Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[goose]

"The below is a great example of why we shouldn't be buying players from established teams like Chelsea, PSG and Villa. They are already on big wages and we have to pay stupid sums to attract them. I always wondered why Lanzini always looks so happy."

[Nagel]

"Moyes said again recently that Areola was bought to replace Fabianski, not be his No 2. He's said that Fabianski has kept his place because he's playing well. Personally I never thought we should have bought Areola and if we were going to get him in as the new No 1 after the loan period then we should at least have tested him out in more Premier league games last season. Clearly this has fuck all to do with Newman though. It was up to Moyes to buy him and it's up to him whether he plays or not."

[Willtell]

WHUDeano Yes that list shows why the board want a Director of Football that will be answerable to the board and NOT the manager. Areola is the one that shows that Sullivan no longer has his mucky paws on who we buy. £120k pw on a reserve keeper! On top of that we had a year loan fee of £5m and then a buy fee of around £13m iirc? All for a reserve yet 1st choise Fabianski is on £65k pw! No wonder Moyes and Newman are in trouble with Sullivan who iirc wanted Sam Johnson from WBA on a free. I doubt it would have made any difference to league or cup positions but would have saved around £40m

[Nagel]

"Legrandformage, You'd have had a point if I had been using facts out of context but comparing how a manager does with how the club performs immediately before and after his time there is literally applying context, isn't it? Not sure I'd describe a 50 year old as long in the tooth, but OK. If you think it shows more ambition for Sullivan to go for a cheaper, inexperienced up and comer than an established and expensive top level manager then fair enough. I think it's more risk aversion than lack of ambition really though. I would prefer the likes of Kompany and Carrick as greater risk, greater reward possibly, but all three are attack minded coaches, which is all important for me."

[El Scorchio]

"WHUDeano 12:30 Reading that list is pretty horrendous. Obviously it's all based on recency- new signings and those who likely signed a new contract in the recent past, but... Ings, Areola and Lanzini are horrendous value for money, in particular. Antonio a symptom of our total reliance on him for the last 4 years. Can't really grumble about Paqueta, Zouma or Ogbonna, and jury for me probably still out on Emerson, Scamacca (due to misuse, lack of games) and Kehrer. Notable absences are Rice and Bowen. I guess Rice would be at the top if he signed a new contract and Bowen somewhere around Emerson levels. Some of this to be fair is simply where we've signed a player from, or utter desperation. The Ings one is utterly dreadful reading though. Would love to know which of Sullivan or Moyes are ultimately responsible for that signing, as I've heard conflicting stories."

[Bexley Ironworks]

"I really struggle to see the appeal of Rodgers and would be wholly underwhelmed if he got the job. A Northern Irish Pardew, in more ways than one."

[WHUDeano]

"BRANDED 11:56 Wed May 10 I'm not sure how accurate c&h is, but they published the players wages the other day, and it would go some way to explaining the poor season. Not sure if it's been done on here already but our top 10 earners make for some quite ridiculous reading: Lucas Paqueta £7,800,000 £150,000 Danny Ings £6,500,000 £125,000 Alphonse Areola £6,240,000 £120,000 Kurt Zouma £6,240,000 £120,000 Emerson Palmieri £4,940,000 £95,000 Gianluca Scamacca £4,680,000 £90,000 Michail Antonio £4,420,000 £85,000 Thilo Kehrer £4,160,000 £80,000 Manuel Lanzini £3,640,000 £70,000 Angelo Ogbonna £3,640,000 £70,000 7 of those 10 aren't considered automatic starters. It seems ridiculous to be paying someone like Emerson £95k per week, so I'm not sure how true it would be, but if true, can certainly see it causing some unrest in behind the scenes from those considered first choice."

[goose]

I agree with the big cheese. The thing that stuck with me about his Leicester team was their inability to defend set plays over a 2 or 3 year period. A top coach would fix that problem. And his Liverpool team were the only ones we beat at Anfield in a billion years.

[Sir Alf]

"Rodgers is exactly who Sullivan would go for. Older and experienced and won something in the past ( even distant past). It's the least risk in Sullivan's mind as he has no vision or long term plan ( strategy ) on the football side. It's the way he does business like a 1970s market trader using blokes he knows or mates of mates ( Salthouse, Mackay etc). However, if we win this 5 bob ;-) cup he will keep Moyes albeit bring in a DOF that he controls so he can influence the transfer / recruitment again. Ok just speculation but it's what he has done for most of his 30yeaes owning football clubs. He will always be the impediment to progress unfortunately."

[BRANDED]

"The problem with the new players is the distortion in wages. You've suddenly got players brought in on much bigger wages than those who had already put a shift in. If those players didnt seem to be pulling up trees or, in fact, were sick notes, then a rot sets in. This was explained as trading up but that is disrespectful to those who had done so well. You get a sense that the fight against relegation and the Euro cup ultimately galvanised the players and had them really focussed. For me, more than tactics, this has been a failing but if you ARE to bring in high earners you definitely need a way to do that and keep everyone happy. Something went wrong here."

[legrandefromage]

"Indeed, cherry picked to prove the point! I am modest enough to admit not knowing the best up-and-coming managers in the game. But it wouldn't be someone from the merry-go-round of long in the tooth Premier League suspects. I'm sure that's where Sullivan will be looking though"

[Nagel]

Which manager do you think we could actually get that would show ambition then?

[Nagel]

"You're right legrandefromage. It's easy to cherry pick facts without context, as you proved in your very next sentence."

[Rossal]

I bet Leicester fans wish they'd stuck with him now I am guessing they are being reactionary based on this season as the 3 full seasons he had with them he was nothing short of superb surely?

[legrandefromage]

"It's easy to cherry pick facts without context. But, he is the only Liverpool manager since the 1950s to go 3 seasons without a trophy. And his 'success' at Leicester is as much history as Moyes as West Ham. I've read a lot of scathing criticism about him from Leicester fans online - accepted that fans are volatile - and many blame his man management skills for their current plight. Having said that, he would be an improvement over Moyes, but not by enough if the club strive to have any ambition"

[Manuel]

"Sure, you obviously rate the bloke and that's fair enough of course. If Moyes does go and if Rodgers did come in I wouldn't say I'd be that excited about it, more a feeling of a safe pair of hands, if anything. His 'heyday' at Liverpool seems like a long time ago now. I know a Leicester fan who knows his onions and remember him saying to me a good while ago that him and a lot of the Leicester fanbase didn't like Rodgers, he gave examples as to why, but I wouldn't remember them now. Just saying."

[Nagel]

"Yeah, we all know that no one has a crystal ball. You might as well trot out other cliches like be careful what you wish for. Fact is, if you're hiring someone you hope will do well then you have to look at their past career, and try to look at it in context. I'm not sure if most people who don't want him really are aware of his CV, unless they're ignoring it as they don't like him, because he comes across as an arrogant prick (which is true enough). Probably the main reason I big him up is that he's one of the only managers around with a good track record who always tries to play attacking football, and we could do with that for a change."

[Hammer and Pickle]

One thing is for sure - there won't be any official statement on a decision about the manager next season while we are in the cup. So relax.

[Manuel]

"Nagel - Blimey, you sound like his agent with that love in, and I think most here would be aware of his CV. It wouldn't be the worst appointment, granted, but agree with the ''unimaginative'' comment earlier. And I'm not getting involved in a debate about how good or otherwise he would be for us, as without a crystal ball it's impossible to know. So big him up all you want, but you cannot in anyway be sure if he would be any good for us or not. Plus Moyes is probably staying anyway :-)"

[Willtell]

I don't see Sullivan paying a £6m buy-out fee for Silva when Brendan Rodgers is available on a free. I don't study it any more but I can't help but feel WH would be a good fit for Rodgers. Years ago I saw a long TV programme on him at Liverpool and was impressed. Rodgers has since suffered a bit of reputational loss but at Leicester he was always on a hiding to nothing. No money but a club with PL winning ambitions were bound to end in failure.

[Nagel]

"Rodgers is easily the best manager we could hope to get who already has PL experience. He's improved every team he was at. People forget that when he joined Liverpool they'd spent the previous 3 seasons finishing 6th-8th. He got them to 2nd place, narrowly missing out on the top spot, and creating a record scoring amount for a PL season, which Klopp hasn't beaten. At Celtic he had the best record of any of their managers for years. At Leicester, apart from winning the FA cup, he had them finishing 5th twice in a row. They'd finished 9th-12th in the previous 3 seasons. He also had them scoring loads of goals (67, 68 and 62 in his 3 full seasons). And if you look at this season, he never should have been sacked. They've had to keep selling their best players, making it a struggle to do well, but they had an easy run in and likely would have got clear of the relegation places by now. Instead they've got worse."

[RdUeSpSrEeLsLsed]

"He's also shown when supported with money he's brought in players that have sold for millions more than bought Maguire, Fofana come to mind. I could be wrong. The keeper they had this season reminds me of Roberto and the players there have lost their fight as the chairmen is not investing it seems."

[Rossal]

"""What has anyone seen in Brendan Rodgers that makes them think he is just the mean for the job"" Finished 5th 2 years in a row, made euro semi final last season and won the FA Cup and Charity Shield. He plays good football and isnt afraid to use youth. In terms of a free agent which we all know Sullivan loves.... I think he is a good option"

[Manuel]

"I'm not sure about Rodgers, don't doubt he's a good coach, but while he can't be classed as a ''journeyman'' manager he seems to have been around for a long time now, would prefer someone more fresh and ambitious with something to prove. If Moyes does go I wouldn't be surprised if we approach him though."

[Fifth Column]

"Silva not in your top five? Neither Rodgers nor Silva would be in my top 20. I agree Kompany (will never happen), Carrick both good shouts. And Frank wouldn't be my ideal choice - he's like a younger slightly less negative version of Moyes... but would still be an improvement on Moyes."