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"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

"RB - haha! So true! Even though I love them dearly, I am acutely aware that the Jets are a regular shitshow. But nobody gets close to the Godzilla-like enormity of the Cowgirls' insanity! Jerry Jones is the lunatic Woody wants to be."

"South. There's a very good reason why everybody loves Jerry Jones and ""Them Cowboys.!"""

"RB - I totally agree. But the problem is that the owner personally recruited Rodgers, who missed last season and has one guaranteed year left on his mega-contract. The owner is in ""win now"" mindset. But, with the exception of two seasons under Rex Ryan, Woody has never overseen a franchise that can ""win now"" and doesn't know what it looks like. So, most likely, it will be another shitshow!"

A couple of weeks out from the Draft it always starts to go mental. The media crank up the hype too 11. Every fan with a social media site. Start's banging out rumours like Radio Hanoi. And of course. Owners and coaches want their five minutes of BS. You hope.When the time to pick arrives. The GM is the last person around with their sanity still in place.! Even with a good draft. It will take a very good season for the Jets to leapfrog the Bills in the AFC East. And that ain't counting the Fin's . Who could finally click.? The sensible thing to do would be ignore the noise. And build for the future.

"Personally, I'd play it coy with the #10 pick. If they can't agree on an obvious choice when the pick comes, I'd be more than prepared to trade it out and pick up a late Rnd1 and a Rnd2. There's a lot of depth at tackle and guard in this draft, and a couple of 'project' QBs further down the pecking order who you might want to look at. I'm not sure the people actually making the decisions are that shrewd, though. We'll see."

"But they could take a top-level inside guard or centre. Honestly, the o-line was diabolical and battered up last season. We signed expensive tackles before, and they turned out to be failures or looking for one big payday. Again, hard to know if that's because we have a HC with poor offensive knowledge and a poor OC, or something worse. You're right though: they will use the free agent signings to say the line is sorted. So it'll probably be Woody's weapon for Rodgers or Saleh's (probably shrewd) defensive pick. If it's a tackle/guard, they've seen sense and listened to Douglas."

"you've just signed two starting tackles, unless you're going to sit someone like Joe Alt (who I think goes earlier) for a year, it's completely against their 'win now' policy taking yet another tackle"

"Our O-line was the worst in the league last season. Horrendously bad, which didn't help Zach Wilson. We did sign a couple of linemen in free agency, but I'd probably start there in the draft. Set up a strong line: give the big heads currently in the 'skills' positions (Hall is exempt!) no excuses if they fail again next year. The line protects Rodgers. If he still has some arm strength, Rodgers wins you games. Douglas is right - and the most level-headed person in the back office."

"TM/RB, Without boring you all too much(!), it's a tricky early draft for the Jets - and one complicated by the dysfunctional relationships and broken professionalism at the heart of the franchise. Woody Johnson (owner): wants a headline offensive weapon around Rodgers. Rob Saleh (HC): is most likely unsure of which offensive players genuinely constitute a top-ten pick and will instinctively reach for a defensive player (which he knows well). Joe Douglas (GM): Probably wants an offensive tackle but seems to have been sidelined. In all truth, however, there are really only two picks with #10 that make sense. Douglas is right: we need a nailed on, seven-year starter on the offensive line (OT or Guard) - somebody the QB can trust to block and running backs can trust to open space. The other sensible option is the one nobody wants to talk about: drafting the long-term QB likely to replace Rodgers if he leaves in December when his contract expires and he's 41 years-old. We did that, for example, when we drafted Pennington in the first round despite having Testaverde (who was good for us) as starter at the time. But nobody - not the owner, HC, GM or OC - is talking about the long-term plan. That has gone out of the window. So the head says OT or QB. But it'll be interesting to see what the lunatics running the asylum do..."

Thomas at 10 is a reach. (But it ain't as if the Jets have ever done that before.?) Bowers is the no brainier. So no doubt he will end up elsewhere.

"they signed two starting tackles in free agency, I think it will be Thomas or Brock Bowers"

Harrison and Odenze are going to be long gone before the Jets get choosy. The top 4 QB's and the top 3 WR's all gone by Atlanta at 8. OT for the Jets.

"SB, what position are they thinking about? you've just signed Williams who had just left the Chargers, which is a bit strange as there's three really good bigger body receivers in this draft (Harrison/Odunze/Thomas Jr). I'm sure one of them would have been there when you picked. you also still have Lazard"

"TM - the row between the owners and Saleh is most likely because Saleh wants himself (and probably Joe Douglas, who the HC gets on with) to decide draft picks. Woody, having gone on a personal mission as owner to land Rodgers, wants to put offensive weapons around the QB. But when assessing draft picks, Saleh will inevitably have stronger views about defensive players. The row seems to have come to a head over how the two men - Saleh and Woody Johnson - think we should use the #10 pick. It's like a smaller, shittier and far less important (within the NFL) version of the fall-out between Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson!"

RB - that is all too true!

"""...but I thought you just said it was the GM, with the say so of the owners, that agreed to hiring Hackett, who most teams wouldn't have touched with a barge pole after Denver?"" TM - sorry mate, I probably wasn't being very clear: I don't think Joe Douglas had much at all to do with the appointment of Hackett as OC - at all. I'm quite sure the owners, in their lustful rush to land Rodgers (Woody visited Rodgers at the QBs home before anybody else) were all too keen to let Rodgers pick an OC he's pals with. I doubt Douglas had much choice, and I doubt Saleh knows a good OC when he sees one. Hackett is probably not a good OC - he just happens to be mates with Rodgers, who is the talent. But where people can absolutely say that some of this is the fault of Saleh, is that he has really not made much attempt to improve his understanding of the offensive game since becoming a head coach. You have to. You can't just be a 100% specialist defense guy. Because even if you are not really going to call the offensive plays (Saleh does have oversight of our offense), at the very least you have to know who is a good - and who is a poor - offensive co-ordinator. I genuinely don't think Saleh has worked hard enough on his offensive knowledge. So when Rodgers wanted Hackett (and the owners wanted Rodgers), he went along with it all - probably unaware of what level of talent his OC does or doesn't have. That's not a good look for a HC. And Douglas (GM) has been emasculated by the owners. I like Saleh. He's a fine defensive mind. But I liked Rex Ryan's defensive mind (even more) - and he was dreadful on offense."

Love the Jets. Even when it's a hurricane of shit for the Giants. You can always guarantee the Jets will out do them when it comes to shitness.! Go G Men.

"""they are partially correct about Saleh: he has been too focused on defense and hasn't improved his understanding of how to score points."" but I thought you just said it was the GM, with the say so of the owners, that agreed to hiring Hackett, who most teams wouldn't have touched with a barge pole after Denver? I'm struggling to see how it's Saleh's fault when he was probably forced to have Hackett on his staff. it sounds like an untenable position for me"

"FC - the Ryan family were basically a university of defense! Those apples did not fall far from the tree. Even the other son, Rob, was a good defensive mind. Buddy, and then later Rex, threw defensive shapes at teams that they had never seen before. When Rex brought back his dad's old skool 46-Bear formation - an ultra-aggressive pass-rush system out of base or nickel - even Tom Brady struggled at first. He got used to it, though."

"Don't get me wrong, as much as I don't like the Johnsons as owners, they are partially correct about Saleh: he has been too focused on defense and hasn't improved his understanding of how to score points. That has fed through into his coaching choices, draft picks etc. He's a Grade A defensive coach. He's ungraded on offense. I'm generally against players running the show, but maybe it will do the Jets some good if Rodgers has more say on play-calling. The risk is that old bighead will try to take over. That could split the dressing room."

"Don't get me wrong, as much as I don't like the Johnsons as owners, they are partially correct about Saleh: he has been too focused on defense and hasn't improved his understanding of how to score points. That has fed through into his coaching choices, draft picks etc. He's a Grade A defensive coach. He's ungraded on offense. I'm generally against players running the show, but maybe it will do the Jets some good if Rodgers has more say on play-calling. The risk is that old bighead will try to take over. That could split the dressing room."

"they let rodgers choose the OC? hahahahaha. it's snyder levels of dysfunction. as soon as owners intefere in the process, it's over. we've just watched a quarter of a century of that clown show shit in washington"

"Yeah, Hackett was 100% Rodgers' choice for OC: the club will deny it, but they definitely let Rodgers pick his own man. At that point, I'd say Joe Douglas (GM) lost control and oversight of the franchise at playing level - and we now have a three-way battle of wills between Woody, Rodgers and Saleh. Douglas and Hackett have, for different reasons, become secondary considerations. It's a shame, too, because I like Joe Douglas and he was helping to gradually improve what was an awful roster. But the moment the owners decided they wanted Rodgers, any plan for a patient build went out the window. If you're a GM and you're told in no uncertain terms that the owners are going to visit Rodgers, then you've lost oversight of recruitment."

"sbb, that reminds me of Buddy Ryan, great DC but not so much as a HC."

"why aren't they questioning the GM? isn't he the reason you mortgaged the franchise on Rodgers, and then hired Hackett as the OC after doing such a horrendous job in denver?"