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Match Centre:



Odds: 
West Ham: 19/5
Draw: 10/3
Bournemouth: 8/11

Pre-Match Press Conference:

https://www.youtube.com/live/CR-gSQpfTb8

Tactical Preview: 

https://youtu.be/IiKUsXLqtAM 


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Prediction: 3-1 Defeat and the end of Lopetegui.
Lineup:

Fabianski

Mavropanos
Todibo
Kilman
Wan Bissaka

Soler
Soucek
Paqueta

Bowen
Fullkrug
Kudus

Sometimes you've got to sit back ad admire the dedication and effort someone puts in to defend their position, even when it's blindingly obvious they're wrong.

Iraola was probably mentioned more times on here than he was on the Bournemouth AFC forum.

Massive... That didn't go to well for you son did it?

 

Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 13:19

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 13:14 So it's not a fair direct comparison then. Better to wait till the end of the season to get a much fairer picture of what's happened than just to compare a full season against the first 16 matches. Especially when it's the very beginning of a new manager's time at a Club as opposed to at the end of a 4 year reign.

Why is it not fair? It’s a direct comparison of average passes per game.

If it’s not fair to compare Lopetegui with Moyes yet you’ve wasted about 100 posts a day trying to tell everyone what a fantastic superior manager he is.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 13:14 So it's not a fair direct comparison then. Better to wait till the end of the season to get a much fairer picture of what's happened than just to compare a full season against the first 16 matches. Especially when it's the very beginning of a new manager's time at a Club as opposed to at the end of a 4 year reign.

So it's not a fair direct comparison then. Better to wait till the end of the season to get a much fairer picture of what's happened than just to compare a full season against the first 16 matches. Especially when it's the very beginning of a new manager's time at a Club as opposed to at the end of a 4 year reign.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 07:19 Also aint your stats comparison from last year over the course of a full season and not just after 16 League matches?

 

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 10:49

And Todibo 24, Kilman 27, Summerville 22, Guilherme 18, Soler 27 ain't young and dynamic enough in the summer... 

Couldn't disagree more on both points.

We were okay first half against a below par Bournemouth, who improved after the break. Fullkrug looks like yet another daft forward signing, but I'd still like to see more of him. Glad Lop is now up there with 'Arry in the twitch stakes, the absolute stig. 1-1 was a fair result.

Not vast amounts different, no. Still shipping a lot of goals. We are getting fullbacks higher and have more procession because we pass it around out back line more. I think we have the highest about of long/direct balls in the league. There’s been glimpses against Newcastle, Leicester and Bournemouth of some neat play, yes. But little at home.
Soler Rodriguez and fulkrug have no pace so no, are not dynamic. Summerville and Guilherme are not starters. 
We need to kick on now. Last three home performances have been poor at home Everton, arsenal and wolves. I’m looking for better against Brighton. 

 

Django wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 10:33 Agree with alf. I hope you’re right massive, but I am not seeing enough. The Bournemouth comparison doesn’t ring true for me as it was very obvious at an early stage that they were trying to do something very different. I do not see that with us.

Also the singing Iraola made in his first summer window were good young dynamic players (Scott being a good example) where is we signed Kilman, Rodriguez and fulkrug down the spine of our team.

Agree with alf. I hope you’re right massive, but I am not seeing enough. The Bournemouth comparison doesn’t ring true for me as it was very obvious at an early stage that they were trying to do something very different. I do not see that with us. Also the singing Iraola made in his first summer window were good young dynamic players (Scott being a good example) where is we signed Kilman, Rodriguez and fulkrug down the spine of our team.

Massive, I genuinely hope you are right and we are slowly seeing an upturn in form.  I’m not convinced but if we can start by setting up and performing well in back to back games by playing at least as well as we did ( particularly first half ) against Bournemouth then its possibly the start of an “upturn”.  I exclude the Wolves game because despite the win we were poor imo in terms of being a cohesive unit  ( joined up team).  We were better against Leicester I thought than Wolves but paid severely for profligacy in front of goal and the vulnerability to transitions was cruelly exposed once again. We coped better with those pretty well with those against the Cherries.  But with Soler out I’m half expecting another “one step forward one step back” performance.  

we shall see. 

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 08:54 If they're so good why were Adam Smith and Ryan Christie their most noticable players? They're shit and overperforming because they have a decent coach. 

We have decent players and a moron in charge.

The player gap is evident in the points spread. As efficiently as Bournemouth are playing the difference between us is exactly 2 wins because they're shit but well coached. 

Swap the coaches the result isn't close. We'd also have more points than Bournemouth 's 25 from the same fixtures. 

Flopetegui is a total fraud. 

 

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 08:54 If they're so good why were Adam Smith and Ryan Christie their most noticable players? They're shit and overperforming because they have a decent coach. 

We have decent players and a moron in charge.

The player gap is evident in the points spread. As efficiently as Bournemouth are playing the difference between us is exactly 2 wins because they're shit but well coached. 

Swap the coaches the result isn't close. We'd also have more points than Bournemouth 's 25 from the same fixtures. 

Flopetegui is a total fraud. 

 

If they're so good why were Adam Smith and Ryan Christie their most noticable players? They're shit and overperforming because they have a decent coach. 

We have decent players and a moron in charge.

The player gap is evident in the points spread. As efficiently as Bournemouth are playing the difference between us is exactly 2 wins because they're shit but well coached. 

Swap the coaches the result isn't close. We'd also have more points than Bournemouth 's 25 from the same fixtures. 

Flopetegui is a total fraud. 

Not sure about the actual stats. But what I noticed with Moyes vs Loppy is that Moyes’ teams didn’t know how to deal with a team that sat back against us. You could see Rice or someone asking team mates to show for the ball, actually wanting to be free for a pass. It was so weird to watch. They could only work the ball well if it was coming from a counter attack. And they would hug the touchlines, no real work in the midfield at all (because it didn’t really exist for us). 

That seems to have changed a lot now. We do have a midfield. We can sustain attacks and have far more scoring opportunities that come from having possession in the midfield area. 

I think some players now don’t look as good. Kudus feels like a classic counter attack player with his speed and skill but now he’s not getting that counter attack opportunity as much. Neither is Bowen. But I think Bowen is adapting. I think this will mean slower strikers like fullkurg should work better as we keep the ball up and recycle it in the opponents half. 

I just think it’s a slow rehab process taking us from that 20-30% possession side to a side where every player wants the ball and the primary move is a forward pass. 

I did also notice that when Soler went off we lost a bit of control to Bournemouth in the 2nd half. Seems to be a very important player for us now. If we can get another one like him and a striker in the window we might have something good. 
 

THUNDERCLINT wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 21:30

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 16:53 Iraola (who I like a lot) has failed to beat Lopetegui twice now this season and that was without a recognised Left Back in both games - 1 loss, 1 draw.

 

Bournemouth's players are shit. We have much better players.

Bournemouth battered us last night.

Swap the managers we win both games comfortably.

We've employed a wrong'un. It's been obvious for months now.

Also aint your stats comparison from last year over the course of a full season and not just after 16 League matches?

Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 21:22

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 20:00

I will admit the football is better to watch definitely and what he is trying to improve seems to be the right thing but our play is still literered with too many misplaced passes and unforced errors something that was also a feature of the Moyes era.





 

To put it in to perspective, last season we were 15th for passes, just behind Brentford. This season we are currently 13th, just behind Brentford. Whilst newly promoted and rock bottom Southampton are 5th.

So not a lot has changed.

Sorry - he even replaced Alvarez for Scarles at the same time as Kudus Summerville change to switch AW-B back over to the right and end up with a back five. Let’s hope he’s drawing the right conclusions from that.

Sir Alf" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 21:43 Is that passing accuracy Jaan?  If so, then yes, still a major area for improvement. Then again, needs to viewed in conjunction with the number of passes and the areas these passes are being made for more of a guidance on whether we have improved or not?

If we are making more passes and the % completion is the same then arguably proves we are trying to improve how we play but still the same problem executing the passes ( technique issues relating to first touch, control, decision making, movement or lack of ). And if more of those passes are in the middle or final thirds then it is naturally harder to complete them as we would be attempting them in ateas where there are more opposition players. Then you need to look at the type of passes, long, short, speed of passing etc. 

Thats the problem with a stat in isolation. Just one input. Maybe if we look at all the above stats along with using our eyes we may find things are improving more than we think?  Or is that wishful thinking?  It is isnt it ?

Hammer and Pickle" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 21:38 Disappointed he opted to take Kudus off rather than shift him back onto the right behind Bowen once Fullkrug and Summerville were on the pitch. Suppose he needed to see what Soucek could do in a midfield of Paqueta and Alvarez. Hope that’s clear now.

 

Is that passing accuracy Jaan?  If so, then yes, still a major area for improvement. Then again, needs to viewed in conjunction with the number of passes and the areas these passes are being made for more of a guidance on whether we have improved or not?

If we are making more passes and the % completion is the same then arguably proves we are trying to improve how we play but still the same problem executing the passes ( technique issues relating to first touch, control, decision making, movement or lack of ). And if more of those passes are in the middle or final thirds then it is naturally harder to complete them as we would be attempting them in ateas where there are more opposition players. Then you need to look at the type of passes, long, short, speed of passing etc. 

Thats the problem with a stat in isolation. Just one input. Maybe if we look at all the above stats along with using our eyes we may find things are improving more than we think?  Or is that wishful thinking?  It is isnt it ?

Disappointed he opted to take Kudus off rather than shift him back onto the right behind Bowen once Fullkrug and Summerville were on the pitch. Suppose he needed to see what Soucek could do in a midfield of Paqueta and Alvarez. Hope that’s clear now.