Patriotism

[Exiled In Surrey]

A flag should be about pride. About unity. About celebrating who we are.That’s not what’s happening right now. These England flags going up everywhere?That’s not patriotism. That’s marking territory. That’s sending a message.And the message is ugly: “This is ours. You don’t belong here.”That isn’t pride. That’s fear. That’s exclusion. That’s racism dressed up as tradition.Real patriotism doesn’t slam the door in someone’s face. Real patriotism says: we are strong enough, proud enough, confident enough to welcome others in. To share our values — values of fairness, decency, tolerance — the values that have always made Britain worth being proud of.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. You betray our history. You betray the very idea of Britain.Because the truth is this: our flag should say we belong together. Not you stay out.

[WHU(Exeter)]

Westside - “Thousands cross in small boats from France to England. Perhaps ask them, why they think England is better than France”?

I thought exactly the same for years, and then someone on the radio said that in the majority of cases, it’s because English is their second language. I don’t know how true that is, but to fair it does make sense. 

And I still don’t agree with it, even if that is the case, as they are meant to be escaping to a safe country, irrespective of what language is or isn’t spoken.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

A flag should be about pride. About unity. About celebrating who we are.That’s not what’s happening right now. These England flags going up everywhere?That’s not patriotism. That’s marking territory. That’s sending a message.And the message is ugly: “This is ours. You don’t belong here.”That isn’t pride. That’s fear. That’s exclusion. That’s racism dressed up as tradition.Real patriotism doesn’t slam the door in someone’s face. Real patriotism says: we are strong enough, proud enough, confident enough to welcome others in. To share our values — values of fairness, decency, tolerance — the values that have always made Britain worth being proud of.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. You betray our history. You betray the very idea of Britain.Because the truth is this: our flag should say we belong together. Not you stay out.

Marxist puke.

[Far Cough UKunt]

There are many things I'm proud of for being English and many I'm ashamed of. I could never understand why someone thinks their country is better. Is England better than France, Italy or Spain for example? If so on what  basis? 

I think it's a big stupid and ignorant and arguably patriotism breeds hatred. 

 

Nothing wrong with patriotism, it's nationalism you were referring to and it's not that.

[BRANDED]

A flag is a symlink to a vast dataset of history, meaning and belief. You dont need it much if you have a pluralist government governing on behalf of the people who believe in the dataset. Once the governing body starts to reject those beliefs and imports many others displaying the flag is a very simple way of reminding them who they are responsible to. 

[Council Scum]

Is England better than France, Italy or Spain for example? If so on what  basis? 
 

Thousands cross in small boats from France to England. Perhaps ask them, why they think England is better than France?

After travelling through Italy and Spain 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Irrespective of where you were born and what flavour passport you have, the best country is one that delivers to most of your needs and scorns/prohibits most of what you dislike.

If you only know England/the UK then your choice is easy.

If you've experienced life (not a package holiday or running through as many countries as you can during your gap year), you can then start to decide which nation is best for you (fuck everybody else, they can make their own choices based on their own needs and wants).

My kids have lived in the Netherlands since 1998, but they are fierce UK patriots - more so, even than me, and I'm immensely proud of the (part of the) country I grew up in.

[Russ of the BML]

I don't think it is territory marking. I think its more a message to the Government to not forget the people that live here. What are you doing for us? What are you doing for our homeless, elderly and vulnerable? We are English and British. Don't fucking forget that. .

[BRANDED]

Indeed. If I lived in a shithole and could see there was a green and pleasant land managed by a lanyard class that hates itself and many of its people who are welcoming to the extreme I would make the effort to travel to that place of milk and honey.

[Westside]

Is England better than France, Italy or Spain for example? If so on what  basis? 
 

Thousands cross in small boats from France to England. Perhaps ask them, why they think England is better than France?

[Swiss.]

There are many things I'm proud of for being English and many I'm ashamed of. I could never understand why someone thinks their country is better. Is England better than France, Italy or Spain for example? If so on what  basis? 

I think it's a big stupid and ignorant and arguably patriotism breeds hatred. 

[Eerie Decent]

Where in Surrey did you exile to?

Assuming you didn't fancy hanging about wherever you were before?

I reckon you're from the Billy Bragg school of pointing fingers from his mansion in the middle of whitesville.

[violator]

.When you turn the flag into a weapon, you betray it. 

The only weapon here, is you.

[Westside]

"“This is ours. You don’t belong here.”

Illegal immigrants don't belong here.

[XKhammer]

Another loony left thread
My flag of St George is now going up to piss off the likes of Exile thanks for the encouragement 

[Mike Oxsaw]

For centuries - millennia even - flags have always been territorial markers or emblems of support.

Why should anyone fear such an item reinforcing that claim?

In England, the English flag should command the respect of all who live in England and the society (singular) it represents.

It needs to be claimed back from the extremists whom the state allowed to appropriate it.

England is not invading England - although perhaps it needs to?

If those flag-flying ideals don't sit well with you, there are plenty of other nations for you to try out for size.

[only1billybonds]

EIS.

What would you consider is a reasonable amount of young men who don't share our culture and who have no legal right to be here be allowed to stay here? And how many hotels near you are occupied by 'new illegal arrivals'.
Not looking for a row,genuinely interested.

[BRANDED]

what would you say a pride flag or a Palestinian flag has been saying? 

'I'm a flag wanker?"

[goose]

another thread about this shit, just what we need.

do you have some random twitter links you could post as well??

[Council Scum]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. 

You don't need too in future