Patriotism

[Exiled In Surrey]

A flag should be about pride. About unity. About celebrating who we are.That’s not what’s happening right now. These England flags going up everywhere?That’s not patriotism. That’s marking territory. That’s sending a message.And the message is ugly: “This is ours. You don’t belong here.”That isn’t pride. That’s fear. That’s exclusion. That’s racism dressed up as tradition.Real patriotism doesn’t slam the door in someone’s face. Real patriotism says: we are strong enough, proud enough, confident enough to welcome others in. To share our values — values of fairness, decency, tolerance — the values that have always made Britain worth being proud of.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. You betray our history. You betray the very idea of Britain.Because the truth is this: our flag should say we belong together. Not you stay out.

[WHU(Exeter)]

CS, I can well imagine that being the case, that there would’ve been pro-Palestine agitators riling them from the off. And also don’t understand the stuff below about ex-IDF or current IDF being with them. Of course there would be, due to the conscription set up in the country - I don’t think that should be a factor at all.

Also think there’ll be news stories from one side or the other that have distorted what actually happened. 

From what I’ve seen/read though, there appeared to have been plenty amongst them completely up for stuff (and more), that in years gone past would’ve seen sanctions from UEFA without an eyelid being batted.

We’ve got Starmer and Badenoch right behind draconian laws putting people inside for years, because of something written on social media or a placard, a few months later championing the rights of another lot to swan around singing songs celebrating the death of kids?

[THUNDERCLINT]

Can’t agree about the Macabi Tel Aviv fans.

If that had been a club from the Balkans, who’d been in Amsterdam those two nights, a significant number looking for fights, attacking a taxi driver, trying to break into properties and singing songs celebrating the death of kids etc etc, and then a British club stopped their attendance, nobody would be batting an eyelid. UEFA themselves might well have placed  sanctions on them, and given UEFAs stance over many years, involving a lot of clubs, including British for far less, that would’ve been par for the course.

Villa stopped Legia Warsaw fans from entering the away end en masse. Where was that in the news?

Starmer is right behind putting people inside for some nasty words on social media, or even on the other side of the political spectrum having 80 year olds arrested for something written on a placard, but at the same time in uproar that their fans can’t have the opportunity to do all the above again in a UK city?

They acted like cunts and have been treated the same way as dozens of clubs have been dealt with for decades.

They were met with Pro Palestine supporters though weren't they? Plenty of news reports have clearly stated they started on the Macabi fans first. 

 

 

There was some pro-palestine tosser calling for a ban and stirring up shit in the weeks before.

Ajax gave him some cosmic realignment days before the game.

On the eve of the game the taxi drivers could well have initiated something, got turned over, which then led to the " jew hunt" whatsapp groups. 

[Council Scum]

Can’t agree about the Macabi Tel Aviv fans.

If that had been a club from the Balkans, who’d been in Amsterdam those two nights, a significant number looking for fights, attacking a taxi driver, trying to break into properties and singing songs celebrating the death of kids etc etc, and then a British club stopped their attendance, nobody would be batting an eyelid. UEFA themselves might well have placed  sanctions on them, and given UEFAs stance over many years, involving a lot of clubs, including British for far less, that would’ve been par for the course.

Villa stopped Legia Warsaw fans from entering the away end en masse. Where was that in the news?

Starmer is right behind putting people inside for some nasty words on social media, or even on the other side of the political spectrum having 80 year olds arrested for something written on a placard, but at the same time in uproar that their fans can’t have the opportunity to do all the above again in a UK city?

They acted like cunts and have been treated the same way as dozens of clubs have been dealt with for decades.

They were met with Pro Palestine supporters though weren't they? Plenty of news reports have clearly stated they started on the Macabi fans first. 

[WHU(Exeter)]

Can’t agree about the Macabi Tel Aviv fans.

If that had been a club from the Balkans, who’d been in Amsterdam those two nights, a significant number looking for fights, attacking a taxi driver, trying to break into properties and singing songs celebrating the death of kids etc etc, and then a British club stopped their attendance, nobody would be batting an eyelid. UEFA themselves might well have placed  sanctions on them, and given UEFAs stance over many years, involving a lot of clubs, including British for far less, that would’ve been par for the course.

Villa stopped Legia Warsaw fans from entering the away end en masse. Where was that in the news?

Starmer is right behind putting people inside for some nasty words on social media, or even on the other side of the political spectrum having 80 year olds arrested for something written on a placard, but at the same time in uproar that their fans can’t have the opportunity to do all the above again in a UK city?

They acted like cunts and have been treated the same way as dozens of clubs have been dealt with for decades.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government
 Dutch police reported that "significant numbers of Maccabi fans were actively involved in demonstrations and confrontations".They said "500-600 fans" were "experienced fighters who were highly organised and co-ordinated. They were intent on serious violence and were not afraid of fighting with police

What would Israel have to gain from antagonising European nations?

'Middle East Eye', eh! A shadowy lot possibly funded by Qatar (but not certainly, because their ownership is a secret). Military service is compulsory in Israel, so it would be surprising if they weren't both  'linked to the IDF' and 'experienced fighters'.

And 30 seconds on Wikipedia you can see its links to hamas.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government
 Dutch police reported that "significant numbers of Maccabi fans were actively involved in demonstrations and confrontations".They said "500-600 fans" were "experienced fighters who were highly organised and co-ordinated. They were intent on serious violence and were not afraid of fighting with police

middle east eye? you might as well just get a job working propaganda for the iranian ministry of truth.

commie clown.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government
 Dutch police reported that "significant numbers of Maccabi fans were actively involved in demonstrations and confrontations".They said "500-600 fans" were "experienced fighters who were highly organised and co-ordinated. They were intent on serious violence and were not afraid of fighting with police

What would Israel have to gain from antagonising European nations?

'Middle East Eye', eh! A shadowy lot possibly funded by Qatar (but not certainly, because their ownership is a secret). Military service is compulsory in Israel, so it would be surprising if they weren't both  'linked to the IDF' and 'experienced fighters'.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government
 Dutch police reported that "significant numbers of Maccabi fans were actively involved in demonstrations and confrontations".They said "500-600 fans" were "experienced fighters who were highly organised and co-ordinated. They were intent on serious violence and were not afraid of fighting with police

What would Israel have to gain from antagonising European nations?

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Dutch police told their British counterparts that over 200 Maccabi Tel Aviv football fans who wreaked havoc in Amsterdam in November 2024 were "linked to the Israel Defense Forces [IDF]", and that hundreds more were "experienced fighters", "highly organised" and "intent on causing serious violence", Middle East Eye can reveal.The recent ban on fans of Israeli club Maccabi Tel Aviv from a 6 November fixture at Aston Villa in Birmingham triggered a political furore and was denounced as antisemitic last month by the British government
 Dutch police reported that "significant numbers of Maccabi fans were actively involved in demonstrations and confrontations".They said "500-600 fans" were "experienced fighters who were highly organised and co-ordinated. They were intent on serious violence and were not afraid of fighting with police

[THUNDERCLINT]

Let's face it the Israeli fans aren't being banned for their protection. The police could quite easily facilitate their safe transport to and from Villa Park.

They've been banned so that images of the "locals" in masks running a pogrom don't end up all over social media.

It's not about the Israelis it's about covering how badlygovernment has fucked the country. 

 
 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Bag search, pat down and foreskin check.  Whatever will the far right loons make up next? 

Jews are not right wing/far right?

Talk me through that as if you're explaining it for the first time to a 7 year old.

Is he saying Jews are Nazis?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Bag search, pat down and foreskin check.  Whatever will the far right loons make up next? 

Jews are not right wing/far right?

Talk me through that as if you're explaining it for the first time to a 7 year old.

[northbankfrank]

Bag search, pat down and foreskin check.  Whatever will the far right loons make up next? 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Is the ban you speak of  similar to the ban on Arabic and Palestinian players that Maccabi Tel Aviv operates?

No mate. The Birmingham ban is a real one. The one you are referring to is made up. 

In any event, I'm not sure how any alleged racism in an Usraeli football team would be a reason for state-approved anti-Semitism in Birmingham. Can you join up those dots for us?

[,]

Is the ban you speak of  similar to the ban on Arabic and Palestinian players that Maccabi Tel Aviv operates?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Thursday will see the formal surrender of the City of Birmingham to the forces of Islam. Despite a load of huffing and puffing by the government, Muslim activists in Birmingham have succeeded in instructing the West Midlands Police and Aston Villa FC to ban Jews from the Villa v Maccabi Tel Aviv game. The institutionally anti-Semitic police probably didn't need much instructing.

Your town or city or football club is next.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

He's not exactly old school Cornish is he? I mean he's a black bloke slashing people on a train. Absolute British through and through.

Of course he is

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Oh look it's not a terrorist attack or a migrant. You lot must be fuming. 

 

not fuming no, I tend to wait for the news and not bear down of a forum bleating gleefully it wasn't a terrorist/migrant attack.

could be it was a child of a immigrant who happens to a believer of the 'religion of peace' that said, I'm probably speculating.

you lefties don't give a fuck about the incident, it's who did/didn't do it that matters... bragging rights, huh.
  

It's very interesting how this thread has gone from absolute outrage when you all thought it was a migrant doing a terrorist attack to quiet as fuck once it became apparent it was one bloke who is British. If I was a suspicious type I might suspect that some of you are fucking hypocrites. 

 

 

A British passport doesn't mean shit in these times ..they dish em out like tools in a mosque.
Got your Rod out on multiple fronts tonight I see .
March on you throbber

[BRANDED]

He's not exactly old school Cornish is he? I mean he's a black bloke slashing people on a train. Absolute British through and through.

[Vexed]

Oh look it's not a terrorist attack or a migrant. You lot must be fuming. 

 

not fuming no, I tend to wait for the news and not bear down of a forum bleating gleefully it wasn't a terrorist/migrant attack.

could be it was a child of a immigrant who happens to a believer of the 'religion of peace' that said, I'm probably speculating.

you lefties don't give a fuck about the incident, it's who did/didn't do it that matters... bragging rights, huh.
  

It's very interesting how this thread has gone from absolute outrage when you all thought it was a migrant doing a terrorist attack to quiet as fuck once it became apparent it was one bloke who is British. If I was a suspicious type I might suspect that some of you are fucking hypocrites. 

[OK_Guy]

Oh look it's not a terrorist attack or a migrant. You lot must be fuming. 

 

 

not fuming no, I tend to wait for the news and not bear down of a forum bleating gleefully it wasn't a terrorist/migrant attack.

could be it was a child of a immigrant who happens to a believer of the 'religion of peace' that said, I'm probably speculating.

you lefties don't give a fuck about the incident, it's who did/didn't do it that matters... bragging rights, huh.
  

[Mike Oxsaw]

Not a terrorist attack? The victims will be overjoyed.

[Vexed]

Oh look it's not a terrorist attack or a migrant. You lot must be fuming. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Possibly a Halloween prank says a witness. The BBC and Sky are running with this theory. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not it.

[Pub Bigot]

Nothing meaningful will get done by the government. When one of their own, MP Sir David Ames was murdered, the response was a crackdown on social media posts was what was needed. I used to think that if/when a family member of an MP was slaughtered they would finally wake up but I now think nothing will change.
The damage to this country is so deep and widespread that its beyond the control of the authorities to change it. Really not sure where we go from here, we really are in the darkest of days.

Civil war. And it’s going to happen now without a shadow of a doubt, where towns and cities become like Belfast during the Troubles. 

And my question to the authorities and government is why shouldn’t it? They can’t project the people of this country, they actively work against the majority, and are they expecting the population to sit by idly why people are raped and killed while our towns and cities are flooded with backward third worlders who have no respect for our culture and no intention of fitting in. They’re not refugees. 

The rallies in London and the flags being hung were a warning to sort the mess out before the people decide to. 

Fucking hell, you're desperate for this to be something to justify your roundabout painting  aint ya? 

 

 

No sweet pea , it’s commentary on what’s to come.