WHO vs. KUMB

[Come On You Irons]

I had a look on KUMB yesterday and was struck by how much more active it is in on there. Multiple West Ham related threads, decent debate and much more activity.

This site remains moribund despite the good work setting up the new site. Seems the owners held out too long before sorting the server issue and the site has suffered as only a handful of active posters remain, many of whom are abusive keyboard warriors who offer nothing but hatred and pettiness.

I'm seriously tempted to bin off this site and switch to KUMB, and I can't be the first. Something needs to be done.

[Mike Oxsaw]

The ability, provided by Stubbo/wils, to blank out posters by making then foes has meant for me being able to avoid the bickerers and this Board’s Polish and Belvedere stream of consciousness windbags.

Not only do I see it as a huge advantage this facility also highlights just how many posts are, disproportionately, by the same twerps day after day.

I'm more than happy for someone with such a blinkered approach to life to cut themselves off from reality.

Easily pleased, some people, innit?

[Swiss.]

Much of the earlier WHO humour was naive and unintentional, some of it brilliantly self-depreciating - take Gank’s heron thread, Gentile’s evangelistic efforts and the outright blockbuster, Dancer’s Printer. But there’s a line between good-natured banter and piss-taking and petty, unfunny personal smears that was crossed on the old site years ago, at least in part because it was never properly enforced on those who consistently failed to respect it. My Kid’s Karate Instructor Fancies my Wife thread was a case in point. Perhaps it was ill-advised and naive of me to test whether there were enough adults on here to defend the banter line?

 

Pickle, I've been using this site for a lot longer than you. It has always been the wild west here. Just to give one example, we had the Alf Gandhi vs Justin R/everybody wars, culminating in AG contacting JR's employer, trying to get him sacked for things he said on WHO. The 'abuse' you receive on here is mild in comparison to the way things were in the past. If you think WHO had a golden age when conflict wasn't taken too far, you are very mistaken. 

That is very true Nurse and you forgot Millygate of course. However I think there was less stalking with saddos like Snide of Spam for example. 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The ability, provided by Stubbo/wils, to blank out posters by making then foes has meant for me being able to avoid the bickerers and this Board’s Polish and Belvedere stream of consciousness windbags.

Not only do I see it as a huge advantage this facility also highlights just how many posts are, disproportionately, by the same twerps day after day.

I disagree with everything you  say comma..
but I respect you ..

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

If you "Foe" posters who's style , attitude or content you disagree with, why should a mod get involved?

You'll never see or hear from then again, or do you actually want them publicly humiliated by being placed in some digital version of village stocks so you and others can lob virtual rotten fruit & eggs at them?

Bill the bomb  would have fitted right in on  kumb

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

The ability, provided by Stubbo/wils, to blank out posters by making then foes has meant for me being able to avoid the bickerers and this Board’s Polish and Belvedere stream of consciousness windbags.

Not only do I see it as a huge advantage this facility also highlights just how many posts are, disproportionately, by the same twerps day after day.

'twerp' is a long lost classic 

[goose]

The lack of self awareness is staggering.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Yes Ratched.

You have my attention.

[Nurse Ratched]

"You’re basically treated on here as a toxic windbag of no consequence at all, and rightly so."


Um...

[Hammer and Pickle]

The ability, provided by Stubbo/wils, to blank out posters by making then foes has meant for me being able to avoid the bickerers and this Board’s Polish and Belvedere stream of consciousness windbags.

Not only do I see it as a huge advantage this facility also highlights just how many posts are, disproportionately, by the same twerps day after day.

But there is this way of making sure you see my post, flyshitstain. And let me say this, you exemplify the petty, personal type who is totally incapable of addressing a content post. So all you have is “hurty words” about me posting from Poland, when actually, if you were really trying to say anything, you’d take the opportunity to engage. You’re basically treated on here as a toxic windbag of no consequence at all, and rightly so.

[Nurse Ratched]

Funny how your “hurty words” become my “death threats” Ratchet. Anyway, I apologised the next day - I had been enjoying some especially potent cocktails and there was a whole clunge of cunts doing “hurty words” all night at a single poster who was explaining how the populist right was Putin’s useful idiots in the Ukraine war. He was doing a good job but I thought I’d give the clunge a bit of its own medicine. Maybe it was a mistake but you clearly still haven’t recovered from the shock while he’s perfectly alright, as am I.

What?

[,]

The ability, provided by Stubbo/wils, to blank out posters by making then foes has meant for me being able to avoid the bickerers and this Board’s Polish and Belvedere stream of consciousness windbags.

Not only do I see it as a huge advantage this facility also highlights just how many posts are, disproportionately, by the same twerps day after day.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Funny how your “hurty words” become my “death threats” Ratchet. Anyway, I apologised the next day - I had been enjoying some especially potent cocktails and there was a whole clunge of cunts doing “hurty words” all night at a single poster who was explaining how the populist right was Putin’s useful idiots in the Ukraine war. He was doing a good job but I thought I’d give the clunge a bit of its own medicine. Maybe it was a mistake but you clearly still haven’t recovered from the shock while he’s perfectly alright, as am I.

[Takashi Miike]

"....so if you want to have a row about if someone is a Socialist or Fascist"


they're the same thing

[Mr Anon]

With respect disagreement/argument...I've got no problems with argument/disagreement about the thread topic within the thread....so if you want to have a row about if someone is a Socialist or Fascist for their presented views on a political thread relevant to that argument go right ahead...stick your head above the parapet and you get what you get.

My biggest issue on WHO is the cross-thread vendettas, and frankly the transfer of arguments from one thread to another that takes a topic away from the area of discussion...this makes it impossible for people to avoid the petty squabbles that they could choose to avoid by avoiding threads that incite it based on the topic.

And then there are the relentless "Fuck off [name] you cսnt" type messages, that offer no response or added thread value, in response to someone posting a view that is ON topic, just out of a dislike for an individual poster. 

I think if we were to ramp up moderation, the focus should be in keeping topics on topic, and just outright deleting squabbles that lack context to the thread they appear on.

*Awaits "Fuck off Stubbo, you cսnt" message. SWT.*



 

perhaps you should have a playpen thread? don't want to see anyone banned but would be great to see people arguing over multiple threads to be restricted in one room, until they can sort of call it quits for a bit

[stubbo-admin]

With respect disagreement/argument...I've got no problems with argument/disagreement about the thread topic within the thread....so if you want to have a row about if someone is a Socialist or Fascist for their presented views on a political thread relevant to that argument go right ahead...stick your head above the parapet and you get what you get.

My biggest issue on WHO is the cross-thread vendettas, and frankly the transfer of arguments from one thread to another that takes a topic away from the area of discussion...this makes it impossible for people to avoid the petty squabbles that they could choose to avoid by avoiding threads that incite it based on the topic.

And then there are the relentless "Fuck off [name] you cսnt" type messages, that offer no response or added thread value, in response to someone posting a view that is ON topic, just out of a dislike for an individual poster. 

I think if we were to ramp up moderation, the focus should be in keeping topics on topic, and just outright deleting squabbles that lack context to the thread they appear on.

*Awaits "Fuck off Stubbo, you cսnt" message. SWT.*

 

[Nurse Ratched]

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

I disagree

DIE!!

[Mr Anon]

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

I disagree

[Nurse Ratched]

We'll have to agree to disagree. 

[Hammer and Pickle]

“Hurty words” don‘t bother me at all. A toxic environment however is a tedious waste of time and energy, and it’s what is produced when instead of matching content with content there is an almost conditioned reaction of misinterpretation, misinformation, gaslighting and claptrap. Social media isn’t a magic space that turns people into cunts. It’s a space cunts and trolls turn into something normal people find tedious, demeaning and generally horrible.

[Nurse Ratched]

=12.35px"But I’m saying something slightly different about the overall culture of the site turning toxic around 2015."

You will probably disagree, but I think 'hurty words' on the forum are easily brushed off and are not important. I don't understand why it bothers you so much.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Much of the earlier WHO humour was naive and unintentional, some of it brilliantly self-depreciating - take Gank’s heron thread, Gentile’s evangelistic efforts and the outright blockbuster, Dancer’s Printer. But there’s a line between good-natured banter and piss-taking and petty, unfunny personal smears that was crossed on the old site years ago, at least in part because it was never properly enforced on those who consistently failed to respect it. My Kid’s Karate Instructor Fancies my Wife thread was a case in point. Perhaps it was ill-advised and naive of me to test whether there were enough adults on here to defend the banter line?

 

Pickle, I've been using this site for a lot longer than you. It has always been the wild west here. Just to give one example, we had the Alf Gandhi vs Justin R/everybody wars, culminating in AG contacting JR's employer, trying to get him sacked for things he said on WHO. The 'abuse' you receive on here is mild in comparison to the way things were in the past. If you think WHO had a golden age when conflict wasn't taken too far, you are very mistaken. 

 

 

That’s a fair point - I’ve only been on here since 2006 and it always was mental on here, and sometimes it was way out of line (Stansteadgate). But I’m saying something slightly different about the overall culture of the site turning toxic around 2015.

[wils]

I don't want to get bogged down, flogging my horse to death, but I'll just say that you sort of helped prove my point when you mentioned Brexit. We had a previous referendum on Europe over 40 years ago and although people disagreed on the subject, it did not divide the country with people demonising each other, calling each other thick, and ruining friendships. The difference this time was social media. Social media is poisonous.

 

Although I do agree that social media is corrosive, I think your horse is looking a bit worse for wear with this example as there are other important factors that made that referendum 40 years ago less fractious. The establishment and those aligned with it not getting their sense of entitlement punctured for one.

I think people make too much of the polarisation effect. It's definitely a thing but the underlying problem with social media is it bypasses the normal social filtering that takes place that historically resulted in us socialising with people with similar views to ourselves. Log on to a social media platform and you get exposed to the views of people you would not normally have that much contact with, and, worse, you are provided with the option to anonymously respond to them. So I don't think people changed it was just bound to happen. 

Internet forums like this predate social media but they are largely a self selecting group. West Ham fans are generally from a similar region and social class so we are a bit used to hearing the types views commonly held amongst that group. But still suffers from people feeling safe enough behind a keyboard in their pants to abuse people in a way they wouldn't in 'real life'

[Cabbige Savage]

Much of the earlier WHO humour was naive and unintentional, some of it brilliantly self-depreciating - take Gank’s heron thread, Gentile’s evangelistic efforts and the outright blockbuster, Dancer’s Printer. But there’s a line between good-natured banter and piss-taking and petty, unfunny personal smears that was crossed on the old site years ago, at least in part because it was never properly enforced on those who consistently failed to respect it. My Kid’s Karate Instructor Fancies my Wife thread was a case in point. Perhaps it was ill-advised and naive of me to test whether there were enough adults on here to defend the banter line?

 

Pickle, I've been using this site for a lot longer than you. It has always been the wild west here. Just to give one example, we had the Alf Gandhi vs Justin R/everybody wars, culminating in AG contacting JR's employer, trying to get him sacked for things he said on WHO. The 'abuse' you receive on here is mild in comparison to the way things were in the past. If you think WHO had a golden age when conflict wasn't taken too far, you are very mistaken. 

hand up who make frets to kill on WHO 🖐

[Nurse Ratched]

Much of the earlier WHO humour was naive and unintentional, some of it brilliantly self-depreciating - take Gank’s heron thread, Gentile’s evangelistic efforts and the outright blockbuster, Dancer’s Printer. But there’s a line between good-natured banter and piss-taking and petty, unfunny personal smears that was crossed on the old site years ago, at least in part because it was never properly enforced on those who consistently failed to respect it. My Kid’s Karate Instructor Fancies my Wife thread was a case in point. Perhaps it was ill-advised and naive of me to test whether there were enough adults on here to defend the banter line?

 

 

Pickle, I've been using this site for a lot longer than you. It has always been the wild west here. Just to give one example, we had the Alf Gandhi vs Justin R/everybody wars, culminating in AG contacting JR's employer, trying to get him sacked for things he said on WHO. The 'abuse' you receive on here is mild in comparison to the way things were in the past. If you think WHO had a golden age when conflict wasn't taken too far, you are very mistaken. 

[Bungo]

We had a previous referendum on Europe over 40 years ago and although people disagreed on the subject, it did not divide the country with people demonising each other, calling each other thick, and ruining friendships. The difference this time was social media. Social media is poisonous.

 

 

You are right. It is not exactly hot news but the massive polarisation that social media has caused (people tailoring their individual feeds so it is a complete reflection of what they already believe), has helped lead to everything being seen as black and white, with no possibility of any grey areas, and NO possibility whatsoever that anyone could possibly admit they were wrong in their initial assumption.

People are also chock full of firm opinions based on this partial and deeply flawed 'knowledge' too. Great prescience from Carl Sagan when he predicted the current 'celebration of ignorance' back in 1995. He was spot on nearly 30 years ago.

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/632474 ... children-s