Should Islam be banned from Europe?

[Barty888]

Link to a video some may find particularly unpleasant

[Nutsin]

No

Do you have kids?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Perhaps, if people are serious about ridding the streets of people who are disrespectful to their society they need to consider giving up the long-held ability to travel about the country with no ID, should you choose to do so.

Start by ensuring everybody has an ID registered on a national, ultra-secure database and then start tracking individuals (AI may help, but the tracking criteria needs to be decided and declared first off).

Roll out CCTV across the whole nation along with facial recognition. All a bit Orwellian, but the point where other solutions could have worked has long passed. The cans containing such solutions were repeatedly and deliberately kicked down the road (mostly by ignorant, virtual-signalling, fucking do-gooders).

The start of the path to where we are now was, in my opinion, Blair's opening of the floodgates within the EU's Freedom of Movement pact.

Each policy, individually and collectively ensured that we could never know, let alone manage and build for, how many people were/are living in the UK.

Ffs so the good people have to give up all freedoms to appease the Muslims lack of common decency?

How about they are told when they arrive we do not allow or accept Sharia Law and British law does not allow sex with minors, if they don’t promise to obey OUR laws they will be deported period! Stop treating them with delicacy and lay down the law. Monitoring the Mosques would be a better and fair option, make sure what they preach fits into the British way of life.

Why are they always given Muslim privilege ffs!

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Why are they always given Muslim privilege ffs!"...

Because the do-gooders (highly educated as they are) firmly believe that when the 4 goats of the apocalypse arrive, they'll be spared because they didn't argue with the Muslims and gave them everything they demanded.

They won't.

[honky cat]

This poster has 45 posts
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1 "should Islam be banned"

Nothing odd at all
 

[Cabbige Savage]

Zen Boodism is Warsaw farstist growing religion 

Good Times

[zebthecat]

No

[Nutsin]

Perhaps, if people are serious about ridding the streets of people who are disrespectful to their society they need to consider giving up the long-held ability to travel about the country with no ID, should you choose to do so.

Start by ensuring everybody has an ID registered on a national, ultra-secure database and then start tracking individuals (AI may help, but the tracking criteria needs to be decided and declared first off).

Roll out CCTV across the whole nation along with facial recognition. All a bit Orwellian, but the point where other solutions could have worked has long passed. The cans containing such solutions were repeatedly and deliberately kicked down the road (mostly by ignorant, virtual-signalling, fucking do-gooders).

The start of the path to where we are now was, in my opinion, Blair's opening of the floodgates within the EU's Freedom of Movement pact.

Each policy, individually and collectively ensured that we could never know, let alone manage and build for, how many people were/are living in the UK.

Ffs so the good people have to give up all freedoms to appease the Muslims lack of common decency?

How about they are told when they arrive we do not allow or accept Sharia Law and British law does not allow sex with minors, if they don’t promise to obey OUR laws they will be deported period! Stop treating them with delicacy and lay down the law. Monitoring the Mosques would be a better and fair option, make sure what they preach fits into the British way of life.

Why are they always given Muslim privilege ffs!

[Mike Oxsaw]

Perhaps, if people are serious about ridding the streets of people who are disrespectful to their society they need to consider giving up the long-held ability to travel about the country with no ID, should you choose to do so.

Start by ensuring everybody has an ID registered on a national, ultra-secure database and then start tracking individuals (AI may help, but the tracking criteria needs to be decided and declared first off).

Roll out CCTV across the whole nation along with facial recognition. All a bit Orwellian, but the point where other solutions could have worked has long passed. The cans containing such solutions were repeatedly and deliberately kicked down the road (mostly by ignorant, virtual-signalling, fucking do-gooders).

The start of the path to where we are now was, in my opinion, Blair's opening of the floodgates within the EU's Freedom of Movement pact.

Each policy, individually and collectively ensured that we could never know, let alone manage and build for, how many people were/are living in the UK.

[Fauxstralian]

Excesses of Islam should be dealt with

The ignoring of girls being groomed and raped because of the religion of the perpetrators because of fears of being called racist should NEVER have happened 
Watched the Netflix doc re 7/7 & many terrorists were ‘monitored’ and often lost control of. Anyone in groups accessing terrorist information & groups should not be ‘monitored’. They should be visited with a shoot to kill policy

[Nutsin]

There's a set of kids in every school who are bullies. Should all kids be banned from schools?

There's a set of men who commit crime. Should all men be locked up?

There's a set of women who commit crime. Should all women be locked up?

There's a set of humans who commit crime. Should all humans be locked up?

There was a set of Catholics priests who commited crimes against children.  Should all Cathlic priests be banned?

The premise of this question is frankly ridiculous and not the way to deal with a problem.  Group identity as a whole is problematic.  Because Groups are not orchestrated as a collective...it's always at the sub-population level, and frankly it's based on individuals making choices for themselves.

 

 

Good way to bury your head in the sand and let the atrocities continue. Nice one. Do you have any ideas on how to stop the fanaticism and horror it brings? OR are we condemned to tolerate the misery forever?

[goose]

If you want to ban one you have to ban all religions.
This country has many laws, traditions and cultural norms born from religion. Do you ban all of those?

There are laws to stop radical factions of all
religions, they just need to be applied.

[stubbo-admin]

There's a set of kids in every school who are bullies. Should all kids be banned from schools?

There's a set of men who commit crime. Should all men be locked up?

There's a set of women who commit crime. Should all women be locked up?

There's a set of humans who commit crime. Should all humans be locked up?

There was a set of Catholics priests who commited crimes against children.  Should all Cathlic priests be banned?

The premise of this question is frankly ridiculous and not the way to deal with a problem.  Group identity as a whole is problematic.  Because Groups are not orchestrated as a collective...it's always at the sub-population level, and frankly it's based on individuals making choices for themselves.

[Nutsin]

Will be closely watching this topic. 

A debate is one thing...but as soon as it moves into the realms of outright racism it will get banned and the protagonist's warned.

My view...there are many groups that have a bad name because of the actions of a minority of their members.  There are millions of perfectly peaceful, well integrated and frankly non-hardline followers of Islam spread throughout Europe.

Questions like this are a bit like saying, "Should all West Ham fans be banned, because a few West Ham guys kicked off in a bar in Belgium and had a row"?

Answer. Of course not.  Entire broad groups cannot be judged or dealt with based on the actions of a minority of the group.  

Were there calls to  ban all Irish because of the actions of the IRA in the 80s?  And if we had where would we be now (I for one am married to someone who is half-Irish, so am glad they weren't).

So for me, this is a ridiculous question.

A better question.  Should Radical Islamists who believe in Jihad against the West be banned from Europe?  I can get behind a yes on that.  The same as any group hell bent on any kind of war against us in the West. But there is a distinction and it's imprtant.

 

Bit much comparing a few hooligans having a Tare up to Islam don’t you think?

As for the Islam problem, the truth is there are way too many that have been radicalized and the Quran is hardly a book of love and tolerance. 

so yes, 100% ban it. 

The point is should the actions of a minority with an association to a broad group result in the persecution of the entire group?  My view on that is no.

Depends on the extent of the threat it poses to society.

Big difference!

[stubbo-admin]

Will be closely watching this topic. 

A debate is one thing...but as soon as it moves into the realms of outright racism it will get banned and the protagonist's warned.

My view...there are many groups that have a bad name because of the actions of a minority of their members.  There are millions of perfectly peaceful, well integrated and frankly non-hardline followers of Islam spread throughout Europe.

Questions like this are a bit like saying, "Should all West Ham fans be banned, because a few West Ham guys kicked off in a bar in Belgium and had a row"?

Answer. Of course not.  Entire broad groups cannot be judged or dealt with based on the actions of a minority of the group.  

Were there calls to  ban all Irish because of the actions of the IRA in the 80s?  And if we had where would we be now (I for one am married to someone who is half-Irish, so am glad they weren't).

So for me, this is a ridiculous question.

A better question.  Should Radical Islamists who believe in Jihad against the West be banned from Europe?  I can get behind a yes on that.  The same as any group hell bent on any kind of war against us in the West. But there is a distinction and it's imprtant.

 

Bit much comparing a few hooligans having a Tare up to Islam don’t you think?

As for the Islam problem, the truth is there are way too many that have been radicalized and the Quran is hardly a book of love and tolerance. 

so yes, 100% ban it. 

The point is should the actions of a minority with an association to a broad group result in the persecution of the entire group?  My view on that is no.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Perhaps it should be a condition of authorising an immigrant the right to stay in the UK that they vow to defend King & Country against all peril - a probationary immigration status, if you like (and, no, it's not "Playing God", it's managing the problem).

Make sure that whatever their beliefs (tell them (inside their head, even with veinites)), the defence of King & Country take precedent over any religion.

[Nutsin]

Will be closely watching this topic. 

A debate is one thing...but as soon as it moves into the realms of outright racism it will get banned and the protagonist's warned.

My view...there are many groups that have a bad name because of the actions of a minority of their members.  There are millions of perfectly peaceful, well integrated and frankly non-hardline followers of Islam spread throughout Europe.

Questions like this are a bit like saying, "Should all West Ham fans be banned, because a few West Ham guys kicked off in a bar in Belgium and had a row"?

Answer. Of course not.  Entire broad groups cannot be judged or dealt with based on the actions of a minority of the group.  

Were there calls to  ban all Irish because of the actions of the IRA in the 80s?  And if we had where would we be now (I for one am married to someone who is half-Irish, so am glad they weren't).

So for me, this is a ridiculous question.

A better question.  Should Radical Islamists who believe in Jihad against the West be banned from Europe?  I can get behind a yes on that.  The same as any group hell bent on any kind of war against us in the West. But there is a distinction and it's imprtant.

 

 

Bit much comparing a few hooligans having a Tare up to Islam don’t you think?

As for the Islam problem, the truth is there are way too many that have been radicalized and the Quran is hardly a book of love and tolerance. 

so yes, 100% ban it. 

[stubbo-admin]

English teams were banned from Europe for a long time because of the deadly actions of a few, Admin son.

Do better with your examples.

But was it justified?

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

Like gender politics, all religion should be banned to anyone under the age of 18. It’s all just a sick child recruitment process.

[riosleftsock]

Islam should not be banned, but neither should it have any specially protected status via blasphemy or equality laws. Every other religion should accept the same freedoms, but it should be acknowledged that this is a christian country and we should not allow the funding of mosques and madrassas from abroad in the same way the undue political influence of the pope was removed from England hundreds of years ago.

The issue with some muslims can and should be dealt with outside of the sphere of religion.

[Eerie Decent]

English teams were banned from Europe for a long time because of the deadly actions of a few, Admin son.

Do better with your examples.

[stubbo-admin]

Will be closely watching this topic. 

A debate is one thing...but as soon as it moves into the realms of outright racism it will get banned and the protagonist's warned.

My view...there are many groups that have a bad name because of the actions of a minority of their members.  There are millions of perfectly peaceful, well integrated and frankly non-hardline followers of Islam spread throughout Europe.

Questions like this are a bit like saying, "Should all West Ham fans be banned, because a few West Ham guys kicked off in a bar in Belgium and had a row"?

Answer. Of course not.  Entire broad groups cannot be judged or dealt with based on the actions of a minority of the group.  

Were there calls to  ban all Irish because of the actions of the IRA in the 80s?  And if we had where would we be now (I for one am married to someone who is half-Irish, so am glad they weren't).

So for me, this is a ridiculous question.

A better question.  Should Radical Islamists who believe in Jihad against the West be banned from Europe?  I can get behind a yes on that.  The same as any group hell bent on any kind of war against us in the West. But there is a distinction and it's imprtant.

[Massive Attack]

They want to convert as many to Islam as possible and Mosques are popping up all over the Country at rate. Chuck in to the mix mass immigration on an industrial scale (before the latest secret scandal revelation) then you have a dangerous toxic situation brewing. The authorities have already turned a blind eye for decades of our vulnerable girls being raped on mass based on racial motivations.

Assimilation and integration at a sensible, controlled rate works. However what we have managed to do for 20 years now is create a nightmare for everyone, both for indigenous and immigrants alike. 

[Pub Bigot]

Banned no. Severely restricted? Yes, absolutely. Also all mosques under 24 hour surveillance and any sermon recorded and transcribed into English for review of what is being shared. 

[RootsRadical]

Islam and illegal Muslim migrants are certainly causing a lot of crime and urest across the UK & Europe on a daily basis now, but you can't ban a religion and there are millions already in the UK so not sure how you could ban it.
Many Muslims are well intergrated and are lovely people.

Fully agree though that Sharia Law should play no part in any civilised country, and that Muslims are making too many demands and  getting too much influence and preference which is causing a lot of anger and unrest.
Diversity doesn't exist and the opposite happens if people won't intergrate and expect special treatment, so there's your problem.

[Lee Trundle]

Yes.  To make it fair, I'd ban every other religion also.

[goose]

“Patriots” lol