Protesters - Demonstrations

[F 129 Row66]

Do they ever feel silly? They certainly look it. What possible change would politicians make in response to a bunch of wankers chanting the same thing over and over again, or a sign saying hoot if you support us?. The left are the worst, the rent a mob lot out in force recently trying to look tough in masks and balaclavas: also the ageing middle classes who never grew out of thei teenage opinions with their stop oil nonsense. Demonstrations should only be allowed in enclosed areas by appointment which could guarantee them air time to make their views known. Why do these people think that their views have more value than the rest of us. In the 80s I was a union representative at a big psychiatric hospital, and it was branch policy that we had a demonstration march to the town hall in support of a wage claim. As a representative I felt obliged to take part, it being a democratic vote. I thought the whole thing ridiculous. We held up the traffic, wasted police time and people endlessly chanted Maggie Magie Maggie Out Out Out!  I'm sure that most demonstrators are there because the think it's fun and really don't give a fuck about the issues.

[Mike Oxsaw]

So you are ignoring protesting to the government whose decisions can actually change things?
And you want to attack the individuals… all of them , guilty of what you ascribe to them or not … and burn them out of hotels ?

Wipe your chin, you seem to be salivating at the prospect 

You honestly still believe a/the government can change things?

If the civil service/state don't want things to change they won't - they're still seething that Brexit actually happened and looking for any/every chance to bad-mouth it and row us back in.

[Fauxstralian]

So you are ignoring protesting to the government whose decisions can actually change things?
And you want to attack the individuals… all of them , guilty of what you ascribe to them or not … and burn them out of hotels ?

Wipe your chin, you seem to be salivating at the prospect 

[Lee Trundle]

Your means is to protest against the government whose decisions or lack of you hold responsible 

Im not keen on people from the north being in London and the government is doing nothing about it.
What are my options? Can I push them under tube trains?


 

I know a big difference.  I won't be locked up for saying that about the Northerners online, Sven.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Are people from the north undocumented fighting aged men being housed in hotels at taxpayer expense, given free phones, money, driving lessons and free trips to football matches and all the while raping our children, sisters and mothers and wishing for the elimination of our western civilisation in favour of their own stone age culture?

No. So it's a fucking stupid comparison.

[Fauxstralian]

Your means is to protest against the government whose decisions or lack of you hold responsible 

Im not keen on people from the north being in London and the government is doing nothing about it.
What are my options? Can I push them under tube trains?

 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Dont think the people in those hotels should be in the country but surrounding the hotels and intimidating those individuals I don’t think is the right thing 
Attacking the hotels , police & mosques? Opportunistic violence 
 

Sadly, given the government's reluctance to remove 'pull factors' such as eye-wateringly generous benefits and free luxury accommodation, intimidating individuals inside the hotels is just about the only means of discouraging them ordinary people have.

And don't come the 'ooh, violence is never the way' bollocks - if someone came into your house uninvited, you'd certainly feel justified in clutching your pearls at them.

[Fauxstralian]

Said the other day I genuinely think Farage will win the next election because of immigration via illegal boats
Do you really think the boats are an underhand Labour plan to import supporters & if they had the intelligence to stop it they wouldn’t? Why did the Tories let it continue unhindered for 14 years?
Still say passing legislation banning anyone from arriving that way ever getting leave to remain wouldn’t at least cut it
And when UK boats pick up sinking small boats and their passengers they bring them to the UK
Why not take them back to a safe French beach?
Seems quite simple 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Wils
They should protest to their MP & government who have the power to do something about it
Go and join the rent boys outside Sir Keir’s house with a box of matches because he hasn’t paid his bill.
Protest outside Parliament & demand action
Thats how democracy works supposedly

Dont think the people in those hotels should be in the country but surrounding the hotels and intimidating those individuals I don’t think is the right thing 
Attacking the hotels , police & mosques? Opportunistic violence 

The authorities (including the state) won't act unless it genuinely fears losing that which it craves most. And that doesn't appear to be the same thing as what the nation fears losing most.

At the moment it looks, to all intents and purposes, that the authorities and the state want/need to import a new underclass for them to then demonstrate how caring they really are (using other people's money though).

[Fauxstralian]

Wils
They should protest to their MP & government who have the power to do something about it
Go and join the rent boys outside Sir Keir’s house with a box of matches because he hasn’t paid his bill.
Protest outside Parliament & demand action
Thats how democracy works supposedly

Dont think the people in those hotels should be in the country but surrounding the hotels and intimidating those individuals I don’t think is the right thing 
Attacking the hotels , police & mosques? Opportunistic violence 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Angry to the point of attacking people on the basis of their colour & presumed religion?
Angry to the point of putting people’s (hotel residents AND staff) lives in danger?

Seem a bit unhinged and opportunistic 

(More than) a few people on here presume they know all about me and my lifestyle. They're far above needing to provide "evidence", they just know.  All about a good education, innit?

Or you constantly writing paragraph after paragraph on your boring views and life on every other thread etc etc 
Bore off FFS

So "foe" me and my shit then, rather than making it the most important thing in your life for a few minutes (that you'll never get back) by reading and digesting the contents, then formulating and posting up your "response" for everybody to see and appreciate.

[Massive Attack]

I don't think I started this thread so people could argue about the rights and wrongs of mass immigration and illegal immigration, It was supposed to be about how silly demonstrators are, and them entertaining their juvenille minds at vast cost to the taxpayer.

Yes, they should stay at home, watch Love Island and go pick up their daughters from hospital/the police after they have been raped. Silly sausages.

Yeah, we've turned it in to a thread worth discussing now. This is the Post Immigration Soviet Stasi Intelligence National Group movement that we've all been longing to have. 

[zebthecat]

I don't get it.None of the usual suspect are going to change their minds.
Life is too short.

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

I don't think I started this thread so people could argue about the rights and wrongs of mass immigration and illegal immigration, It was supposed to be about how silly demonstrators are, and them entertaining their juvenille minds at vast cost to the taxpayer.

Yes, they should stay at home, watch Love Island and go pick up their daughters from hospital/the police after they have been raped. Silly sausages.

[mallard]

Sadly, this is what WHO has become, always the usual posters hijacking any thread to get their views across 

[F 129 Row66]

I don't think I started this thread so people could argue about the rights and wrongs of mass immigration and illegal immigration, It was supposed to be about how silly demonstrators are, and them entertaining their juvenille minds at vast cost to the taxpayer.

[wils]

Well it was part of another solution but they purposely closed it down tout suite (excuse my French) as soon as they got their feet under the Home Office table. These Commie bastards have zero political will to end this. I think some even get off on it all, even the little white girls getting raped. They are tapped in the head. Otherwise how else would anyone explain not doing their absolute level fucking best to protect them... What next, openly chanting in daylight to crowds to slit all the throats of those protesting against it

 

Always best not assume your political opponents are crazy, it's often a sign that you don't understand them. It does feel like they are a different species with no blood in their veins and its easy just to assume they are stupid or bad people, which I am probably guilty of myself. But they aren't, they are normally educated, clever and (at least in the own heads) good people.

One theory that I prefer about why these people behave like this despite the evidence staring them in the face is that it is a response to the trauma of the second world war. The post-war European elites became very anti-nationalist (and anti-religious) and set about destroying national identities (eg the EU) and anything that bonded us together (eg pushing diversity, open borders etc). So they see any push back against the consequences of their actions as being fascist. They wont accept any other reason for it as they are motivated by getting rid of the things they see as the cause for the last two world wars.

I have posted this before ( https://theupheaval.substack.com/p/american-strong-gods ) and its worth boring people by posting it again as it directly answers what you are talking about here. The Author, NS Lyons, has just been brought into the US government by Trump. It's a very positive and hopeful piece that makes sense of all the madness we are seeing and thus well worth the read, but for those that can't be bothered reading an essay (or have too much sense to spend their time reading a link some rando posted on a football forum), here's the chatGPT summary:

The core idea
Lyons borrows Reno’s term “strong gods” to mean binding loyalties and thick meanings—truth, faith, nation, honor, shared moral codes—that knit societies together, as opposed to the post-war “weak gods” of openness, relativism, and technocratic management. Econlib

The ‘Long Twentieth Century’ and its creed
He says the West’s post-1945 order consciously exiled those strong gods (to avoid a return of fascism/totalitarianism), building an “open society” ethos that prized borderlessness, markets, and proceduralism while distrusting firm identities or truths. Lyons calls this the “Long Twentieth Century,” a mindset that dominated until very recently. Noahpinionresilience

The bill comes due
That anti-ideological, managerial consensus brought peace and prosperity but also atomization, nihilism, and a meaning crisis; “negation” (suspicion of all thick commitments) hollowed out civic life. Lyons argues this is why the old order is cracking. resilience

The return
He claims we’re now seeing the return of strong gods—renewed appeals to nation, faith, borders, duty—manifesting in populist politics and cultural realignment. Lyons treats Trump’s movement as a visible sign of this historical turn, not an aberration. theupheaval.substack.comNoahpinion

So what?
Lyons’ upshot is that a politics of loyalty and solidarity is re-emerging. He acknowledges strong gods can be dangerous if absolutized, but contends the post-war overcorrection toward permanent “openness” has run its course, and thicker common purposes are inevitable—and necessary—if they’re responsibly channeled

[OK_Guy]

My ilk 
Ag ag ag 

I guess you’d be one of those Irish people who have been attacking Indians in the street 
Usually people who have lived in the country for years or even born there
SPOILER ALERT- Indians aren’t Muslims 
They are brown though 

 

 

thankfully I'm not Irish and like you(?), I know the difference between cultures/religions/colours. What put me in good standing was working in Saudi/USA... just love the way you try to use the racist card, I prefer to call people by their name, colour doesn't come into it, that said, you'll never convince me that Muslims will integrate into Western society. Wahhabism(Sunni)/Ashai'ism(Shia) Mullahs would never allow it, moderates Muslims continually fail to speak out about atrocities, I daresay that's ok with you.

When you assume, try not to come across as some bigoted idiot. 

[wils]

My solution is to acknowledge that anyone travelling from a safe country in FRANCE in a small boat is not an immigrant or a refugee and should be collected and returned to the shores of France 
If they wish to migrate to the UK they go through the proper channels 
If they land illegally they will be barred from ever using those proper channels 

If people do arrive as genuine immigrants through the proper channels to work they should be treated with respect 

That's not quite what I was asking a solution to. I was asking what is your solution to the residents of the country having their protestations at migrant rapes and child molesting ignored. What should they do in that situation?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Holiday Inn Express in Manvers near Rotherham

Was on most news reports
Probably not GB News I suspect


 

That was year ago, wasn't it? And nothing about lighted bins being pushed into the entrance, even on the BBC

[Mex Martillo]

Let them protest, where's the problem?
Problem is this is on the footbal thread, I protest, fuck it off.

[Eerie Decent]

What exactly happened in that 1 incident, Sven?

How many incidents have there been where the RESIDENTS are committing crimes? And if there are any, what crimes are they?

I have no idea, but you're clearly clued up on all this so will be interesting to get the lowdown.
 

[Fauxstralian]

Holiday Inn Express in Manvers near Rotherham

Was on most news reports
Probably not GB News I suspect

 

[Massive Attack]

You're both wrong on the use of the term RESIDENTS. It's officially Service Users (SU), if you don't mind..


[color=var(--m3c11)]In the context of hotels used to accommodate asylum seekers, the term "service user" is commonly used by both the Home Office and accommodation providers to refer to the individuals staying there. [/color][color=var(--m3c11)]This term, sometimes abbreviated as "SU", encompasses all individuals and families who are housed in contingency asylum accommodation, including those in hotels. [/color]Here's a more detailed explanation:

• "Service user" as a standard term:The Home Office and organizations managing asylum accommodation frequently use "service user" to describe individuals receiving support and housing while their asylum claims are being processed. 
  
  
  

[Massive Attack]

The other lot thought spending £700m sending a handful (if that) to Rwanda was the solution
The answer seems quite simple to me 
Someone who is in France … or Germany, Italy or even Poland is safe & not a refugee

 

 

Well it was part of another solution but they purposely closed it down tout suite (excuse my French) as soon as they got their feet under the Home Office table. These Commie bastards have zero political will to end this. I think some even get off on it all, even the little white girls getting raped. They are tapped in the head. Otherwise how else would anyone explain not doing their absolute level fucking best to protect them... What next, openly chanting in daylight to crowds to slit all the throats of those protesting against it

[Eerie Decent]

I have no idea
I did see people push burning bins into the entrances of hotels
Do you think that was an appropriate protest?
Would you have done that if you were there ?



 

I'll ask again...

How many staff and RESIDENTS have been injured in these protests, Sven?