New manager bounce

[Ladysmith]

What a load of bollocks!

1 win, 1 draw and 3 losses.

he has to go!

Sullivan should be doing everything possible to secure the services of Iraola now to start next season before some other club does.

[stubbo-admin]

Locked. Doesn't require a new thread to discuss the impact Potter is having and is clearly just a wind up.

[Pshyco scored all 4]

We haven't got a bad squad at all . But we're clearly lacking in certain positions and unluckily for us . There both in the most important areas of the pitch. Namely at centre half and central midfield. None of the central defenders can head a ball . And we've no pace at all in central midfield. . The stupidity of paying £40 m for max kilman and Moyes refusal to sign Yousef forfana has bitten us properly on the arse  . I've no doubt potter will turn it  around.  But it will take at least 2 transfer windows . 

[El Scorchio]

No it wasn’t. Stop trying to troll people. It’s pathetic. 

Yes it was, hence the triple change at HT.

Stop making excuses, you lemon.

Pathetic. 

[Mad Ferret]

It's happened at Everton. Just saying

They got a competent manager.

[northbankboy68]

It's happened at Everton. Just saying

[Gank]

Only let people post on this site if they have an old WHO number, it's telling how many of these new cunts only joined in Aug/Sept.

If they didn't migrate across from WHO then they need to send the MODS a picture of themselves doing a crossed hammers whilst wearing a West Ham shirt.

I've done your job for you there.

That wouldn't work. My old number was wiped from the database and I am by far the best poster on the new site. 

[twoleftfeet]

Only let people post on this site if they have an old WHO number, it's telling how many of these new cunts only joined in Aug/Sept.

If they didn't migrate across from WHO then they need to send the MODS a picture of themselves doing a crossed hammers whilst wearing a West Ham shirt.

I've done your job for you there.

[Mad Ferret]

No it wasn’t. Stop trying to troll people. It’s pathetic. 

Yes it was, hence the triple change at HT.

Stop making excuses, you lemon.

[Sir Alf]

Thx Iron D

Perspective is difficult to get when looking at a short window of time or on forums when emotions are high and we react to a defeat then make conclusions based on that 1 game.
 
A quick fix that many hope or expect was unlikely with our squad. The fix needed was last summer but the lack of athleticism in the team was unresolved. 

Too early to reach conclusions either way just yet. We do need a win though. The Leicester game is becoming pivotal. Arsenal away I expect nothing but hoping for a good performance and not a battering.  

At this early point in Potter’s tenure, its easy to suggest anyone but Potter would be as good or better and would have seen us win or draw against Brentford, Chelsea, Palace. 5 league games is not a big data sample and would Iraola, Frank, Allegri, Amourim, anyone not Potter have done any better in those 3 games result wise?

Imo, no one knows. The above coaches may have even done worse?

The disappointment is home games so far imo. Thats where we have have the onus on us to take the game to the opposition and where our one paced midfield is least suited to. We try to play our way thru but get brutally exposed to counter attacks from teams that sit deep amd break at pace. 

[Iron Duke]

This new manager bounce? Doesn’t really happen with us does it?

Let’s look at all the managers appointed by Sullivan’s first 5 games:

Grant - one draw, four losses
Allardyce - three wins, one draw, one loss
Bilic - three wins, 2 defeats
Moyes (first spell) - one win, one draw, three defeats
Pellegrini - one win, four defeats 
Moyes (second spell) - one win, one draw, three defeats
Lopetegui - one win, one draw, three defeats

The previous four all had the same or worse record in their first five games. Moyes, who you love so much, did it TWICE. The only managers to have a decent first five games were Allardyce (in the Championship), and Bilic (who still lost two games).

If we sacked our managers after five games, we would have more managers than Watford. For us, there is no such thing as the new manager bounce.

Now fuck off.

[Maverick180180]

Only on a West Ham forum would you find Spurs fans running amok and being allowed to do so freely. I miss the old WHO days with proper characters now it’s just a free for all.

Potter will do just fine, he knows the scale of the problems and he has to do the best with what he has got.


 

What’s your obsession with claiming everyone is a spurs fan?
I’m prepared to give any manager time, what I’m not prepared to give them. is time to pick a competent starting XI, that’s something that any professional manager should be doing from the moment he takes over 
every week, same as Lopetegui, the majority of our fans are looking at our line up and thinking what the fuck is that?
while that’s going on, every fan has the right to criticise, cos it’s not good enough
we have players in our squad that simply aren’t premier league level, and no amount of time or coaching is going to change that, and I’m seeing Potter selecting these sort of players even when injuries aren’t dictating that he has no other choice 
There’s no doubt that he’s inherited an awful squad, but he’s really not helping himself with some of the baffling decisions he keeps making
for example, our centre back pairing is woeful, Kilman and Mavropanos were an embarrassment yesterday, now while I haven’t been overly impressed with Todibo I’ve seen flashes that there’s a player in there 
but why didn’t he get any minutes yesterday? How is he gonna get back up to match fit by sitting on the bench
Potter talks a good game, but personally, I wanna start seeing something I can back.

[Sir Alf]

As with Lopetegui, imo you have to give it half a season even if early results are not great. It transpired that warly feelings on Looetegui were proven to be correct . Potter has had 5 weeks just 7 games and the first week we had 3 of those games.  We’ve improved defensively away and in performance but at home less so and yesterday first half saw a repeat of problems of being “way to open” in transition that both Moyes and Lopetegui oversaw over the last 3 seasons.

We sit deeper, in shape, narrow and more compact away from home. That simply fits the squad of players we have since it is devoid of athletes especially in midfield. 

Potter made the sane mistakes Moyes and Lopetegui made first half by trying to get us playing through a well organised Brentford side who’s strength is playing on the counter and sitting 8 or 9 behind the ball then quickly transitioning and releasing  their quick midfielders and forwards.

The question is whether Potter learns from it. His 2nd half adjustments suggest maybe he has. Playing the slow Soucek and Alvarez as a double pivot alone to protect the defence was a complete failure. Once Paqueta was dropped deeper and we had 3 in there with JWP also operating in a deeper role, we handled their transitions better and dominated possession. Having a natural target man ( albeit not fully fit) also helped.  

Lets see if Potter learns for the next home game and of course it also depends on who we are playing. Next week we will have to set up as we did at Chelsea  and be the fast countering team ourself imo. Away from home.

Other problems to solve include:
CB Mavrapanos replaced by Todibo although the Greek was not that bad yesterday and made 2 potential goal saving tackles. But Todibo is qyicker, a better player and less error prone. But another that needs to stay fit.

Kudus. Needs to play for the team, get his head up and be far more hard working in midfield when we are out of possession. Bowen makes lung bustimg runs to track runners and help out defensively. Kudus does not. He plays now likea prima donna as if he’s too good for this team. Perhaps caused by listening to last season’s hype and changing his agent to a family member who will be telling him he should be playing for Liverpool? At the moment he would struggle getting on their bench.

Anyway, personally I will be patient enough to get thru this season and start the next assuming we dont go into fall freefull results wise. 


 

[Ladysmith]

Moyes lost 9 out of his first 12 matches in his opening spell of his second coming. 

I thought you foed me?

[Maverick180180]

Moyes lost 9 out of his first 12 matches in his opening spell of his 

[twoleftfeet]

Moyes lost 9 out of his first 12 matches in his opening spell of his second coming. 

[twoleftfeet]

Only on a West Ham forum would you find Spurs fans running amok and being allowed to do so freely. I miss the old WHO days with proper characters now it’s just a free for all.

Potter will do just fine, he knows the scale of the problems and he has to do the best with what he has got.

 

[fraser]

Decent away from home, at home so far just not good enough. No excuses for that first half yesterday it was diabolical. 

 

[THUNDERCLINT]

We had one , it lasted util Summerville got squashed at Villa.

it did look promising for a little while but is quickly turning to shit. Hope rumours of a break clause are true.

[Mex Martillo]

I don't buy this squad isn't good enough view. We should be doing much better with this squad. Injuries haven't help at all, but that's not the reason. Forwards, big problem that's always there. We're not the only ones with that problem, plenty of financially better teams also see forwards as their problem. We should stop trying quick fix of buying an elusive ready made forward and start investing in more players like Guiherme. We should have 3, 4 or 5 to get 1 or 2 coming through. Newcastle did that with Isak, we were in for him and I'm sure we would not have been patient enough to reap the rewards like Newcastle are now.

I think the problem we have now is the players, just not playing well enough with enough desire. Under Loppy it wasn't difficult to understand he was weird. Potter has shown some signs of improvement. Have to see what he can do. The crap thing is season is over, nothing can be won, just the grind of trying to finish a bit higher up the table. Should be enough of an incentive, but maybe this crowd aren't very interested.

[Manuel]

Look at all the excuses for him, what a load of soft cunts. Funny how Lop and Moyes weren't given the same. We have a way superior squad to Everton. Someone asked yesterday how do we fit Paqueta/Bowen/Ferguson/Kudus all in the same side ffs.

[factory seconds]

there used to be a surfing forum i went on all the time. the bloke who ran it was, as the lifestyle suggests, a bit of a lazy cսnt and as such had no interest in doing all the much upkeep. it was largely a self policing community and there's only so bent out of shape anyone can get over whether poly or EPS is a better board material anyway.

all was well and good until bots started to become a thing. the mods played wack a mole with them for a bit, but after a while people just drifted away as for every one legitimate post, there was a flood of unreadable shite.

that place is long dead now.

[Alfs]

Summed up perfectly, Grumps.

[Grumpster]

Bloke has been given a squad that is complete aids with the exception of about 4/5 players, pointless judging him until after the summer window as was pretty obvious the owners stopped him from making any signings in january due to the season already being over and being safe from relegation as the teams below are so utterly shit.

Still it's nice seeing knobs like ladysmith wet themselves over it whilst wanking over moyes.

A man who constantly threw away games (especially in the cup), but because he won a trophy where 99% of the teams were 1st division class is now a God.

I respect how he changed the attitude at the club, but I was at all of the said away cup games he threw spending thousands, so he can fuck himself.

No idea if Potter is the saviour, but not sure what people expect with the players currently avaliable.

 

[El Scorchio]

No it wasn’t. Stop trying to troll people. It’s pathetic. 

[Mad Ferret]

His selection today was totally unacceptable.