Change the Laws?

[easthammer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/ar ... 431l6lzpyo

If, like me, you are fed up with the ridiculous amount of holding that now takes place in games, you might enjoy the above article. 

When you've read it, post a suggestion to solve the problem.

I would suggest a change is needed, not just at dead ball and corner kicks, but across the game in general, where holding and pushing is standard and subject to the vagaries of referees' and VAR opinions on the force and duration of the offence. Strangely, at the same time, forceful and legitimate tackles get too readily penalised.
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Thi shouldn't require the law to be changed. It just needs the law to be implemented.

The bottom line...if an action would be a foul in the centre circle, it should be a foul in the penalty area. Before the game you make it clear any holding will be penalised, and you'll keep giving penalties and yellow cards until it stops.

Then at the first corner, for every attacker holding a defender you give a yellow card. And if an attacker is being held by a defender you give a penalty.

And you keep doing it until it stops (which won't take long given that level of punishment).

So it's very easy to stamp out if you're of a mind to. 

The reality is they're not of a mind to. Hermansen's struggles at corners are symptomatic of this....yes its exaggerated because he's only 6'1 and of relatively light build, but there are no keepers in the league immune to this.

Right now I'd be telling our players not to hold, and if you get held to go down. Even if that is then enough masse. VAR will ignore a direct 50/50 battle, but can't ignore an offence with a deterministic outcome. Go down regardless the box and force a proper decision. You have to force the decision to get made and make it not ignorable. 6 players pulled to the deck at every corner does just that.

The game's sponsors, via the media & administration (as powerless, toothless intermediaries) would never allow that to happen.

IMO the 'drop to the floor when held' collectively is the best defence against a team like Arsenal.  Trying ot go toe to toe with them in set pieces is pointless, but you tie VAR up in knots looking at every holding incident at every corner, and force them to be reviewed. 

Force the official to make a decision by doing something they can't then ignore.

Again, I hear you and agree that something needs to be done to stop this.

The official line will be that anyone who falls to the floor after being held gets booked for simulation, and the practice will be encouraged to continue because it generates controversy, pundit reviews and automatically, by default, more sponsor propagation/"awareness".

[stubbo]

Thi shouldn't require the law to be changed. It just needs the law to be implemented.

The bottom line...if an action would be a foul in the centre circle, it should be a foul in the penalty area. Before the game you make it clear any holding will be penalised, and you'll keep giving penalties and yellow cards until it stops.

Then at the first corner, for every attacker holding a defender you give a yellow card. And if an attacker is being held by a defender you give a penalty.

And you keep doing it until it stops (which won't take long given that level of punishment).

So it's very easy to stamp out if you're of a mind to. 

The reality is they're not of a mind to. Hermansen's struggles at corners are symptomatic of this....yes its exaggerated because he's only 6'1 and of relatively light build, but there are no keepers in the league immune to this.

Right now I'd be telling our players not to hold, and if you get held to go down. Even if that is then enough masse. VAR will ignore a direct 50/50 battle, but can't ignore an offence with a deterministic outcome. Go down regardless the box and force a proper decision. You have to force the decision to get made and make it not ignorable. 6 players pulled to the deck at every corner does just that.

The game's sponsors, via the media & administration (as powerless, toothless intermediaries) would never allow that to happen.

IMO the 'drop to the floor when held' collectively is the best defence against a team like Arsenal.  Trying ot go toe to toe with them in set pieces is pointless, but you tie VAR up in knots looking at every holding incident at every corner, and force them to be reviewed. 

Force the official to make a decision by doing something they can't then ignore.

[Mike Oxsaw]

Thi shouldn't require the law to be changed. It just needs the law to be implemented.

The bottom line...if an action would be a foul in the centre circle, it should be a foul in the penalty area. Before the game you make it clear any holding will be penalised, and you'll keep giving penalties and yellow cards until it stops.

Then at the first corner, for every attacker holding a defender you give a yellow card. And if an attacker is being held by a defender you give a penalty.

And you keep doing it until it stops (which won't take long given that level of punishment).

So it's very easy to stamp out if you're of a mind to. 

The reality is they're not of a mind to. Hermansen's struggles at corners are symptomatic of this....yes its exaggerated because he's only 6'1 and of relatively light build, but there are no keepers in the league immune to this.

Right now I'd be telling our players not to hold, and if you get held to go down. Even if that is then enough masse. VAR will ignore a direct 50/50 battle, but can't ignore an offence with a deterministic outcome. Go down regardless the box and force a proper decision. You have to force the decision to get made and make it not ignorable. 6 players pulled to the deck at every corner does just that.

The game's sponsors, via the media & administration (as powerless, toothless intermediaries) would never allow that to happen.

[stubbo-admin]

Thi shouldn't require the law to be changed. It just needs the law to be implemented.

The bottom line...if an action would be a foul in the centre circle, it should be a foul in the penalty area. Before the game you make it clear any holding will be penalised, and you'll keep giving penalties and yellow cards until it stops.

Then at the first corner, for every attacker holding a defender you give a yellow card. And if an attacker is being held by a defender you give a penalty.

And you keep doing it until it stops (which won't take long given that level of punishment).

So it's very easy to stamp out if you're of a mind to. 

The reality is they're not of a mind to. Hermansen's struggles at corners are symptomatic of this....yes its exaggerated because he's only 6'1 and of relatively light build, but there are no keepers in the league immune to this.

Right now I'd be telling our players not to hold, and if you get held to go down. Even if that is then enough masse. VAR will ignore a direct 50/50 battle, but can't ignore an offence with a deterministic outcome. Go down regardless the box and force a proper decision. You have to force the decision to get made and make it not ignorable. 6 players pulled to the deck at every corner does just that.

[easthammer]

I've always wondered why refs hold up play to go and warn players while waiting for the corner. Just give a penalty or free kick straight away. They know the fucking rules.

I agree but I think if there are two players pushing and shoving each other before the corner and the ball isn't in play the ref should be able to issue a yeiiow to both players. No penalty or free kick. That might help.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

It's a joke now and some refs condone it, just look at Lego Head's team.

It comes to something when I was begging for a CFC equaliser.

[dealcanvey]

Rice against Chelsea at the weekend. Had both arms wrapped round his player. Knocked the ball onto Raya with his elbow. 

somehow no penalty. If that were us they would have given two and if they missed let them take another.

[F 129 Row66]

I've always wondered why refs hold up play to go and warn players while waiting for the corner. Just give a penalty or free kick straight away. They know the fucking rules.

[Iron Duke]

It’s become a joke, and we’ve borne the brunt of it. Our players get pushed and shoved, yet we’ve given away penalties for pushing back. You could say it is our own fault for not being street wise, and you’ll probably be right. Even so, it makes football boring and shit to watch. Same as taking five minutes for long throws. We may as well go back to the days of Don Howe, Graham Taylor and Dave Bassett.

[Far Cough UKunt]

It's a joke now and some refs condone it, just look at Lego Head's team.

[Mad Dog]

Its a major part of how leicester won the league.  They kept an eye on it after that but its got to stupid levels now

Arsenal taking it as a personal challenge