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I was thoroughly looking forward to the start of this season

Was also prepared that things might take some time and wasn't expecting miracles over night What I didn't expect was a manager who after spending 6 weeks with the total dross he'd been left by Moyes would deem them fit to start in a premier league game And low and behold all of them played absolute shit

We're now 1 game in and none of our new players are any closer to bedding in or learning anything from their new team mates cos they barely spent a second on the pitch, half of them not at all I think it's gonna take somewhere between 6-10 games before we see the team anyone with an ounce of sense would play cos this bloke can't identify shit when he see's it I thought we was handed a miracle at half time when we went in level and low and behold he changed nothing I'm sure people are gonna make excuses for him and say it's too early to judge

But from what I've just seen today, this cսnt is David Moyes in a mission impossible mask

Manuel wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025, 14:38 We are going to be over half way through the season tomorrow - if you look at the large percentage of sackings in football they are usually made early on after a shit start or late on if there is a fear of the drop, we are not likely to fit into either situation. Who gets sacked in February when you're around mid table? Not many. So it's likely now he will be here until the summer, I doubt we will lose at home to Fulham and Palace anyway.

Manuel wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025, 14:38 We are going to be over half way through the season tomorrow - if you look at the large percentage of sackings in football they are usually made early on after a shit start or late on if there is a fear of the drop, we are not likely to fit into either situation. Who gets sacked in February when you're around mid table? Not many. So it's likely now he will be here until the summer, I doubt we will lose at home to Fulham and Palace anyway.

We are going to be over half way through the season tomorrow - if you look at the large percentage of sackings in football they are usually made early on after a shit start or late on if there is a fear of the drop, we are not likely to fit into either situation. Who gets sacked in February when you're around mid table? Not many. So it's likely now he will be here until the summer, I doubt we will lose at home to Fulham and Palace anyway.

Here's how I see it......

We get beat comfortably by Citeh. I forecast around 4-0 (possibly more). We get beat and knocked out the cup by Villa and, again, I would suggest the score may be a bit closer but they will be comfortable on the day. Off the back of that Lope won't get sacked. Those two games will not define Sullivan's thought process around sticking or twisting. 

It's then the two games at home to Fulham and Palace as to where I see the battleground. If we get beat in those two then Sullivan surely will have absolutely no choice but to let Lope go. I think if we play well in these two games and pick up a minimum of 4 points, then that's Lope in for the season. 

 

Any player can look bad if the tactics and role hhey have within them does not suit their strengths. 

That is a big part of what Lopetegui has done in order to meet the objectives which included increasing possession and playing on the proverbial “front foot” which kind of equates to being far more entertaining. 

The pressing idea is great ( although I notice no one really doing the all out pressing from the front other than Spuds now) and “3box 3”, with players stepping into defence or attack or out back into midfield but you have to have the right players to do it. We dont especially in midfield.  Some like Alvarez, Soucek and even Mavropanus were better suited to a more structured, static set up that Moyes only used.  And Lopetegui seems wedded to his high line, advanced/inverted backs as Moyes was to low block and counter. Both tactically inflexible

Manuel wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025, 13:26 In short, we can only beat the teams at the bottom. It's a fucking joke. These are dark days indeed. I keep hearing we have some very good players, but do we? Bowen aside, and possibly Kudus on his day and AWB, I don't see much else elsewhere. Club is rotten from top to bottom and wouldn't expect much change once Lop goes, a bit like Man Utd. Fuck off.

In short, we can only beat the teams at the bottom. It's a fucking joke. These are dark days indeed. I keep hearing we have some very good players, but do we? Bowen aside, and possibly Kudus on his day and AWB, I don't see much else elsewhere. Club is rotten from top to bottom and wouldn't expect much change once Lop goes, a bit like Man Utd. Fuck off.

Every day is Groundhog Day since that creepy dwarf took over - we still have to endure this miserable grot while waiting for the inevitable sacking, which always drags on and on. 

I still can’t quite fathom how the tramp we now have has been so utterly useless that he’s been unable to change anything from the coma-inducing grot Moyes served up. The players still play like they’ve never trained together, they still can’t pass a fucking football, they’re still unable to stamp any kind of authority, no matter who we play, there’s still no leadership on the pitch, still no decent forward. It’s the same old disjointed, amateurish mess.

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑03 Jan 2025, 09:24

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:28

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:20

 

And Harlow.

Also about to open one in Braintree Freeport.

And? If West Ham opened shops all over Spain would you say they had a massive Spanish fanbase?

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:28

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:20

Just because Spurs have shops in Chelmsford and Southend. Most people I know who live in Chelmsford support West Ham again. 

Not arguing - Just interested. 

And Harlow.

Also about to open one in Braintree Freeport.

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:28

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:20

Just because Spurs have shops in Chelmsford and Southend. Most people I know who live in Chelmsford support West Ham again. 

Not arguing - Just interested. 

And Harlow.

Also about to open one in Braintree Freeport.

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.

 

The difference for Spurs I thought was all down ti commercials. The naming rights on the stadium is a big earner? And the events they hold earn a few bob (NFL, concerts) whereas as we earn diddly squat. 

They were also regularly earning euro qualification revenues whereas we only had the 3 years.

The next level fir us would be euro qualification most years. We got there and in 2022/23 the “sliding doors” moment happened with Sullivan and Moyes not strengthening the squad and not being able to change the way we played.  Unfortunately Lopetegui is failing in the latter too. Its not easy and relies on excellent recruitment not just spending a large sum of money. Excellent recruitment requires a long term strategy, getting in a DOF and execs and coaches, at all levels to align with it and look for young players, to develop them and accept selling one or two for a huge profit to fund the multi season building process.

And finally for a long term strategy and vision you need execllent, insightful, intelligent leadership. We have David Sullivan a dinosaur, egomaniac who thinks he knows better than anyone ( narcissistic).

We will never up our revenues by £150 million a year. We have to get into Europe most seasons, and have our own stadium.  Thank you Mr Sullivan. 

Russ of the BML" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 16:20

Just because Spurs have shops in Chelmsford and Southend. Most people I know who live in Chelmsford support West Ham again. 

Not arguing - Just interested. 

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:58

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.





 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

Spurs have shops at Chelmsford and Southend too.

Best supported club in Essex by some distance.

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:58

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.





 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

Spurs have shops at Chelmsford and Southend too.

Best supported club in Essex by some distance.

 

mallard wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:53 Spurs have their own stadium - we don’t 

Mad Ferret" wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:58

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.




 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

Spurs have shops at Chelmsford and Southend too.

Best supported club in Essex by some distance.

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.



 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:51

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.





 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

Fair enough and yes the West Ham shop at lakeside seems pointless.

That said I wouldn't have thought Spurs and our revenue would have been that much different.

 

Eh? I was responding to your suggestion we have similar revenue 

mallard wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:53 Spurs have their own stadium - we don’t 

Spurs have their own stadium - we don’t 

goose wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:39

Ladysmith wrote: ↑02 Jan 2025, 15:29 Man United are doing a massive sale in their souvenir shop to aid PSR.

Spurs have a massive football megastore that sells everything and makes them a ton!

All we have is a couple of shops and a very limited choice!

This is where we are missing out financially.



 

 

1) Doing a massive sale isn't going to move the needle for PSR. Selling stuff at a discount isn't going to make much profit. They're more likely doing it to shift stock that will be terminal come March.
2) Most people shop online. The retail stores away from stadiums make fuck all. Spurs have a shop in Harlow thats always empty.
3) Comparing us to those two clubs is laughable. Spurs revenue is miles ahead of ours........... manchester united is lightyears ahead.

You've got to admit, that's fucking tragic how Spurs can't win Trophies at all levels before us with all their financial muscle eh?