West Ham United 25/26 relegation thread

[muskie]

Odds slashed from 5/1 to 7/2.

Watch this space.

I think we're fucked.

[Mad Ferret]

Sp*rs are out of it for me. Too good to go down, no Europe anymore, and easy fixtures.

We need to focus on Forest and Leeds.

Hopefully Forest progress in Europe tonight.

[Tomshardware]

I can't see spurs not beating Forest, they do seemed to have turned a corner.  

[BoleynGone]

Tom
Agreed about Sunderland. When I was doing the WORLDFOOTBALL.NET fixture calculator predictor thing I was quite suprised at how vunerable they become. I feel though that the fixtures around the teams in the bottom half mean they will just be safe but if you look at my final table it's very close in the end between the bottom 8. 
I still think Leeds will fold a bit, they've had there good spell.

https://www.worldfootball.net/competiti ... alculator/
 

[Nutsin]

I don't think Sunderland are safe,  yes they probably only need 1 more win but their form is bottom 3 and they don't have an easy run in.

Fucking hell Tom you stoned?

[Vexed]

Despite the upturn of form since the new year and closing the gap significantly I still feel we need to start winning games and probably back to back ones to boot.

The likes of Leeds can probably survive on a point a game but we need wins at this crucial stage when there is little or no margin for error.and we are fast running out of road.

It's hard to predict how opposition teams will perform at this stage and we cant be certain that some sides with nothing to play for wont already on the beach when we or indeed our relegation rivals face them.

We simply have to do our upmost  to win our games as there is nothing more demoralising than sitting back defending only to concede late on and finish up with nothing for our efforts.

Obviously playing against City or Arsenal a point is a bonus but as for the rest we should be on the front foot.

If we go down I want us to of gone down fighting.

Start winning you say? That's a good idea. You should send the club an email or something.

We don't need to start doing anything, we're in the best form of the four teams, we just need to continue. Points per game over the last 5 (10):
West Ham: 1.2 (1.5)
Forest : 0.6 (1.1)
Leeds : 0.6 (1.0) 
Spurs : 0.2 (0.3)

On paper taking into account who we're playing, where we're playing them and their form home or away over the last ten games we are judged to have the hardest game average difficulty out of 100:
West Ham: 44.3
Leeds :  44.0
Forest : 42.9
Spurs : 41.0

But there's not much in it. I think we have plenty of reasons to be optimistic. But tell Nuno about that winning more games idea, it might just work. 

[eusebiovic]

I'm quietly optimistic without taking anything for granted. I can sense a run of wins ahead of us...2 or 3 at least.

In the run up to Christmas I was hoping they would able to pick something up but the truth was they were so shockingly bad that I wasn't expecting anything against Forest, Fulham and Wolves. So it proved...which made it even worse.

Now they have a foot in the door...they have given themselves a chance so let's hope we're the customary team that fires up the turbo and manages to pull clear.

[Gary Strodders shank]

Despite the upturn of form since the new year and closing the gap significantly I still feel we need to start winning games and probably back to back ones to boot.

The likes of Leeds can probably survive on a point a game but we need wins at this crucial stage when there is little or no margin for error.and we are fast running out of road.

It's hard to predict how opposition teams will perform at this stage and we cant be certain that some sides with nothing to play for wont already on the beach when we or indeed our relegation rivals face them.

We simply have to do our upmost  to win our games as there is nothing more demoralising than sitting back defending only to concede late on and finish up with nothing for our efforts.

Obviously playing against City or Arsenal a point is a bonus but as for the rest we should be on the front foot.

If we go down I want us to of gone down fighting.

[Massive Attack]

What they can be to us though should they likely lose at Newcastle, is go for it against both Forest and Spurs games as they can't have the mentality of they are definitely safe yet, just as they did against Leeds recently keeping them in it. 

[El Scorchio]

They've definitely come down with the Christmas decorations like a lot of promoted clubs do when they have a rocket start to the season, but they have enough points on the board already. There's no way they don't scrape another 3-5 points from the games they have left. They will want another 1-2 wins and they can actually really help us out by taking points off spurs and forest who they have to both play at home- games they will be absolutely targeting to get them undoubtedly over the line.

[Mad Ferret]

I don't think Sunderland are safe,  yes they probably only need 1 more win but their form is bottom 3 and they don't have an easy run in.

I think they'll be alright this season. I fancy them to struggle big time next year though.

[Massive Attack]

Winning at Leeds was the result they needed. Can't see them going down at all now.

[Tomshardware]

I don't think Sunderland are safe,  yes they probably only need 1 more win but their form is bottom 3 and they don't have an easy run in.

[Full Claret Jacket]

For me we have been getting relegated for a while. I know we are playing better and have been better to watch but its papering over the cracks of an awful season and poor decisions including those made by Nuno.

There arent enough games for me and we dont have enough about us to play every game as a cup final and get wins which is what we need now. 

I love a bit of optimism and why not, the team is giving it a go buts let's not get carried away, we are where we are because we stank the league out for most the season. Even Wolves are having a revival performance wise. We need a lot of luck to survive even though it is tight on points.

You managed to talk about Wolves predicament in a positive light but have us in the championship already. Impressive. 

I did but Wolves are getting relegated, I also spoke of us in a positive light in terms of current form but we are way off escaping relegation. We would need a significant run of wins which we havent managed for a few seasons. You cant assume the other teams around us are not going to pick up points. They all will. 

[Massive Attack]

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

You are like a dog with a bone obsessing over Forest all the while, yeah we get it, you think they'll go down..

And you keep obsessing over Sp*rs going, when everyone knows they'll pull clear.

*Chomp!*  

[Mad Ferret]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

You are like a dog with a bone obsessing over Forest all the while, yeah we get it, you think they'll go down..

And you keep obsessing over Sp*rs going, when everyone knows they'll pull clear.

[Manuel]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

Yeah Forest are more likely and Leeds aren't out of it but are the outsiders for me but Brentford have won their last two away games in the league against Newcastle and Villa so could definitely beat Leeds which would drag them right back in it. 

Most definitely. I can see it being nervous over there. Leeds fans almost expect disappointment.

[fraser]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

Yeah Forest are more likely and Leeds aren't out of it but are the outsiders for me but Brentford have won their last two away games in the league against Newcastle and Villa so could definitely beat Leeds which would drag them right back in it. 

[Manuel]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

You are like a dog with a bone obsessing over Forest all the while, yeah we get it, you think they'll go down..

Ag! Fair call.

[Massive Attack]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

You are like a dog with a bone obsessing over Forest all the while, yeah we get it, you think they'll go down..

[Manuel]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

We will know a lot more about where Spurs are now on Sunday, gut tells me they will start picking up. As said x 100, I've always thought Forest were more likely anyway. Apparently the Greek has told the Portugeezer not to worry about Europe at this point, apparently. I feel this will likely go to the last day at this point.

[fraser]

Yeah Wolves and their manager are doing great but.. 


We have gained more points than them in the last ten games so why all the negativity... Yes we're where we are because we started the season shit and we're playing catch up but over the last 10 games we're 7th with our light squad. So we're punching above our weight I would say, if we can continue to do so we will stay up.. We only have to get one more point than a Forest team who haven't won for 7 games.  They're in just as much danger as us. Spurs lost 5 league games in a row and before that they'd turned a corner with a draw away at City who are a lot better than Liverpool.. So still possible they could do the same again.. Not over by a long way 

[dealcanvey]

Full Claret.
Well said, to many are thinking that Nuno has changed 180 degrees. he hasn't we set up for a point. 
We're playing better but needed to. Wolves were down months ago but as a proactive manager Edwards has seen the bigger picture. He's rejuvenated a team looking at next season. Wolves could have easily been worse than the Derby team,that would ahve set them back years.
The 4 teams in the fight need to win games not a point,Leeds are still in the relegation zone as they have only won 2 in 19 ,many thought they were well clear.
We're running out of games and the Spurs v Forest game will be defining for the bottom teams. A draw is almost certain as it's drastic for who ever loses. Does one of them go for it against the grain and surprise everyone.
If we go for the 1 shot on target theory and hoping that gets us a point or win it won't happen.

 

 

Why do you think the approach we had against Man City will be our approach for the rest of the season?

I'm sure we would have liked to have more than 1 shot. Our record against them is terrible and Saturdays game was a huge result.

[BoleynGone]

Full Claret.
Well said, to many are thinking that Nuno has changed 180 degrees. he hasn't we set up for a point. 
We're playing better but needed to. Wolves were down months ago but as a proactive manager Edwards has seen the bigger picture. He's rejuvenated a team looking at next season. Wolves could have easily been worse than the Derby team,that would ahve set them back years.
The 4 teams in the fight need to win games not a point,Leeds are still in the relegation zone as they have only won 2 in 19 ,many thought they were well clear.
We're running out of games and the Spurs v Forest game will be defining for the bottom teams. A draw is almost certain as it's drastic for who ever loses. Does one of them go for it against the grain and surprise everyone.
If we go for the 1 shot on target theory and hoping that gets us a point or win it won't happen.
 

[threesixty]

3 wins and 2 draws, or 4 wins out of the last 8 games.
It's tough but it just comes down to beating the teams we are meant to have a chance at beating. Wolves, Leeds, Palace or Everton, and then getting a couple of draws from Arsenal or Villa etc.
On paper and given our form its doable.

But we just dont do what is expected of us sometimes, the last wolves game we lost completely shocked me. If anything that was the worst result of the season and had we done that one, we'd be out of the relegation zone. Not sure if that was when Paco came in after that? But fingers crossed. I'm not certain, but I think we have a good chance. Strangely, more of a chance than when we did it with Tevez. Where I think we won 7 in a row or something. Now that was crazy.
 

[dealcanvey]

For me we have been getting relegated for a while. I know we are playing better and have been better to watch but its papering over the cracks of an awful season and poor decisions including those made by Nuno.

There arent enough games for me and we dont have enough about us to play every game as a cup final and get wins which is what we need now. 

I love a bit of optimism and why not, the team is giving it a go buts let's not get carried away, we are where we are because we stank the league out for most the season. Even Wolves are having a revival performance wise. We need a lot of luck to survive even though it is tight on points.

You managed to talk about Wolves predicament in a positive light but have us in the championship already. Impressive.