The 5-1 scoreline suggested we were comprehensively beaten start to finish which did not appear to be the case from what I saw. It looked like we were in the match until 60 minutes when they brought on the rest of their normal starters, so yes that was slightly encouraging that we could at least have our act together for 2/3 of a difficult tie and didn't really get out of hand until a dubious red card.
So what you're saying is that we looked OK and were only 3-1 down when 11 v 11 and playing their reserves?
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Gank wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 22:15
It’s not wasted, they were all agreeable signings. Perhaps the priorities were all wrong but we are a stronger squad than the negative ginger bellend left us with and we’re trying to play in a more positive way but it isn’t working. At all. Let’s face it, Lopetegui was the supporter’s last choice out of the list being touted but I’d still much prefer him than Moyes.
Not wasted? Name one positive? Todibo & Kilman, shit.
Wan Bissaka, average. Fullkrug & Rodrigues, not good enough and Summerville too lightweight.
We needed pace and we got nothing.
I can name more than one positive. Wan Bissaka is a much, much better player than Ben Johnson. Summerville is lots better than Benrahma. Kilman is streets ahead of Zouma. Fulkrug instead of Duran is bewildering but nobody was complaining after his performance in the Euros and let’s face it, if Moyes had signed him your pants would look like a bag of smashed up Dairylea triangles.
It all made sense up until 'can'
dearylea cheese triangles go well with marmite on toast.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Not wasted? Name one positive? Todibo & Kilman, shit.
Wan Bissaka, average. Fullkrug & Rodrigues, not good enough and Summerville too lightweight.
We needed pace and we got nothing.
I can name more than one positive. Wan Bissaka is a much, much better player than Ben Johnson. Summerville is lots better than Benrahma. Kilman is streets ahead of Zouma. Fulkrug instead of Duran is bewildering but nobody was complaining after his performance in the Euros and let’s face it, if Moyes had signed him your pants would look like a bag of smashed up Dairylea triangles.
Kilman streets ahead of Zouma? Assume you mean a crocked Zouma? A fully fit Zouma is a different level to Kilman.
Kilman would do well alongside a strong leader...
This Todibo bloke looks like he couldn't give a fuck.
Send him back.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
I said all summer that Summerville was the only decent signing amongst all the dross 'loser Lop' and 'guru Tim' spunked £150 million on. Summerville is a great winger and has great potential. He is a little too lightweight at times though.
Anyway, proven right yet again
Not gonna pop into the Brentford thread where you were proved 100% wrong, not an opinion like this which hasn't been proved right but a stone cold fact where you're wrong
Ah, look at Fraser back to his saddo stalking ways. Get a life, pal.
Id tread lightly if I was you.
Fraser is a season ticket holder...double hard..and fleet of foot .
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Gank wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 22:15
It’s not wasted, they were all agreeable signings. Perhaps the priorities were all wrong but we are a stronger squad than the negative ginger bellend left us with and we’re trying to play in a more positive way but it isn’t working. At all. Let’s face it, Lopetegui was the supporter’s last choice out of the list being touted but I’d still much prefer him than Moyes.
Not wasted? Name one positive? Todibo & Kilman, shit.
Wan Bissaka, average. Fullkrug & Rodrigues, not good enough and Summerville too lightweight.
We needed pace and we got nothing.
I can name more than one positive. Wan Bissaka is a much, much better player than Ben Johnson. Summerville is lots better than Benrahma. Kilman is streets ahead of Zouma. Fulkrug instead of Duran is bewildering but nobody was complaining after his performance in the Euros and let’s face it, if Moyes had signed him your pants would look like a bag of smashed up Dairylea triangles.
Kilman streets ahead of Zouma? Assume you mean a crocked Zouma? A fully fit Zouma is a different level to Kilman.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 27 Sep 2024, 00:41
by Monsieur merde de cheval
COOL HAND LUKE" wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024, 11:13
Looks like some of our lads have downed tools already. We need a 'clear the air' meeting with the squad before this turns into a relegation scrap...
I agree.
They look like a bunch of individuals ...never a good thing for a club like us.
Players jogging back..no one geeing up the lads..
The capitulation after the sending -off was typical of a weak group
A couple of strong characters in that squad would make a big difference.
We have none
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Gank wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 22:15
It’s not wasted, they were all agreeable signings. Perhaps the priorities were all wrong but we are a stronger squad than the negative ginger bellend left us with and we’re trying to play in a more positive way but it isn’t working. At all. Let’s face it, Lopetegui was the supporter’s last choice out of the list being touted but I’d still much prefer him than Moyes.
Not wasted? Name one positive? Todibo & Kilman, shit.
Wan Bissaka, average. Fullkrug & Rodrigues, not good enough and Summerville too lightweight.
We needed pace and we got nothing.
I can name more than one positive. Wan Bissaka is a much, much better player than Ben Johnson. Summerville is lots better than Benrahma. Kilman is streets ahead of Zouma. Fulkrug instead of Duran is bewildering but nobody was complaining after his performance in the Euros and let’s face it, if Moyes had signed him your pants would look like a bag of smashed up Dairylea triangles.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
The 5-1 scoreline suggested we were comprehensively beaten start to finish which did not appear to be the case from what I saw. It looked like we were in the match until 60 minutes when they brought on the rest of their normal starters, so yes that was slightly encouraging that we could at least have our act together for 2/3 of a difficult tie and didn't really get out of hand until a dubious red card.
That was my view too. Nowhere near as bad as last time. At least for that hour. We weren’t in the game at all last year.
Not to say we don’t have huge problems. But the team Moyes put out last year was worse.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
The 5-1 scoreline suggested we were comprehensively beaten start to finish which did not appear to be the case from what I saw. It looked like we were in the match until 60 minutes when they brought on the rest of their normal starters, so yes that was slightly encouraging that we could at least have our act together for 2/3 of a difficult tie and didn't really get out of hand until a dubious red card.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 17:12
by twoleftfeet
kylay wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024, 16:00
Didn't see this one and saw the scoreline. Then I watched the extended highlights which I thought were slightly encouraging actually. 5-1 seemed to flatter them. I also thought Fab could have done better on goals 1, 2, and 4. That second yellow on Alvarez I thought was extremely harsh and never would have been given the other way if the circumstances were the same. He's clearly in front of Salah, clearly trying to play the ball, and only makes contact with the side of his foot at ground level. It's a foul but not yellow unless persistent infringement. It wasn't reckless, malicious, or a professional foul stopping a promising attack. I'm not getting my knickers in a twist because it went tits up after the red card. If that's a nailed on yellow, then every slide tackle that doesn't result in the defender getting the ball is a yellow. Alvarez has certainly been concerning this season and always seems to have a card in him. I wonder too how much his hamstring injury at Copa America over the summer is slowing him down.
Before that, they were getting in behind our back 4 but that was always going to be the case with Cresswell and Coufal playing. That we were able to keep it within reach as long as we did at least suggests some improvement. If we can start like that (hopefully not with those fullbacks) against Brentford and build on it, it's at least progress. I don't want to see Mavros in that one as his mental lapses are a significant problem for us. If we lose there, then Ipswich becomes a pressure cooker. I shudder to think if we lose them both. Still not willing to write off Lop just yet, but he MUST steady the ship and soon.
Slightly encouraging!!!! We lost 5-1 against Liverpool reserves.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 16:00
by kylay
Didn't see this one and saw the scoreline. Then I watched the extended highlights which I thought were slightly encouraging actually. 5-1 seemed to flatter them. I also thought Fab could have done better on goals 1, 2, and 4. That second yellow on Alvarez I thought was extremely harsh and never would have been given the other way if the circumstances were the same. He's clearly in front of Salah, clearly trying to play the ball, and only makes contact with the side of his foot at ground level. It's a foul but not yellow unless persistent infringement. It wasn't reckless, malicious, or a professional foul stopping a promising attack. I'm not getting my knickers in a twist because it went tits up after the red card. If that's a nailed on yellow, then every slide tackle that doesn't result in the defender getting the ball is a yellow. Alvarez has certainly been concerning this season and always seems to have a card in him. I wonder too how much his hamstring injury at Copa America over the summer is slowing him down.
Before that, they were getting in behind our back 4 but that was always going to be the case with Cresswell and Coufal playing. That we were able to keep it within reach as long as we did at least suggests some improvement. If we can start like that (hopefully not with those fullbacks) against Brentford and build on it, it's at least progress. I don't want to see Mavros in that one as his mental lapses are a significant problem for us. If we lose there, then Ipswich becomes a pressure cooker. I shudder to think if we lose them both. Still not willing to write off Lop just yet, but he MUST steady the ship and soon.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 12:51
by ,
Said it before but we need to learn how to defend at this level and sadly what is going on in play is no better than last season.
We are the Anthony Joshua of the EPL where one goal conceded finishes us.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 12:14
by collyrob
We need some athelticism in the middle, if we’re playing paqueta at the top of the 3 in the middle we need some legs behind him. Edson and guido run like they have parachutes attached to them.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 11:45
by Sir Alf
Some of us have “bored on and on” for years ( ok well i have and many others ) about the need for collective pace and agility in the team. Doesnt mesn every player but quite a few. They also need to be able to pass accurately with one and two touch before quickly moving. We yet again lack that this season and especially in the defensive midfield area and that along with other factors like poor decision making and misunderstanding of roles and tactics ( coaching / communication ) its costing dearly. It was less of an issue when we sat 9 behind the ball in a narrow “low block” but now we are trying to keep the ball and play out thru the opposition press its proving to be a real problem.
Like I say, its also tactics and understanding of roles, and not taking responsibility but every game we concede with a simple pass behind our back 3 or 4 ( centrally or wide left ( our right back ) ). Runners not able or just not being tracked by the defensive midfield and/or not bad positioning by CBs etc.
Its not a panacea for everything but a Kante, Caicedo level of pace in one or two of our defensive midfielders would help a lot. Its made worse because Kilman aint quick ( not sure about Tobibo) and Mavrapanos positioning etc means attackers simply given too much space to move into.
But other issues too seen again last night. Coufal far too slow and was simply sidestepped twice by Gakpo although Todibo turning his back and not putting his body on the line didnt help ( not brave, physical enough suggestion?).
Then I lost count of the times Alvarez, Coufal, Soucek and up top Ings and last might Bowen give the ball back so quickly with poor passing decisions or options. Partly because we dont have the athleticism as a team to create space and options but also technical execution not up to it in too many players. Im comparing to Villa, Liverpool, Chelsea and City but we look a level below just in playing simple passes. As mentioned possibly down to lack of movement, pace and getting pressed too easily.
We left some gaping holes with recruitment and looks like we simply got the wrong type ( one paced every player recruited excluding Sommerville).
Loppy has snookered himself as he tries to get us play a high line, possession game without some key player profiles to do it effectively in the Premiership ( its much faster than la liga).
His only way to get results unfortunately may be to revert back towards sitting deeper again in a quasi Moyesball set up. Because currently we will concede 2 every game we are so open.
So fvcking depressing. I saw some little patches of play last night but still not enough cutting edge and chasing shadows trying to get near the ball as the young Liverpool Ressies passed it around us.
Finally Todibo? Not a difference maker based on that. Comfortable in possession, good passer and interceptions but not physical in challemges at all. A Kind of slightly better version of Aguerd
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 11:13
by COOL HAND LUKE
Looks like some of our lads have downed tools already. We need a 'clear the air' meeting with the squad before this turns into a relegation scrap...
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
I said all summer that Summerville was the only decent signing amongst all the dross 'loser Lop' and 'guru Tim' spunked £150 million on. Summerville is a great winger and has great potential. He is a little too lightweight at times though.
Anyway, proven right yet again
Not gonna pop into the Brentford thread where you were proved 100% wrong, not an opinion like this which hasn't been proved right but a stone cold fact where you're wrong
Ah, look at Fraser back to his saddo stalking ways. Get a life, pal.
Stalking?
No just replying to your claim that you've been proven right, you haven't as it's early and it's you confirming your early opinion with your current opinion because it hasn't changed.
On the other hand you said to me Alverez will play Saturday because he doesn't get banned for a league game and that I was a thick cսnt for saying it.. Which isn't opinion and it's 100% wrong so in fact you've only been proven 100% wrong today not correct and your only defence of me questioning your 100% incorrect claim is to call me a stalker..
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024, 08:58
I thought summerville was excellent again. Even if we'd kept it competitive, the referee would have found a way to give them a chance. This whole tournament should be scrapped, it's lost any ounce of credibility it once had with these new rules favouring the bigger teams
I said all summer that Summerville was the only decent signing amongst all the dross 'loser Lop' and 'guru Tim' spunked £150 million on. Summerville is a great winger and has great potential. He is a little too lightweight at times though.
Anyway, proven right yet again
Not gonna pop into the Brentford thread where you were proved 100% wrong, not an opinion like this which hasn't been proved right but a stone cold fact where you're wrong
Ah, look at Fraser back to his saddo stalking ways. Get a life, pal.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024, 08:58
I thought summerville was excellent again. Even if we'd kept it competitive, the referee would have found a way to give them a chance. This whole tournament should be scrapped, it's lost any ounce of credibility it once had with these new rules favouring the bigger teams
I said all summer that Summerville was the only decent signing amongst all the dross 'loser Lop' and 'guru Tim' spunked £150 million on. Summerville is a great winger and has great potential. He is a little too lightweight at times though.
Anyway, proven right yet again
Not gonna pop into the Brentford thread where you were proved 100% wrong, not an opinion like this which hasn't been proved right but a stone cold fact where you're wrong
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 09:54
by Fauxstralian
Summerville adds pace & trickery and think will be good for us
I see the Premier league panel was 3-2 in favour of him getting that obvious penalty v Chelsea
AWB is a massive upgrade … just needs to be played at RIGHT BACK
Hopefully Todibo will step up & form a partnership with Kilman
The Brazilian kid seems a bizarre choice & the German at 31 also odd given the age of Ings & Antonio
In hindsight the £50m on those 2 could have financed a push for Duran
Im guessing Fulkrug Ings & Antonio cost more than Watkins & Duran did Villa
Its not always about the amount of money!
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 09:24
by Come On You Irons
Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑26 Sep 2024, 08:58
I thought summerville was excellent again. Even if we'd kept it competitive, the referee would have found a way to give them a chance. This whole tournament should be scrapped, it's lost any ounce of credibility it once had with these new rules favouring the bigger teams
I said all summer that Summerville was the only decent signing amongst all the dross 'loser Lop' and 'guru Tim' spunked £150 million on. Summerville is a great winger and has great potential. He is a little too lightweight at times though.
Anyway, proven right yet again
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 08:58
by Takashi Miike
I thought summerville was excellent again. Even if we'd kept it competitive, the referee would have found a way to give them a chance. This whole tournament should be scrapped, it's lost any ounce of credibility it once had with these new rules favouring the bigger teams
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 08:57
by THUNDERCLINT
Let's not pretend this was peak Klopp Liverpool. Forest managed a win and a clean sheet against their 1st XI at Anfield only 8 day ago. Fucking shambles, needs to go today. Flopetegui OUT.
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 08:53
by Rossal
Just another game where at the end you feel totally deflated and disappointed. Not many positives again to take.
Alvarez is shit at the moment what has happened to him? Bowen is also nowhere near his best.
2 years we have been watching Ings, Cresswell, Coufal and Soucek and saying how shit they are. Why are we still having to endure them away at Anfield?!?!
If the likes of Ghillerme and Orford are not better than those 4 then what is the manager and the club doing. If Orford can't produce better than Soucek or Rodriguez so far this season then why didn't we lob him out and get Duran instead of the German lump.
Feels like the season is bit of a write off already. Can't remember feeling so deflated and disappointed this early on in a while.
We can't defend and can't create chances from open play. It's not looking good!
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 08:33
by Sydney_Iron
First 20 min and I thought we were in with a shout! By HT I was thinking it was looking ominous……
And the rest is history
Re: Liverpool Vs West Ham | Carabao Cup | Match Thread | 25.9.24
Posted: 26 Sep 2024, 08:19
by fraser
The performance was much better than last ywars
Antonio looked good when he came on last night, best he's looked all season, should be used in that way. For a while in the second half we looked likely to equalise, we were never in it last season.
