely fashion. I think he risked this club needlessly. We could have easily got relegated this season. The fact that we even graced the bottom 3 is shocking. And I don't buy all they Europe achievement crap. Yes the 1st season Europa league was a massive achievement. But the Conference league and standard of our team. Rice alone is probably worth the market value of all the clubs we faced put together! Yes it's great to be icon a final but it was only a hard final to get to because of how shit our league form is. I dunno... feels like a wife beater giving her flowers for her birthday.. doesn't really change what's happened.

[swindon hammer]

"zico, we didn't get most of those because bigger clubs like Man City, Liverpool & Barcelona also wanted them. The only 2 out of that list we should have got were Lingard & Onana. Both very strange cases although you could argue we dodged a bullet with Lingard while if we had of paid that 30 million plus on Onana would we have had the money to also buy Paqueta?"

[Side of Ham]

His preseason is a joke which is a key factor for us as we are slow out the blocks as it is......

[stewie griffin]

"to add to the FOR (which for me is the biggest), scott, there was a massive turnover of players last summer; the scale of which a well-run club should never have happen. But we might well have it again. That's not Moyes' fault. Set against that - how he manages it and handles new arrivals absolutely is his fault. Question is really which one people feel more strongly about."

[zico]

"Gonzo makes a decent point in his video today asking how much better we would have been if Moyes had got his original targets such as Lingard, Darwin Nunes, Kalvin Phillips, Raphinha and Onana. It's a fair question but at the same time you have to ask why he didn't get them."

[scott_d]

"Personally, I think there are perfectly reasonable arguments for and against keeping David Moyes next year. The FOR arguments are obvious. - Finishing 6th and 7th in his first 2 full seasons. - Qualifying for Europe 2 years in a row - Reaching Semi Final of Europa and Final of Europa Conference - If you can look past this seasons poor league position, this is about as good a place as we realistically hoped and wanted to be in if you go back a few years. - There is always a question mark over whether teams can manage both Europe and the League and whilst this year has been a struggle, he did it well last year considering we are a very inexperienced team in Europe. Then there are the negatives. - Some of the football this year has been utter dross after spending nearly £180m. - Tacitcal decisions have been baffling (painfully slow to make subs, 2 goalkeepers on the bench every week, swapping a RB for RB when we're 2-0 down. - Almost BFS style stubbornness in contuneing to play players massively out of form and formations that clearly don't work. - Dithering transfer activity that makes DS look decisive, which arguably cost us even greater level of success. I'm probably missing a few off each of those lists but personally I've wanted Moyes out since November as we should have been But playing devils advocate to my own personal view, I can understand the argument to keep him. As stated above we are not an experienced team in Europe and it often happens that teams struggle with League form when they are not used to playing in Europe. I expect Brighton, Newcastle and Villa or Brentford will find it tough next season too having not played much in Europe before this season (even if Newcastle do have bundles of cash to spend). So for me, whilst I'd love a change and welcome a new manager who is willing to play a more attractive style of football, if there just doesn't seem to be anyone out there then I would not be totally against giving Moyes another season. But the moment we look like we could in trouble in the League, he's got to go."

[Alwaysaniron]

Thought I'd poke my head into the thread.. Has he gone yet?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"A nice footballers' suburb in Manchester, say, Hale, is about a 1h 30m drive in Dawson's nice footballer's motor. Or there are plenty of beautiful places to live half way in between. It's about 4 hours from Manchester to Chadwell Heath. That's a very significant difference."

[Vexed]

"We get to a final and a the fucking turncoat softcocks are out tongue polishing Moyes' fucking hoop. Look at the performance of basically all the cunts Moyes wanted but didn't get. Lingard, fucking abject. Broja, one goal and a mashed up cruciate ligament. Onana, average possibly getting relegated. Nunez, overrated, technically poor, flakey walking red card. Poor old Moyes, just the 200m to spend."

[Russ of the BML]

"David L 10:10 Wed May 24 Ah, of course. Of course. LOL I thought someone on here had suggested him as a replacement for Moyes!"

[El Scorchio]

"Nagel 1:58 I think with Bilic, Sullivan was just waiting for the first opportunity possible to fire him after he said in a press conference that he thought them being called the dildo brothers was funny, and corrections to Sullivan's story about the Polish and Portuguese players Sullivan was trying to push on him."

[Willtell]

"David L 12:48 Wed May 24 Re: Moyes Out Even Hammers Chat on YT are asking if we were too harsh on Moyes as he didn't apparently get his own transfer targets. For Fuck's Sake. ------------------------------------ I've just seen that video on Hammers Chat and it makes some good points. For example, Moyes first choices were Zouma and Aguerd which he got. Then Darwin Nunez who we would only bid £50m for but Liverpool eventually got for a reported £65m. Moyes 2nd choice was Broja but Chelsea turned us down. I remember the ridicule when we bid for Raphina and Kalvin Phillips but both turned us down and ended up moving to bigger clubs so we went for Onana who ended up going to Everton while Moyes apparently dithered over the fee. So in came Paqueta. And they were all to be teamed with Lingard which would have given us quite a few options in midfield and up front. The point that I'm wondering is this. Did Sullivan cheapskate the bids on Moyes choices and get outbid by other clubs? Were Scamacca and Paqueta Sullivan's cheaper options from his backhanding agent mates? Is that why Sullivan didn't want to sack Moyes and risk it coming out that it was really all Sullivan's incompetence on getting players that took a while to fit in rather than Moyes buying the wrong players?"

[Nagel]

"comma, I already made it pretty obvious that I thought Pellegrini would have kept us up easily, and I think the same of Bilic as well, who was a bit hard done by to be sacked after only 11 games, seeing as we weren't even in the relegation places. That sacking would have been fair enough if the board had done it with eyes on the future, looking to bring in a better manager, rather than a one dimensional old duffer who they saw as a safe pair of hands."

[stewie griffin]

", 1:00 Wed May 24 Re: Moyes Out the other fact is that we were in the bottom 3 at the end of March. Neither of the other two got that luxury."

[Side of Ham]

This self titled Idiot is just so shit at what he tries to do on here......

[David L]

What's Pardew up to these days?

[VickyPkVillageIdiot]

"Dawson leaving 'to be closer to his family' was a weird one. I'd understand if he moved to the North-West, but the difference in travel time from the West Midlands to the NW, and from London to the NW is negligible. He just knew he wasn't up to the same standard as are our other CBs. Bet he's kicking himself on missing out on a Euro cup final now though."

[,]

"Nagel, the facts are that Moyes twice replaced managers and we were not relegated. However what I have asked is what would have happened without the changes. SG speculate that we would have bobbled along and probably avoided relegation. We will never know but I suspect that one or other of the pair, Bilic/Pelle would have taken us down without a change. What do you think?"