Euro 2024 - Inc Southgate resignation

[Phall Throw]

"We seem to have an England v Bosnia thread but not an actual Euro 2024 thread so here it is So, do we realistically think England can win it? On paper we obviously have a very talented squad but I just don't see us going all the way. For me it's ""same old"" when it comes to England. Breeze the group, favourable draw in last 16 and win then up against far superior opposition in the QFs and out. At best I can see us at the SF stage before being beaten again. Winners for me: France, Portugal, Spain Dark horses: Germany - even though it's a home tournament they've been in a consolidation period, could go close Biggest flops: Scotland - no goals scored Top goalscorer: Mbappe I'm just hoping it's a decent tournament with plenty of decent games that's not ruined by VAR (are they using it?) consolidation period but could go close"

[jfk]

"Foden has looked bang average,obviously a good player in a system surrounded by superstars. I don’t get the hype regarding Bellingham attitude stinks,wasn’t liked by team mates at Dortmond, Admittedly I don’t follow Spanish football. Our best player by a mile has been Saka. credit to the young players who took their penalties impeccably The Dutch set up is to play attacking football so our defence will need to step up a gear . We’re more than capable of beating them on the counter.. Would much rather play Spain or France in the final if we get there over a very unlucky German side at home. We’ve been crap,France worse.Spain lucky to beat the Germans in my humble. About time we won the fucking thing."

[Ron Eff]

"Foden is not overrated. Every club in the world would have him. He stands out as the star man in Man City’s team. The difference is he isn’t given any freedom with England. Messi wouldn’t stand playing in a team that has every player in your own final third without a single outlet until you concede. It means on the rare occasions he does get the ball in dangerous areas he is trying too hard to do something special and overplaying. It was exactly the same with Paqueta last year. England, like West Ham recently, play 15/20 yards too deep. It’s such an easy fix, step up the pitch, press higher, move more and dominate games. It doesn’t mean you have to lose your shape. Some managers just don’t have the desire for front foot football."

[Ron Eff]

"Foden is not overrated. Every club in the world would have him. He stands out as the star man in Man City’s team. The difference is he isn’t given any freedom with England. Messi wouldn’t stand playing in a team that has every player in your own final third without a single outlet until you concede. It means on the rare occasions he does get the ball in dangerous areas he is trying too hard to do something special and overplaying. It was exactly the same with Paqueta last year. England, like West Ham recently, play 15/20 yards too deep. It’s such an easy fix, step up the pitch, press higher, move more and dominate games. It doesn’t mean you have to lose your shape. Some managers just don’t have the desire for front foot football."

[Nutsin]

"Not much of a spectacle watching England but we are in the semi final. This tournament is there for the taking. I’ll have a right old knees up if we finally manage to win it. Saka and Palmer are the two players that are starting to show out. I do like Bellinghams game and attitude. I’d like to see more of Toney. Still think Foden is overrated, especially for England although he had his best game for England against the Swiss. Walker as good as he is has a tendency to switch off and let the forward in front of him in front of goal. His lapse has cost England on a couple of occasions now. Holland will be our biggest test, I fancy our chances this time around. Come on England!"

[,]

Holland in the semi gives a better possibility of us getting to the final than having to play Spain or France. We can and should beat the Dutch and we certainly have the experience and ability in the team to do so. The right tactics and mindset will be needed to make it to the final.

[,]

Holland in the semi gives a better possibility of us getting to the final than having to play Spain or France. We can and should beat the Dutch and we certainly have the experience and ability in the team to do so. The right tactics and mindset will be needed to make it to the final.

[Fauxstralian]

It probably helped coming in late but Shaw balanced the team better. A left footed left back eh? Radical Will he stick with 3 at the back & will Guehi come back given Konsa had a good game In all games have looked more threatening with Palmer on the pitch. Is always on the move & making things happen The elephant in the room is the turgid form of Kane. Will never be dropped but would be ironic if he’d gashed his shin Jimmy Greaves style when Southgate body checked him into the dugout & one of the others came in Geoff Hurst style

[onsideman]

"Ron Eff 4:45 Sun Jul 7 Southgate would never play Bowen on the left, so he wouldn't even consider him instead of Eze or Gordon... which is ironic given his determination to play Trippier on the wrong side all tournament"

[Ron Eff]

"I don’t think we beat the Dutch unless there is a drastic change in approach. Almost need a mindset that we are one down at all times. The luck runs out eventually when you churn out the negative shit we have. Nobody is that lucky, you would imagine. You’d think he’s had enough warnings by now, but he’s a stubborn fucker."

[Ron Eff]

"Kane needs someone (or two) with pace on the wings to be effective. See Son, Gnabry, Musiala etc, where he can drop in and turn creator as well as being clinical when be does get a chance in the box. It just doesn’t work in this system. It’s a system that needs running in the channels and constant movement from the striker. The exact same reason Antonio was our only striker to work under Moyes. When did Eze move ahead of Bowen in the pecking order? Completely switched off from his defensive duties in extra time and England got lucky. I’m not buying that wingers can’t do a job on the opposite side to their usual. In fact, if you have a right footed left back, I’d argue it is essential to have a left footed winger to provide at least some natural width. Bowen is criminally underrated, even by some of our own. If he played for one of the popular six, he would see much more international game time."

[zico]

Interesting that coming into the tournament the main worry was the defence but it's been the attack that's been in need of improvement. Thought they defended quite well last night and Konsa was excellent . Creates an interesting problem for Southgate with Guehi available for the Semi.

[terry-h]

"If Shaquiri‚Äôs corner kick in the dying moments of extra time had gone in with England‚Äôs goal minder floundering,instead of bouncing away off the crossbar, the cսnt Southgate would have fucked off by now in disgrace. ENGERLAND! ENGERLAND!"

[Manuel]

"ED - You've also been saying for the past 3 tournaments that Pickford is likely to make a major fuck up and cost us, but you have still have at least one game left :-)"

[Manuel]

"Fwiw, I'd rather play Spain if we manage to get past the Dutch, yes they have looked the best side but think we have a problem with France, they have our number and can see the same ending as in the last world cup, Spain, golden generation aside, have a habit of fucking things up when it comes to the business end, yea I know we do as well, but mentally I think we're better off playing the Spanish?"

[Sir Alf]

Many have been saying for a few tournaments that Kane limits what the team can do going forward. He is effective within a system where there are players running ahead but simply too slow as a target man / lone man upfront. He is not the only problem but the biggest. But Southgate picks on reputation and not form now and tries to fit the best players to a system of tactics which does not work. You cannot always play all your best players in the same team at the same time without upsetting the balance. But Watkins needs to be introduced and early enough to make an impact or you let Bellingham play as a false 9 as he does at Madrid. We aint beating Spain and surely cannot rely on a late bit of individual brilliance to save us each time. Southgate is a lucky manager which is his biggest strength by far.

[Eerie Descent]

"I've been saying this about Kane for the last 3 tournaments, take the penalties away and his goal record in tourn's ain't great, but more than that, he is such a hindrance on the team as he just can't run. He is fucking painfully slow, and has never, ever turned up in a big game. Bit mad, we've won 1 game in 90 minutes, and we're in a semi-final. Southgate is a very lucky manager, but the luck runs out when we play a proper team."

[,]

"I agree with the Kane observations. With the likes of Bellingham and Foden in the team the last thing needed is for Kane to drop back too. Last night the Swiss centre backs basically had Kane in their pockets. Noticeable to me too was that Southgate hooked him indicating that there were others he had confidence in for the likely penalty shoot out. So for the semi I would like to see either Toney or Watkins up front, not drifting back, giving the likes of Virgil and Ake something more than Kane to contend with."

[only1billybonds]

"Kane is looking like the weak link in the final 3rd of the pitch, he seems to have less affect with each passing game. Can't see him being dropped though, one thing I'll say about Southgate is that he is fiercely loyal. I also think the end of this tournament will see the centre of Southgate as England manager, think he'll quit regardless of where we end up in the coming days."

[Far Cough]

Pickford's water bottle: https://scontent-lhr8-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/449949293_10160477931415698_3665536842659439372_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=wMNRYuFkttcQ7kNvgG5Wj5u&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-2.xx&oh=00_AYCaC6GJwYqHfopW0uKV2MEy27_fb8KZBl00KTTnNcSx8g&oe=66901A17

[onsideman]

Berlin has the highest Turkish population in the world after only Ankara and Istanbul so it's not surprising they took over the stadium tbf

[Mex Martillo]

"England are way too ridged. Too many defender stay back so attackers were with 2-3 Swiss when attacking the box. Same at the other end, too many attackers not helping the defence so in the few attacks made Swiss had space. May be the Dutch don't have a 10 man defence and that helps England play some decent football at last."

[Manuel]

"In the second half of extra time I thought the Swiss were going to score, hit the bar from the corner and slung in some dangerous crosses from the left and with Pickford needing to pull off a half decent save. Losing to the Dutch will still be seen as failure for sure, but probably won't be viewed as an utter disaster as it would have been losing to the Slovaks and to a lesser degree last night, so he's probably done the minimum now? I think he's done anyway even if we win the thing, the criticism has clearly got to him and he genuinely seems a bit perplexed by it, sending out a message that the media and fans don't understand how tough these games are and how much planning and detail goes into it all, regardless of the oppo."

[Manuel]

"I suppose Southgate should get some credit for our penalties being so good, also gives you more confidence moving forward. I'm actually pleased we have Netherlands, yes Turkey's support is off the charts but that would have meant England's support would have been drowned out. We didn't play well again, although marginally better imo, what was with the BBC's pundits arse licking though? Fancy Shaw might start on Wednesday."

[Manuel]

"I suppose Southgate should get some credit for our penalties being so good, also gives you more confidence moving forward. I'm actually pleased we have Netherlands, yes Turkey's support is off the charts but that would have meant England's support would have been drowned out. We didn't play well again, although marginally better imo, what was with the BBC's pundits arse licking though? Fancy Shaw might start on Wednesday."

[collyrob]

Watching the copa here. Obviously when paqueta is on it he’s great. But his theatrics would do your head in. Just needless moaning and rolling around