Nuno Out

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2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[northbankfrank]

"This has nothing to do with Sullivan if our managers are so inept and useless"
 

Who employs the managers? 

[BoleynGone]

Crack Head has no logic about his selections apart from his first game.
Kept it simple and even brought on Potts on the hour. We scored soon after and could have taken 3 points if he had then not had a spoonful keeping Fulkrug on until the 94th bleedin minute. He was fucked and this could have contributed to his body breaking down once again.
He was so negative against Arsenal that a defeat was inevitable.
I'm having a go as it seems Nuno has had 4 games and wasted them.
Potter did this too. This has nothing to do with Sullivan if our managers are so inept and useless. What do they watch whilst waiting to be remployed. Nuno knew he would be the leading candidate once he left Forest.THE CRACK HEAD was probably getting a fix whilst counting his millions.
 

[simons]

The team that ended the Leeds game, showed that is was capable of getting something out of that game. Wilson will get chances, and score, if he’s given the opportunity too, like against Forest. Any pressure Nuno might now feel, is of his own doing.

[Russ of the BML]

We all agree Russ. What perhaps should be understood though is that even though starting Potts , Magassa, Fernandes most games will guarantee improvement in central midfield, the appalling squad as a whole still may prevent the results we need being achieved against many teams.  That said, there will be a much better chance even if its getting a draw not a win.

The lack of a target man / striker and losing our best CB ( low bar ) will still limit what we fan achieve results wise and Nuno needs to come up with something a lot better than false 9 Paqueta.  On the subject of Paqueta, play him deeper or bench him from starting. 

I fully appreciate that picking your best side does not always get you results. But, as you rightly point it, what is does is always give you the best chance of a result. What Nuno has done in the last two games is so left field he has made himself look stupid and, as I said, he has become part of the problem. 

If Nuno picks the best team from the squad he has, which I agree is appalling, then he cannot be directly blamed for that as he has had no influence in the make up of the current squad. By going left field and picking players in wrong positions and playing out of form or not good enough players, he puts himself directly in the firing line. 

Agree on Paqueta - For me he is midfield or bench. Not left. Not striker. 

[El Scorchio]

In his first post match interview after the draw at Everton, this cսnt was banging on about "our industry".

Sums it up how he sees it (and likely most foreign managers). Big business and just a very well paid job for him. No affiliation or connection whatsoever to the club he happens to be currently employed by.

Rodgers would be a better fit for us, for sure.

That applies to the vast majority of players and managers whether English/British or otherwise. Unless a player or manager is 'West Ham' any affinity they claim to have is usually platitudes and good PR. Sometimes a player or manager will come to realise this is 'their club' but for every one that does there are dozens who never give it another thought or a mention, even if they claim it when signing or while they are here. It's just a job to all these people.

[Come On You Irons]

In his first post match interview after the draw at Everton, this cսnt was banging on about "our industry".

Sums it up how he sees it (and likely most foreign managers). Big business and just a very well paid job for him. No affiliation or connection whatsoever to the club he happens to be currently employed by.

Rodgers would be a better fit for us, for sure.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Crack head out, Brendan in. 

[El Scorchio]

I don't get the whole Irving thing... Don't forget before last season he was playing in the lofty heights of the AUSTRIAN second division. If he was a teenager then maybe you could understand it but as has been mentioned he's in his mid 20"s with not much regular first team experience behind him.

He would probably be fine at Scottish Prem level but I think even the Championship would prove too hectic for him.


 

Only at West Ham, when Mateus Fernandes and others are sat on the bench at the same time.

[Massive Attack]

He does look a bit like a crackhead. When was his last drug test? It would go some way to explaining his wacky tactics..

[twoleftfeet]

I'll take Rogers over fucking Nuno crack head anyday.
Didn't really want him Spurs reject,he had one lucky season that ended throwing away a certain CL place,his last ten games have been shit with us and Forest.



Crack head

 

[BoleynGone]

I'll take Rogers over fucking Nuno crack head anyday.
Didn't really want him Spurs reject,he had one lucky season that ended throwing away a certain CL place,his last ten games have been shit with us and Forest.


 

[Mad Ferret]

Brendan Rodgers now available.

[threesixty]

The biggest mystery is what happened to Fearon? 
Probably the best performance I saw in preseason and hasn’t been seen or heard of since..  baffling! 

[Dick Shaftsbury]

I don't get the whole Irving thing... Don't forget before last season he was playing in the lofty heights of the AUSTRIAN second division. If he was a teenager then maybe you could understand it but as has been mentioned he's in his mid 20"s with not much regular first team experience behind him.

He would probably be fine at Scottish Prem level but I think even the Championship would prove too hectic for him.


 

 

It was the most random signing in recent times.

[Chedylan 3]

Is this porro pillock still here?

fuck him off already 

[eusebiovic]

I don't get the whole Irving thing... Don't forget before last season he was playing in the lofty heights of the AUSTRIAN second division. If he was a teenager then maybe you could understand it but as has been mentioned he's in his mid 20"s with not much regular first team experience behind him.

He would probably be fine at Scottish Prem level but I think even the Championship would prove too hectic for him.

 

[Sir Alf]

Yeah Irvine is a bizarre one. The Brentford game ok he had to see what he could do by starting his first competitive match in the PL.  But firstly starting him alongside Souck as our defensive double pivot in a PL that is now faster and more intense tgan ever was suicidal and was proved within 15 mins of the fame starting at Leeds. 

Lots of people clutching at straws to rationalise it. What was in Nuno and his coaches minds aside from crack, fentyonol or crystal meth? 

Is it that by focusing so hard on set piece defending that was causing us to concede so many, he thought play as many tall players as possible? If so why not Magassa? 

Was it, as Carlton Cole suggested, he was trying to protect the younger players? 

Was the Soucek and Irvine pairing working so well im training routines and drills, if so what were these routines? Couldnt have involved pressing or running ? 

It will be added to one of many unsolved mysteries for future generations to ponder
 

[Massive Attack]

 

How many times do the fans have to say "We need energy and legs in midfield". We bought Fernandes, Magassa and have Potts. Yet Nuno has dropped them for, guess what, older players. Play two of them with Paqueta - Or, play all three and drop Paqueta. 



 

 

 

Thing is Andy Irving aint even old he's just shit at this level - he was 25 in May. To start him twice ahead of the other 3 who have all looked better than him by some distance gives off sabotage vibes. It made fuck all sense. Or are we all going to seriously believe he suddenly turned in to Andy Irvinho in a handful of Training sessions megging every cսnt in sight before tapping the ball in to Areolas net with his left arse cheek. I mean, stranger things have happened in Football but..

The same manager who also instantly launched an honest likeable Pro that's never caused any trouble in his career out the Squad the second he walked through the door. Anyone thought how that must look to his fellow Team mates and making a questionable 1st impression to everyone trying to endear himself to everyone..

What you playing at, Nuno?

[Sir Alf]

We all agree Russ. What perhaps should be understood though is that even though starting Potts , Magassa, Fernandes most games will guarantee improvement in central midfield, the appalling squad as a whole still may prevent the results we need being achieved against many teams.  That said, there will be a much better chance even if its getting a draw not a win.

The lack of a target man / striker and losing our best CB ( low bar ) will still limit what we fan achieve results wise and Nuno needs to come up with something a lot better than false 9 Paqueta.  On the subject of Paqueta, play him deeper or bench him from starting. 

[Russ of the BML]

Nuno should do all he can to not be part of the problem. Last couple of games his unusual line up's, odd tactics and questionable substitutions have seen him rightly criticised. But with the bigger picture playing out, Nuno needs to keep his head below the trench, stay clear and let the fans v board issue play out. 

How many times do the fans have to say "We need energy and legs in midfield". We bought Fernandes, Magassa and have Potts. Yet Nuno has dropped them for, guess what, older players. Play two of them with Paqueta - Or, play all three and drop Paqueta. 

And Paqueta being played as a striker with Wilson on the bench. Irving as a 10. Persisting with CB's that can't defend. 

FFS Nuno - Just pick a team that consists of a blend of energy and experience and play them all in their right positions. Stop the rot and get some results. 

[Pav BML]

It's a good point Massive makes about the coaching team. It feels like he doesn't see himself here long term that he's not brought his own guys in? Hopefully he has a clause that allows us to get rid for next to nothing if he has us 19th/20th come 1st of January. Some very questionable decisions so far and I can only hope he's finished with these ridiculous starting line ups. Part of me thinks no one can sort this team out but we've got no bloody chance if he thinks the team that started Friday can compete against anyone in this league 

[Massive Attack]

Further to Nuno agreeing to managing West Ham. It's worth remembering that it took a good week or so to agree too whilst Potter laid out all the cones, just like dead man walking Lopetegui when negotiating Potters contract persistently hovering in the background. What was most important to them was getting the contract length and value right above anything else. To me that says a lot. Sure they'll want to get a good contract it just comes across as being by far the most important. They aint in a hurry to take over, they're happy it's protracted even at the expense of the Football Club they could be managing as long as that lucrative contract is delivered.

Now when I think of other prospective managers who are willing to manage us regardless of contract length and value like Bilic it's because he deeply cares about this Football Club and just the kind of character you want fighting our corner within the Club. He was more than happy to agree to a short term 6 month deal if that's what it meant to manage us.

I think there's something in that and I appreciate they'll be others who will just say I'm overthinking it which is fair enough but it's what I feel about the situation. Something's off and doesn't sit right and I know who I'd want in the trenches giving their all for this Club. One to keep an eye on maybe..

Does Nuno really want to be here? Because if he does, he's got to start showing it.

 

The hold up wasn't between us and Oh NO. The hold up was his Forest contract, we has still on salary and told Forest he wouldn't take another job unless they weighed out 80% of his remaining contract, settled on 60% apparently.

Does he want to be here? Given his team selections and the way he held Forest up, probably not.

Sure but it still required the new contract to be right and 3 years was pushed when the Club wanted to offer him less to begin with and it dragged on until Sullivan eventually caved in out of desperation. That's how I understood it anyway. All I'm asking from Nuno is to show us all he really wants to be here. Because right now it looks like he couldn't give much of a fuck. 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... me8n7y28go


Sources close to the situation have told BBC Sport steps towards the 51-year-old's appointment started before the game against Palace.

Primarily on an exploratory basis, the Hammers were keen to determine whether he would be willing to return to work so soon after losing his job at the City Ground.

The initial response was encouraging - he intimated he was open to it.

According to sources close to Bilic, he was already planning his coaching team.

Intriguingly, it is understood Bilic would have been willing to take the job on a deal that ran until the end of the season - making him an attractive proposition to Sullivan, who is believed to have preferred a short-term appointment.

The focus at the start of this week centred on Nuno. Sources indicated Sullivan, at least at that point, maintained his preference to make an appointment until the summer while offering a 'huge bonus' should the new man keep them in the Premier League.

Indeed, despite the obvious ease of appointing Bilic, talks with Nuno have been ongoing since the start of the week.

BBC Sport sources indicated on Wednesday that Sullivan was minded to meet Nuno's requests, and it is understood agreement on a three-year deal was finally reached on Friday evening.

[THUNDERCLINT]

Further to Nuno agreeing to managing West Ham. It's worth remembering that it took a good week or so to agree too whilst Potter laid out all the cones, just like dead man walking Lopetegui when negotiating Potters contract persistently hovering in the background. What was most important to them was getting the contract length and value right above anything else. To me that says a lot. Sure they'll want to get a good contract it just comes across as being by far the most important. They aint in a hurry to take over, they're happy it's protracted even at the expense of the Football Club they could be managing as long as that lucrative contract is delivered.

Now when I think of other prospective managers who are willing to manage us regardless of contract length and value like Bilic it's because he deeply cares about this Football Club and just the kind of character you want fighting our corner within the Club. He was more than happy to agree to a short term 6 month deal if that's what it meant to manage us.

I think there's something in that and I appreciate they'll be others who will just say I'm overthinking it which is fair enough but it's what I feel about the situation. Something's off and doesn't sit right and I know who I'd want in the trenches giving their all for this Club. One to keep an eye on maybe..

Does Nuno really want to be here? Because if he does, he's got to start showing it.

 

 

The hold up wasn't between us and Oh NO. The hold up was his Forest contract, we has still on salary and told Forest he wouldn't take another job unless they weighed out 80% of his remaining contract, settled on 60% apparently.

Does he want to be here? Given his team selections and the way he held Forest up, probably not.

[Massive Attack]

Further to Nuno agreeing to managing West Ham. It's worth remembering that it took a good week or so to agree too whilst Potter laid out all the cones, just like dead man walking Lopetegui when negotiating Potters contract persistently hovering in the background. What was most important to them was getting the contract length and value right above anything else. To me that says a lot. Sure they'll want to get a good contract it just comes across as being by far the most important. They aint in a hurry to take over, they're happy it's protracted even at the expense of the Football Club they could be managing as long as that lucrative contract is delivered.

Now when I think of other prospective managers who are willing to manage us regardless of contract length and value like Bilic it's because he deeply cares about this Football Club and just the kind of character you want fighting our corner within the Club. He was more than happy to agree to a short term 6 month deal if that's what it meant to manage us.

I think there's something in that and I appreciate they'll be others who will just say I'm overthinking it which is fair enough but it's what I feel about the situation. Something's off and doesn't sit right and I know who I'd want in the trenches giving their all for this Club. One to keep an eye on maybe..

Does Nuno really want to be here? Because if he does, he's got to start showing it.

I don't think you can blame any manager for wanting to make sure his contract is as good as possible, especially as we know Sullivan always low balls any kind of offer he makes and probably expects negotiations to take a while.

As for Nuno vs Bilic, one got a shit club into Europe and in the top 4 for most of last season

I would have preferred Bilic on a short term deal myself but that's more because I don't like Nuno's style of football and never wanted him here.

 

 

The contract thing taking awhile to accept the job doesn't fill me with confidence that his intentions are in the right place. Looking further back at Nuno's time at Forest he even managed to renegotiate another new 3 year contract this Summer so money is right at the forefront of his mind a lot. That's fine on a personal level, it's just it also says something about what really motivates him. I genuinely get the impression he wouldn't give a fuck if the Club launched him out the door just as long as that contract is very good, even at the expense of sullying his CV.

The Boleyn season was equally as good if not arguably better than what Nuno achieved with Forest last season whilst under intense pressure for it to be memorable. Agreed on the last bit. 

Is his heart really in it being here? I'm just not convinced..

Protracted negotiations for a lucrative 3 year contract (even at the expense of none of his Staff?) -

 

Launched Ward-Prowse out the Squad altogether 1st thing he done -

 

Agrees to coaching alongside our U21s he'd never met before -

 

Wacky tactics -

 

Ego and money looks to be the biggest drivers behind Nuno above anything else regarding the Club. This from a manager who had recently been badly scarred by his humiliating sacking at Forest 2 weeks previous with a public falling out with another controversial meddling Chairman. So a match made in heaven then going to work soon after for a notorious shitcunt like Sullivan.

The next 3 games he's got to show me he really wants to be here. Because up till now it's looking highly suspect with decisions he's making and conditions he's agreeing to.

[Rossal]

For me the next two games are huge.  He has to get the team selection correct and he has to get a tune out of them. 

If we lose to Newcastle and Burnley get rid. 

Let Potts and Robson work with a younger squad and give it a go.  Soucek, Irving, Rodriguez, JWP are deadwood and should be banished away from the first team squad at the moment. Kilman and Todibo aren't far off it. 

We don't have time to sit and wait for Nuno to do his job properly. Either shape up and start performing or fuck off. Inverted full backs alone should be a sackable offence if he tries that again. 

On what planet is playing Scarles RB a good idea when he hardly kicked a ball since Anfield last season.