Freddie Potts goes on loan

[Fauxstralian]

Season long to Championship Portsmouth Turns 20 next month

[Jasnik]

Lopetegui --> but hasn't he given more time to the youth than ever Moyes did. 
Moyes only started to play them when he knew his time was up. 

Lets see. He might have to soon if our injuries and suspensions start to build up. 
Biggest shame is the players who he could play are actually out on loan. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

Arsenal, Liverpool and the others mentioned field young players who are really, really good and ready for the 1st team squad. Presumably, since any head coach who isn't certfiably insane will aim to pick his best team, ours haven't been that good. So if you're looking to blame anyone, blame Moyes who was in charge for years, Steitden, Sullivan or Noble, not Lopetegui who won't have had a chance to change outcomes within the youth system yet, even if it's his responsibility, which it probably isn't.

Like you’re good at judging young talent, Pointy. What did you say about Rice when Bilic first took the risk to play him?

Something about Rice being “nothing but a squad player”, right?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Arsenal, Liverpool and the others mentioned field young players who are really, really good and ready for the 1st team squad. Presumably, since any head coach who isn't certfiably insane will aim to pick his best team, ours haven't been that good. So if you're looking to blame anyone, blame Moyes who was in charge for years, Steitden, Sullivan or Noble, not Lopetegui who won't have had a chance to change outcomes within the youth system yet, even if it's his responsibility, which it probably isn't.

[goose]

To put it brutally, no manager since Bilic has had the incentive to take the risk with the youth. 

Why is anyone surprised they’re not getting playing time?

more inane bullshit.

If a youth team player is good enough then he will play. The incentive is having better players on the pitch.

There is not one youth player who has left the club and gone on to achieve much of anything. If this current crop are good enough then they will play. There's a few just on the cusp of breaking through.

[Hammer and Pickle]

To put it brutally, no manager since Bilic has had the incentive to take the risk with the youth. 

Why is anyone surprised they’re not getting playing time?

[ATHammer]

Potts; Earthy; Scarles; Casey; Kudua; Marshall and Orford must all, at some level, wonder why they are wasting their time at West Ham. It is highly unlikely that they would all make premier league first team players. However, they must all look with real envy at Liverpool; City; Arsenal and, even Manchester United and see the under 20's at those clubs getting game time. Elsewhere talent gets a chance and even establishes itself in the first team when good enough or is sold to another "top team". At West Ham they employ "coaches" of the first team who deliberately do not play youngsters, indeed Lopetegui did not even mention youth when citing his three "KPI's". Her did mention bedding down the new signings was his remit. It is noticeable that the youngest of them, Guilherme and Summerville, get the least chances. On that basis alone he has failed one of his declared KPI's.
There have been times this season when Scarles; Orford; Casey; Guilherme and Summerville could have had game time and would probably have really struggled to have been as bad as those they would have replaced. It never substantially happened.  
Piss poor stewardship of the club by the board and a waste of talent by the coach.
We will probably never know whether the above promising youngsters are actually that good as it is unlikely  that they will get the chance to shine at West Ham. 
Academy of football? is it bollocks!
  

[Hammer and Pickle]

I know it’s easier to integrate players into a successful team but notice Arsenal are giving a 17yo regular appearances plus the other one … Skelly?
Given we smashed Arsenal 5-1 in the FA Youth Cup final you’d hope some of ours might have broken through
Cant believe Potts or Earthy couldn’t have been more effective than the plodder Rodriguez for example 

Bit of a vicious circle now, isn’t it. Moyes’s relative success belied a lack of squad development focus and an over-reliance on Rice. Now the wrong first team manager has been appointed, almost certainly because he was the cheapest option, and Rice has been sold, performances are dire and the prospects of getting anyone either from outside the club or within look bleak. I think the window of opportunity was right after the European success but Sullivan was just too cheap to say thank you to Moyes properly and too narrow-minded in football terms to see the opportunity to kick on. So here we are in a right old pickle.

[Fauxstralian]

I know it’s easier to integrate players into a successful team but notice Arsenal are giving a 17yo regular appearances plus the other one … Skelly?
Given we smashed Arsenal 5-1 in the FA Youth Cup final you’d hope some of ours might have broken through
Cant believe Potts or Earthy couldn’t have been more effective than the plodder Rodriguez for example 

[goose]

I’m almost certain that if Lotepegui had a long-term programme for Academy players, it has been sidelined by the imperative to post the right financial numbers today and buried by the power struggle in the Board. 

You cannot be this dumb.

Please tell me how your made up "long term programme" would be side lined to post the right financial numbers............. it's such a stupid statement that i don't know where to begin with it (aside from the fact you've made it up).

Academy products are the key to working around PSR because they are booked as 100% profit - just like Declan Rice was.

[Hammer and Pickle]

I’m almost certain that if Lotepegui had a long-term programme for Academy players, it has been sidelined by the imperative to post the right financial numbers today and buried by the power struggle in the Board. 

[scott_d]

While there’s no player-development structure being applied by the first team regime, there’s little chance for a player of this kind to break through. There’s clearly no profit motive for Sullivan, having to admit Bilic was right to give Rice the break is just too much for his ego to bear and the power-struggle over Steidten is blocking everything anyway

Agree with this - there is no long-term plan or clear pathway for the young players by the looks of it.

Scarles and Casey both say hi. 

Hopefully we don't lose these 2 but for me we are not really a club that gives youth a proper chance any more.  At least we certainly weren't under Moyes.  The odd appearance here and there is not what I would call an opportunity, and Mubama, Perkins, Longelo etc tend to agree. (regardless of how success their moves have been or will be).

It's taken Lopetegui 6 months to give our young players a chance which is ok with me if he has a long term plan for them too, but that might be irrelevant if he's not here much longer.

I like Brighton's model where they have to field a certain amount of academy players - I can't remember the exact rule but I think as the Academy of Football we should be looking to do something similar as it forces the club to spend more time and effort on the young players.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The Popeye's like him ..
 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Ladyspurs sent me a homoerotic Whomail.

Did it involve a Shetland pony?

[Ladysmith]

Billy,

Grow up geeza.

Oh thats a bit lame lost the argument and now all you've got is grow up geeza..

Try a bit harder next time son...

Ignore him he is just a Spurs fan on a wind-up

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Billy,

Grow up geeza.

Oh thats a bit lame lost the argument and now all you've got is grow up geeza..

Try a bit harder next time son...

[Mad Ferret]

Billy,

Grow up geeza.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Although Ladysmith is certainly a troll, I do agree with him/her regarding Potts.

Are you another newby Spurs fan ???

The lad is 20 years old, just.... if he's playing better than a team and opposition full of men in the Championship then there is more than a chance he could still make it in the Prem... the problem he and other youth players have had over the recent years is there has been a reluctance to try them in the team.

I bet you were one of those who threw a tantrum when Diangana got sold.

Clearly another cock who doesnt like his opinion tested... apart from suggesting your loyalties lie elsewhere which isnt the first example from you, is there anything I wrote that is factually incorrect.

Maybe if someone at Hereford or Hull had suggested he'd found his level then Jarrod Bowen might still be playing in the Championship now?

Even then why is it so wrong to want the youth players we have developed to succeed especially ones that appear to be thriving in a Championship side that is struggling.

Its muppets like you that write our young players off that are the problem not those of us that want to see them progress.

[Massive Attack]

While there’s no player-development structure being applied by the first team regime, there’s little chance for a player of this kind to break through. There’s clearly no profit motive for Sullivan, having to admit Bilic was right to give Rice the break is just too much for his ego to bear and the power-struggle over Steidten is blocking everything anyway

Agree with this - there is no long-term plan or clear pathway for the young players by the looks of it.

Scarles and Casey both say hi. 

[scott_d]

While there’s no player-development structure being applied by the first team regime, there’s little chance for a player of this kind to break through. There’s clearly no profit motive for Sullivan, having to admit Bilic was right to give Rice the break is just too much for his ego to bear and the power-struggle over Steidten is blocking everything anyway

Agree with this - there is no long-term plan or clear pathway for the young players by the looks of it.

At least this might exist between the youth managers at kids level up to Development Squad, but there doesn't appear to be much thought about taking the biggest step of all into the first team.

We need to have an identity and a philosophy and implement that from the youngsters to the first team,  then recruit players to coaches to managers that fit into that philosophy.  

Obviously at a very young age you need to learn the basics and all principles and syles in order to give a good grounding, but they should always be reminded of how we play at West Ham (or how we intend to play)

In my opinion that is how you get a better success rate with the young players.

[Mad Ferret]

Although Ladysmith is certainly a troll, I do agree with him/her regarding Potts.

Are you another newby Spurs fan ???

The lad is 20 years old, just.... if he's playing better than a team and opposition full of men in the Championship then there is more than a chance he could still make it in the Prem... the problem he and other youth players have had over the recent years is there has been a reluctance to try them in the team.

I bet you were one of those who threw a tantrum when Diangana got sold.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Although Ladysmith is certainly a troll, I do agree with him/her regarding Potts.

Are you another newby Spurs fan ???

The lad is 20 years old, just.... if he's playing better than a team and opposition full of men in the Championship then there is more than a chance he could still make it in the Prem... the problem he and other youth players have had over the recent years is there has been a reluctance to try them in the team.

[Mad Ferret]

Although Ladysmith is certainly a troll, I do agree with him/her regarding Potts.

[BillyJenningsBoots]

1 assist today in a 4-0 smashing of Swansea. 

Rating of 7.8 - highest rated player of both teams. 


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That is not the premiership though.

i think he will have a good career at that level but no higher.

I agree another example for the Mods to blatantly ignore!

[Hammer and Pickle]

While there’s no player-development structure being applied by the first team regime, there’s little chance for a player of this kind to break through. There’s clearly no profit motive for Sullivan, having to admit Bilic was right to give Rice the break is just too much for his ego to bear and the power-struggle over Steidten is blocking everything anyway

[Massive Attack]

Can't see anyone demanding guaranteed starts otherwise you're verging on 3rd party influence. They can always encourage and hope they play them more but ultimately it's down to a manager to decide what they want to do with any of their players available to them.

I'd be more inclined to leave Earthy there for the season to get more experience in the game in a tough battling League and bring Potts back out of the two. He's looking good at the role he peforms and impresses wherever he plays now be it Wycombe or Portsmouth. His youthful energy, tidiness on the ball and speed in the middle would be a benefit certainly above Rodriguez. That's the replacement in the Squad I would make then fuck Rodriguez right off out of it.