Paqueta

[LeroysBoots]

"85 million !?! Lol, if we get that I'd piss myself Bloke was fucking terrible today, showboating twat"

[Massive Attack]

"What I'd like to know is how long this'll all take exactly? As in when the verdict is given of being found guilty or not guilty. It's dragged on for a year as it is so far and he's still allowed to play. Doesn't seem fair to being made to sweat this long when not found guilty yet. Also if he was found guilty, surely it'll become a Police matter too as its very serious what they're accusing him of. They're not fucking about here from what I can tell. Not that I think he will be found guilty, unless they have concrete evidence of communication of deliberately doing it."

[Mike Oxsaw]

"Are they dragging this out for a maximum publicity effect, rather than aiming for a prosecution? Given that the gambling company who reported this feel that they have all the information needed (I assume they didn't honour the bets) you would have thought that it could have been wrapped up in a couple of days. Smells to me of an objection to the ""wrong sort of people"" playing the system and winning rather than the two players collaberating to defraud - and on the money they're on, they could have simply and quietly paid the ""ransom"" and nothing more would have been said."

[onsideman]

"Because you and you alone have the ability to win the bet (or win it for others). In a team sport it's the only way you would have ultimate control. You can bet on your team to win and play out of your skin, but victory is far from assured. Similarly you can bet on your team to lose and play like a cսnt, but the other team may be equally shit and not capitalise... or you may be hooked and replaced by the match winner. Spot betting and therefore spot fixing is 100% guaranteed... getting deliberately booked - like bowling a no ball in cricket - is entirely within your gift and is therefore fraudulent"

[frank_booth]

"Can someone tell me why spot fixing is worse than betting of an outcome of a game you are playing? Surely both affect the outcome of a game, whether in a positive or negative way. Match fixing I understand. But giving up a throw in or getting a yellow card...a lifetime ban seems a bit harsh to me."

[onsideman]

"If the FA find him guilty and issue a ban then I imagine his recourse would be through the Court of Arbitration for Sport, but obviously the Pakistani bowlers were arrested and prosecuted so I do agree that the absence of any police involvement would seem to imply that the FA don't have the level of evidence that would be required for a criminal case"

[onsideman]

nychammer 4:43 Sun May 26 Because this is spot fixing!

[Fauxstralian]

Haven’t read the Samuel’s article but would imagine he is still owned by us for the rest of his contract so would we have to recognise the loss now? I think we should invite Man City to show their confidence in the player by triggering his buyout on July 1. If they don’t we should point out to Paqueta that they have abandoned him unlike us & he should sign a new buyout free contract Then get the charges thrown out as just a bit of BRAZILIAN HI-JINKS

[onsideman]

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[Ron Eff]

"I agree, threesixty. The fact the player and the club are denying it and committing to fighting the accusation suggests there is highly unlikely to be any “hard” evidence. Otherwise, like you say, he’d admit it and probably create a sob story (threatened, addicted, whatever) to try and reduce any punishment as Tonali did. Sure, the balance of probability suggests something might have happened given the location of the bets, but it doesn’t feel right that you can end a man’s career on that assumption alone without any actual evidence. In fact, to base that sort of decision and punishment on a 51% chance is plain wrong. If that happens, he will obviously counter claim given the severity of the punishment vs the lack of any real evidence. Clearly if there is an audit trail he’s both an idiot and fucked. It’s not really fixed a result has it since it hasn’t had any real impact on it. It’s defrauded the (salt of the earth) bookmakers and cost them cash. On the basis it’s fraud, it should be a criminal case and they would be required to find him guilty with 99% certainty. Truth is though, absent of hard evidence it wouldn’t even get to court."

[nychammer]

"In 2017, Joey Barton was banned for 18 months for placing 1,260 bets on matches between 2006 and 2016, which included at least five matches in which he was a player. Now, can the FA actually prove Paqueta did anything approaching that, and if so why would the punishment be any more severe?"

[Far Cough]

The original football betting scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_British_football_match-fixing_scandal

[w4hammer]

"martin samuels article in the paper today highlights if he's banned it potetially fucks our FFp status up as we have to write-off £40 M or whatever he's valued at on the books... this is one of the things that fucked up evertons books and the difference in the value- on the books of gilfy sigerson after they sacked him for nonecing I cant think they will be able to find evidence of an email or an ext that they can tie to him...if they can, he's a fukn idiot"

[threesixty]

"I feel like if they had anything concrete Paqueta would have pleaded guilty by now. I think thats what generally happens. If its just that he probably did it because of the suspicion, but there is no actual evidence, then they ban him for 10yrs... well thats another court case I imagine because what they are accusing him of is criminal activity. So he would want to clear his name, and it just goes right back to they dont have the evidence to say he really did something. So any ban will get overturned. I feel like they dont want to look like mugs by accusing him so they charging him. And maybe hope him having to testify gives them the evidence somehow. But British authorities ALWAYS double down even if they're wrong on something or cant prove it. Look at the post office shit. It's just in our culture."

[twoleftfeet]

"Some of you lot have clearly been listening to those twats at C & B, they love a bit of West Ham gloom. I’m pretty sure Lopetegui and Steidten have a war chest that doesn’t include any money from selling Paqueta."

[goose]

"If someone loves a pound note, then borrowing £85m plus interest against £85m which will be paid in a couple of months is completely counterintuitive."

[brundal]

"The other problem with this Paqueta betting charge , is that we all know Sullivan likes a pound note and has probably already borrowed the money City were going to pay bit similar to what he did with the Rice deal , so he will now be looking to finance that loan so I would not be surprised if is looking at selling Kudus or possibly Bowen."

[Fauxstralian]

The initial claim was that there were a series of bets from relatives on Paqueta Island for him and his Brazilian mate in a European league to get booked on the same day. Bizarre oddball bets & the connection with him is obvious Has the mate been charged?

[Hammer and Pickle]

They need to produce evidence Paqueta was placing bets himself or instructing 3rd parties how to bet. But that’s in a court of law. This is an FA “investigation” and all they need is suspicion.

[happygilmore]

Factual evidence of suspicious betting activity linked to Paqueta and spot fixing. I'm sure you are familiar with it in cricket. Not treated lightly. I'm not sure where you are getting the fiction angle from

[Hammer and Pickle]

happygilmore 12:57 Sun May 26 No but you won’t be unfamiliar with the phrase “life is stranger than fiction”. We are dealing with the FA here so all you need to do is join the dots and you’ve got a proper humdinger.

[Hammer and Pickle]

Yes Dancer - that’s definitely one way of looking at it.

[happygilmore]

"Hammer and Pickle 11:45 Sun May 26 Re: Paqueta Pickle, Are you working on a fiction novel?"

[goose]

Aside from the fact Pickle clearly has no grasp of how accounting works in football……. The rest is just a load of nonsense and bullshit. Standard stuff from the Polish tramp.

[Manuel]

Hammer and Pickle 11:45 Sun May 26 What a crock of shit.