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West Ham: 19/10

Draw: 11/4

Brighton: 27/20


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So....on to the seagulls. Soler is suspended for this one, and Emerson is back...although I'd say Coufal was very good in the last game. Not clear yet if Todibo is recovered from his damaged toe.

My lineup
​​​​​​Fabianski

Coufal.  Todibo.   Kilman.  AWB

Soucek

Alvarez.        Paqueta

Bowen (c).     Fullkrug.          Kudus
Prediction:

​​​​​​The team once again has motivation through tragedy, with JLo's father passing away this week...I'd expect to seem them come out the blocks in this game.  Could be a basketball style match with us at home, Brighton playing a very high line, and also looking to get back with a win.

Score: 2-2 (Fullkrug, Kudus)​​​​
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Sir Alf" wrote: 24 Dec 2024, 11:21 But he can be coached to understand that 
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He gets all the support and understanding he needs from me and want to see him play through it and learn when it does go wrong. I'm a big fan of his and excited to see him develop in the future. I really do like his work going forward in particular. Left wing or centre midfield might be better suited for his game long term so be interesting to see how he develops. He looks versatile.
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Fair assessment Massive.  Got caught out positionally a couple of times as you say when Brighton played a ball thru the gap and in behind him for an overlapping wing back to run onto.  Not aware of everything around him and a little too far forward. But he can be coached to understand that and tbh has next to no experience of playing in the Prem which is a lot faster and intense than U21 games.  Scarles does have the technique, physicality and speed though and they are pre requisites that cannot be coached ( well perhaps technique but usually a player has to have that by early teens).

Is he ready for a regular starting birth in the first team.  No definitely not but hopefully over the next 12-18 months can develop to be a starter.  No guarantees but lpoks promising at this stage 👍
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Mex Martillo" wrote: 24 Dec 2024, 10:40 Probably said, but isn't Scarles looking good. So confident on the ball for a youngster stepping up to the Premier.
I'd have loved to see Scarles smash Bowen's cross at the goal instead of cutting it across to Soucek who was crowded out and fell over. Nice positioning and I am sure the confidence to go for goal will come.
Context is everything and overall I think he's done very well having been chucked in at the deep end and has done some really good work, especially going forward. Some nice bits defensively but he's clearly very raw.

Now the critical bit if he's to be treated as a Premier League player, he did fuck up on a couple of occasions that almost led to them scoring a winner. His positional play was poor leaving acres of space between him and his centre half as well as losing his man in behind far too easily. The point being I'm bringing this up as it just shows that the kids will make potentially costly mistakes and they need to be allowed to do that and learn from it. I don't mind it happening as that will be the trade-off when we want the kids introduced. They were bad errors though which almost led to them scoring. It got that bad and repeatedly happened near the end of the game that Lopetegui late on correctly decided to put him in Midfield and put Wan-Bissaka at Left Back. Was really good management that no one really picked up on during that last 10 minutes or so.

At only just turning 19 though I think he's applied himself very well with a bang on attitude and injected much needed youthful enthusiasm in the side. 
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Probably said, but isn't Scarles looking good. So confident on the ball for a youngster stepping up to the Premier.
I'd have loved to see Scarles smash Bowen's cross at the goal instead of cutting it across to Soucek who was crowded out and fell over. Nice positioning and I am sure the confidence to go for goal will come.
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Ron Eff" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 14:03
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 10:17
Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
It’s not just a bad defence. We aren’t scoring as much as last season too. Which kind of makes ‘the football is much better’ sound absolutely ridiculous.
Well it’s a debatable point so I don’t think “absolutely ridiculous” is fair just because you have a different opinion. 

Do I think the football is better on the basis we play with the ball more and we create more chances even if we are not taking them at the moment? Yes, absolutely. Do you have to agree with me? No. 
I didn’t say it is absolutely ridiculous,  it just sounds it, as despite  our intentions of improving the playing style , the execution of it isn’t proving it by comparison of goals for and against. Which is fact not opinion. 

At very best the increase in possession is still only marginal as is also fact.
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The interesting stat to me is the Sir Alf one. Looking at our last three games we had much more possession than under the Moyes regime of the last two seasons. That must show progress of a sort and it must be considered a marginal gain over last year. 
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Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 10:17
Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
onsideman wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 00:05 Regarding those passing stats, try removing all the passes between Mavropanos, Kilman, Alvarez and Fabianski and then give me the revised numbers and tell me we've improved.

It was largely garbage

I fully expect us to lose on Boxing Day and then beat the scouse because that's what we do, but if Lopetegui is the answer I dread to think what the question is 
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
It’s not just a bad defence. We aren’t scoring as much as last season too. Which kind of makes ‘the football is much better’ sound absolutely ridiculous.
Well it’s a debatable point so I don’t think “absolutely ridiculous” is fair just because you have a different opinion. 

Do I think the football is better on the basis we play with the ball more and we create more chances even if we are not taking them at the moment? Yes, absolutely. Do you have to agree with me? No. 
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stubbo-admin wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 12:57 I also think we have one shot at top money for Kudus which is Liverpool. Once they replace Salah no one is paying the money we want.
Kudus value will have dipped this season. He's done very little and not in form. Wait till next season to sell him, now would be daft. I think his release clause will also run out by then so his valuation ceiling will potentially increase should he regain his form eventually, which I reckon it will. Sell now and we don't get much more than about £50M.
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Sullivan sitting with Salthouse on Saturday spoke volumes.

I don’t expect Steidten to last much longer. Its essentially Sullivan’s way of implementing “constructive dismissal”.  We will sell Kudus for £80 million to City this Jan and Sullivan will use Salthouse, Silkman, Mackay to waste it on a striker ( Sullivans understanding of football is get a good striker and rest takes care of itself) . Sully with his agents advice will see we have 5 midfielders so well stocked there, no need to recruit. 

No strategy, philosophy and no alignment if execs, board members, coaches or players to a way of playing. Piecemeal recruitment without the aforementioned strategy.  Its doomed to fail as it has for 11-12 of the 14 years Sullivan has been our owner.  

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I also think we have one shot at top money for Kudus which is Liverpool. Once they replace Salah no one is paying the money we want.
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I don't think it's impossible, I'm sure at least some of it could be done. 

As for Alvarez, I've been thinking about selling him for good money. It's not that I don't like him, 9n his day he can be good but not seen it enough this season and he's too much of a risky liability for getting sent off/long suspension waiting to happen. If we got close to the money we bought him for, then he is 1 big asset i would sell now if we re-used the money well. 

And also still try and get rid of the deadwood as previously mentioned of we can. 

Steidtens paid a decent wedge, so it's on him to figure out some solutions in January.
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Massive Attack" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 11:21
stubbo-admin wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 23:59
Massive Attack" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 21:46 Saw this kind of shit before in other games but thought I'd share it with the rest of the class the blatant breakdown of players not doing their jobs.

Go to 30:00 mins in when Emerson gets the ball from Kudus before pinging a crossfield pass in to space for Bowen to chase. Now he's doing his job by haring after the ball putting the Brighton Defender under pressure pressing him and he waves his team mates on in the hope they follow him. You can also spot Lopetegui frantically waving Paqueta up to get with the action near the next Brighton player but he's caught dawdling. Both Bowen and Lopetegui clearly livid with the lack of following instructions and typical of Paqueta too lazy to do the basics asked of them..

https://timesoccertv.com/west-ham-highlights/

It's this kind of shit I hate seeing, as the ideas are right but player's not executing what's clearly asked of them. Fucking had enough of it and he weren't the only one with the lazy cսnt up top not putting a shift in either. Also telling that the ones clearly not performing got the hook on Saturday with both their replacements making a big difference instead. 
January will be interesting.

It's clear we don't have the squad to do what the manager wants to do...also clear we have one saleable player (Kudus) and if we want to rejig the squad he's the income source, hence the sudden release of his "asking price". 

But if we can't sell Kudus, we can't do much if a jerig, and we're stuck with players that can't do what the manager wants. So do you stick with the manager unsuited to the squad?

Att his point he's looking for an injection of pace and youth...Scarles seems like that. Be interesting to see if he resorts to others too as he's clearly learning his senior players aren't up to "it".
 
Paqueta is clearly not snapping out of his horrendous poor form that's gone on for over a year now and needs moving on this window if there's any truth in the rumours Clubs back in Brazil want to take him. It seems the only way to end both his and our nightmare regarding the poxy FA case.

Apparently when back playing in Brazil he can't beat touched as long as he doesn't return to the English game again. Yes we would take a hit on valuation but even if we got for argument sake about £20M and big wages off the books, then it'll release much needed funds for elsewhere. Hw simply needs to go now.

Keep Kudus, not interested in selling him yet.

Sell Fullkrug and cut our losses on the lazy lummox. Could be worth upwards of another £15M to us, plus big wages again. He sounds like he doesn't really want to be here, airing off often in the press about the awful move and how much it was a big risk, for him..hah! Pull the other one, it was us taking the big risk on him! 

Rodriguez can finally be put out of his misery too and go for about £5M and a packet of chewing gum. 

Hopefully allow Ings to go if he finds a suitor so get his wages off too but not holding my breath on that one where he's happily kicked his heels on the bench settling for the huge wage till his contract runs out this summer.

Sell Areola to Saudis if they want him and that'll be a fair chunk of money to play with between just those 4 (5 if Ings also goes) and a lot of wages saved to go get players we desperately need in goal, attack, midfield.

We carry far too many slow and lazy passengers that need shifting. Steidtens going to be a busy boy..

And if needs be, I'd turn more to the youth in the likes of both Orford and Casey, now Scarles is establishing himself excellently. At least they'll guarantee to follow orders and put in a real shift for the shirt, as this shit can't continue  with too many letting the likes of hard working Bowen, Lopetegui and the fans down. Some requirements of what's expected from our players are non-negotiable. Put the fucking effort in...
Agree with all of that, but that assumes we're able to sell and get money for under performing players with other clubs doing us a favour with our large wages...simply not the players you can shift.

Kudus and Alvarez will be the saleable assets.
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stubbo-admin wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 23:59
Massive Attack" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 21:46 Saw this kind of shit before in other games but thought I'd share it with the rest of the class the blatant breakdown of players not doing their jobs.

Go to 30:00 mins in when Emerson gets the ball from Kudus before pinging a crossfield pass in to space for Bowen to chase. Now he's doing his job by haring after the ball putting the Brighton Defender under pressure pressing him and he waves his team mates on in the hope they follow him. You can also spot Lopetegui frantically waving Paqueta up to get with the action near the next Brighton player but he's caught dawdling. Both Bowen and Lopetegui clearly livid with the lack of following instructions and typical of Paqueta too lazy to do the basics asked of them..

https://timesoccertv.com/west-ham-highlights/

It's this kind of shit I hate seeing, as the ideas are right but player's not executing what's clearly asked of them. Fucking had enough of it and he weren't the only one with the lazy cսnt up top not putting a shift in either. Also telling that the ones clearly not performing got the hook on Saturday with both their replacements making a big difference instead. 
January will be interesting.

It's clear we don't have the squad to do what the manager wants to do...also clear we have one saleable player (Kudus) and if we want to rejig the squad he's the income source, hence the sudden release of his "asking price". 

But if we can't sell Kudus, we can't do much if a jerig, and we're stuck with players that can't do what the manager wants. So do you stick with the manager unsuited to the squad?

Att his point he's looking for an injection of pace and youth...Scarles seems like that. Be interesting to see if he resorts to others too as he's clearly learning his senior players aren't up to "it".
 
 
Paqueta is clearly not snapping out of his horrendous poor form that's gone on for over a year now and needs moving on this window if there's any truth in the rumours Clubs back in Brazil want to take him. It seems the only way to end both his and our nightmare regarding the poxy FA case.

Apparently when back playing in Brazil he can't beat touched as long as he doesn't return to the English game again. Yes we would take a hit on valuation but even if we got for argument sake about £20M and big wages off the books, then it'll release much needed funds for elsewhere. Hw simply needs to go now.

Keep Kudus, not interested in selling him yet.

Sell Fullkrug and cut our losses on the lazy lummox. Could be worth upwards of another £15M to us, plus big wages again. He sounds like he doesn't really want to be here, airing off often in the press about the awful move and how much it was a big risk, for him..hah! Pull the other one, it was us taking the big risk on him! 

Rodriguez can finally be put out of his misery too and go for about £5M and a packet of chewing gum. 

Hopefully allow Ings to go if he finds a suitor so get his wages off too but not holding my breath on that one where he's happily kicked his heels on the bench settling for the huge wage till his contract runs out this summer.

Sell Areola to Saudis if they want him and that'll be a fair chunk of money to play with between just those 4 (5 if Ings also goes) and a lot of wages saved to go get players we desperately need in goal, attack, midfield.

We carry far too many slow and lazy passengers that need shifting. Steidtens going to be a busy boy..

And if needs be, I'd turn more to the youth in the likes of both Orford and Casey, now Scarles is establishing himself excellently. At least they'll guarantee to follow orders and put in a real shift for the shirt, as this shit can't continue  with too many letting the likes of hard working Bowen, Lopetegui and the fans down. Some requirements of what's expected from our players are non-negotiable. Put the fucking effort in...
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Mad Ferret" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 10:21
Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 10:17
Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
It’s not just a bad defence. We aren’t scoring as much as last season too. Which kind of makes ‘the football is much better’ sound absolutely ridiculous.
Not really when you consider how many of the goals were set-pieces.
Only 50% of our goals have been from open play. There is little to no difference.
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Jaan Kenbrovin" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 10:17
Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
onsideman wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 00:05 Regarding those passing stats, try removing all the passes between Mavropanos, Kilman, Alvarez and Fabianski and then give me the revised numbers and tell me we've improved.

It was largely garbage

I fully expect us to lose on Boxing Day and then beat the scouse because that's what we do, but if Lopetegui is the answer I dread to think what the question is 
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
It’s not just a bad defence. We aren’t scoring as much as last season too. Which kind of makes ‘the football is much better’ sound absolutely ridiculous.
Not really when you consider how many of the goals were set-pieces.
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Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
onsideman wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 00:05 Regarding those passing stats, try removing all the passes between Mavropanos, Kilman, Alvarez and Fabianski and then give me the revised numbers and tell me we've improved.

It was largely garbage

I fully expect us to lose on Boxing Day and then beat the scouse because that's what we do, but if Lopetegui is the answer I dread to think what the question is 
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
It’s not just a bad defence. We aren’t scoring as much as last season too. Which kind of makes ‘the football is much better’ sound absolutely ridiculous.
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Sir Alf" wrote: 23 Dec 2024, 07:02 Lop has adjusted tactics and we are closer to the way Moyes had us playing especially last season. We play deeper now, no longer advanced win backs, we look to draw teams towards us with slow build up and exploit space in behind with longer balls and diagonals to our front players to run onto. Very similar to Moyes in that respect.

We do attempt to try and play thru the middle to transition and its better than it was but just like with Moyes, because of the players we have, its largely ineffective. Better when Soler plays as he does see gaps to exploit now and then with a ball thru the opposition press. 

Lopetegui has ( I suspect ) realised that our summer recruitment fell short and that he, Steidten and Sullivan are responsible ( mostly Sullivan as he had ultimate control on how the club operates and has been overseeing recruitment of players and coaches for 14 years )  for failiing to understand the requirements, profile of the players needed to play a more expansive game in the Premiership.

AWB, Kilman are proving good acquisitions, Todibo and Summerville to a lesser extent so far but overall look to be decent. Soler is improving and looking like he may be an asset longer term. 

Rodruiguez, Fullkrug, Guilehme at this time have added nothing.  

So the requirements to play a more progressive game were not fully addressed. But then you have to look at the depleted squad Moyes ( under Sullivan ) left.  The back line needed a revamp and a good RB and better CBs and that was largely addressed imo. Midfield simply too slow and lacking the “legs” needed to press and counter press, to play with speed and at high tempo to beat the opposition press and stretch teams. This requirement was simply not addressed at all.  Up front the need for pace and strength and better finishing to replace an ageing Antonio was not addressed.  

Lopetegui has perhaps only realised it after 12 or so games where he attempted to play a system that was suicidal.  You have to have pace, strength, relentless running and pressing in the middle of the park if you want to play on the proverbial “front foot”, stretch and open teams up and hit them in transition and handle their counters. Its nigh on impossible to do that with a squad that has Paqueta, Rodruiguez, Alvarez, Soucek and Soler as options in the “engine room” of midfield. In the central forward area we have no mobile option other than switching Bowen to the central role ( although Kudus might also be able to do it) but they are not long term solutions. The fact he ( Lop ) took so long to adjust how we play and recommended Rodruiguez and Soler only suggests he didnt understand what was needed so was the wrong appointment.

In summary, Moyes mismanagement of the squad down to 14 players he used, of which many only suited to low block, counter attack, set piece football,  required an enormous rebuild which we had to get near perfect if only bringing in 8 players ( discount Foderingham the keeper).  We didnt. 

We still need at least 2 different starters in central midfield. We can all see it. When we tried to play the high line, pressing game early on, all teams just passed around and thru us in transition, dispossessed us with most of the team in advanced positions which allowed them to cut thru us with ease, outnumbering usually 2 or 3 players we had at left at the back.  Exactly what happened to Spurs yesterday. They rely on their fast CB pairing but also got overrun in midfield. Liverpool should have scored more.

The Jan window cant fix it but lets hope we can get a loan or two to improve things. Douglas Luiz from Juve and an athletic forward who has a decent shot should help.  But with Sullivan sitting with Salthouse blantantly showing he will be handling the Jan recruitment? I would not hold out too much hope.

Apologies as always for the long diatribe. 


 
No need to apologise! Your posts are always worth the read and yes, I agree, the squad was badly mishandled, transfer policy was flawed and we are going to be emerging from the mess Moyes left behind all season at least. Also, everything indicates the real change is yet to come because Sullivan is still blocking it.
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Lop has adjusted tactics and we are closer to the way Moyes had us playing especially last season. We play deeper now, no longer advanced win backs, we look to draw teams towards us with slow build up and exploit space in behind with longer balls and diagonals to our front players to run onto. Very similar to Moyes in that respect.

We do attempt to try and play thru the middle to transition and its better than it was but just like with Moyes, because of the players we have, its largely ineffective. Better when Soler plays as he does see gaps to exploit now and then with a ball thru the opposition press. 

Lopetegui has ( I suspect ) realised that our summer recruitment fell short and that he, Steidten and Sullivan are responsible ( mostly Sullivan as he had ultimate control on how the club operates and has been overseeing recruitment of players and coaches for 14 years )  for failiing to understand the requirements, profile of the players needed to play a more expansive game in the Premiership.

AWB, Kilman are proving good acquisitions, Todibo and Summerville to a lesser extent so far but overall look to be decent. Soler is improving and looking like he may be an asset longer term. 

Rodruiguez, Fullkrug, Guilehme at this time have added nothing.  

So the requirements to play a more progressive game were not fully addressed. But then you have to look at the depleted squad Moyes ( under Sullivan ) left.  The back line needed a revamp and a good RB and better CBs and that was largely addressed imo. Midfield simply too slow and lacking the “legs” needed to press and counter press, to play with speed and at high tempo to beat the opposition press and stretch teams. This requirement was simply not addressed at all.  Up front the need for pace and strength and better finishing to replace an ageing Antonio was not addressed.  

Lopetegui has perhaps only realised it after 12 or so games where he attempted to play a system that was suicidal.  You have to have pace, strength, relentless running and pressing in the middle of the park if you want to play on the proverbial “front foot”, stretch and open teams up and hit them in transition and handle their counters. Its nigh on impossible to do that with a squad that has Paqueta, Rodruiguez, Alvarez, Soucek and Soler as options in the “engine room” of midfield. In the central forward area we have no mobile option other than switching Bowen to the central role ( although Kudus might also be able to do it) but they are not long term solutions. The fact he ( Lop ) took so long to adjust how we play and recommended Rodruiguez and Soler only suggests he didnt understand what was needed so was the wrong appointment.

In summary, Moyes mismanagement of the squad down to 14 players he used, of which many only suited to low block, counter attack, set piece football,  required an enormous rebuild which we had to get near perfect if only bringing in 8 players ( discount Foderingham the keeper).  We didnt. 

We still need at least 2 different starters in central midfield. We can all see it. When we tried to play the high line, pressing game early on, all teams just passed around and thru us in transition, dispossessed us with most of the team in advanced positions which allowed them to cut thru us with ease, outnumbering usually 2 or 3 players we had at left at the back.  Exactly what happened to Spurs yesterday. They rely on their fast CB pairing but also got overrun in midfield. Liverpool should have scored more.

The Jan window cant fix it but lets hope we can get a loan or two to improve things. Douglas Luiz from Juve and an athletic forward who has a decent shot should help.  But with Sullivan sitting with Salthouse blantantly showing he will be handling the Jan recruitment? I would not hold out too much hope.

Apologies as always for the long diatribe. 

 
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Ron Eff" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 22:59
onsideman wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 00:05 Regarding those passing stats, try removing all the passes between Mavropanos, Kilman, Alvarez and Fabianski and then give me the revised numbers and tell me we've improved.

It was largely garbage

I fully expect us to lose on Boxing Day and then beat the scouse because that's what we do, but if Lopetegui is the answer I dread to think what the question is 
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
Yeah, I'm not saying that the back 5 (including keeper) didnt pass it between themselves under Moyes and I'm certainly not saying that all the passes under Moyes were in the final third. You made that up. If, as was suggested in the prior post to which I was referring, that we are making 30-40 more passes per game than we did under Moyes, then I believe that the majority of those additional 15-20 passes per half (so 3 or 4 passes each per half) are being made by the back 5 and I would guess that Fabianski (or Areola)  has been putting his foot through it just as often as they did under Moyes.

But that's just how it feels to me from my vantage point at the LS.  I'm sure there are stats out there which will either support or undermine that opinion. 
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Rusta wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 16:58 It’s all just a bit of a mess and I don’t understand how a bloke who got to manage Spain has got to this 


 
 
 
Being the manager of a national team doesn't necessarily mean you're a great manager.  Just look at England, for example. Taylor,  McClaren, arguably Southgate. They even gave Fat Sam a go.
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Massive Attack" wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 21:46 Saw this kind of shit before in other games but thought I'd share it with the rest of the class the blatant breakdown of players not doing their jobs.

Go to 30:00 mins in when Emerson gets the ball from Kudus before pinging a crossfield pass in to space for Bowen to chase. Now he's doing his job by haring after the ball putting the Brighton Defender under pressure pressing him and he waves his team mates on in the hope they follow him. You can also spot Lopetegui frantically waving Paqueta up to get with the action near the next Brighton player but he's caught dawdling. Both Bowen and Lopetegui clearly livid with the lack of following instructions and typical of Paqueta too lazy to do the basics asked of them..

https://timesoccertv.com/west-ham-highlights/

It's this kind of shit I hate seeing, as the ideas are right but player's not executing what's clearly asked of them. Fucking had enough of it and he weren't the only one with the lazy cսnt up top not putting a shift in either. Also telling that the ones clearly not performing got the hook on Saturday with both their replacements making a big difference instead. 
January will be interesting.

It's clear we don't have the squad to do what the manager wants to do...also clear we have one saleable player (Kudus) and if we want to rejig the squad he's the income source, hence the sudden release of his "asking price". 

But if we can't sell Kudus, we can't do much if a jerig, and we're stuck with players that can't do what the manager wants. So do you stick with the manager unsuited to the squad?

Att his point he's looking for an injection of pace and youth...Scarles seems like that. Be interesting to see if he resorts to others too as he's clearly learning his senior players aren't up to "it".
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onsideman wrote: 22 Dec 2024, 00:05 Regarding those passing stats, try removing all the passes between Mavropanos, Kilman, Alvarez and Fabianski and then give me the revised numbers and tell me we've improved.

It was largely garbage

I fully expect us to lose on Boxing Day and then beat the scouse because that's what we do, but if Lopetegui is the answer I dread to think what the question is 
That comment only works if you’re saying all passing under Moyes was in the final third. You can’t deduct passing around back four under one manager and not the other and call it revised numbers. 

The football is much better. The defending is just as bad. That’s the downfall this season as it was last. 
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Saw this kind of shit before in other games but thought I'd share it with the rest of the class the blatant breakdown of players not doing their jobs.

Go to 30:00 mins in when Emerson gets the ball from Kudus before pinging a crossfield pass in to space for Bowen to chase. Now he's doing his job by haring after the ball putting the Brighton Defender under pressure pressing him and he waves his team mates on in the hope they follow him. You can also spot Lopetegui frantically waving Paqueta up to get with the action near the next Brighton player but he's caught dawdling. Both Bowen and Lopetegui clearly livid with the lack of following instructions and typical of Paqueta too lazy to do the basics asked of them..

https://timesoccertv.com/west-ham-highlights/

It's this kind of shit I hate seeing, as the ideas are right but player's not executing what's clearly asked of them. Fucking had enough of it and he weren't the only one with the lazy cսnt up top not putting a shift in either. Also telling that the ones clearly not performing got the hook on Saturday with both their replacements making a big difference instead. 
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We did try pressing higher earlier on in the season. Problem remains that our central midfield is not just slow but very slow so most teams played around it too easily and had acres of space to run in and created many overload situations leading to a lot of goals conceded.  We have started to sit deeper recently with Alvarez, Soucek and even Paqueta making us more compact. But those 3, Soler and Rodruigez not one of them fast or athletic enough. You can have one who is less athletic but a whole squad of central midfielders who are one paced. A real failure in recruitment but we know the reasons for that. Disjointed thinking, no single vision on playing style and players for it with 3 people making choices on who we buy. No way to run a club but a very outdated model that reeks of Sullivan and his 1990s thinking where he has to be involved
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The difference in pressing when Bowen went up top was like night n day, he run his socks off. Problem then was we didn’t press as a team beside and behind him. 

It’s all just a bit of a mess and I don’t understand how a bloke who got to manage Spain has got to this 
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