Euro 2024 - Inc Southgate resignation

[Phall Throw]

"We seem to have an England v Bosnia thread but not an actual Euro 2024 thread so here it is So, do we realistically think England can win it? On paper we obviously have a very talented squad but I just don't see us going all the way. For me it's ""same old"" when it comes to England. Breeze the group, favourable draw in last 16 and win then up against far superior opposition in the QFs and out. At best I can see us at the SF stage before being beaten again. Winners for me: France, Portugal, Spain Dark horses: Germany - even though it's a home tournament they've been in a consolidation period, could go close Biggest flops: Scotland - no goals scored Top goalscorer: Mbappe I'm just hoping it's a decent tournament with plenty of decent games that's not ruined by VAR (are they using it?) consolidation period but could go close"

[Manuel]

"What I'm perplexed about more than anything, which I didn't see coming, is this whole month we haven't kept or gained possession further forward, not mounted many attacks, scored many goals, not played with any real pace, not had that many genuine goal attempts, but unless my memory is playing tricks with me in the last world cup we had France pinned back and were unlucky to lose, had Italy pinned back in 21 (until Rice come off anyway) I can't remember how the Croatia game in 2018 panned out? Southgate has said these weren't his instructions, which has been backed up by some of the players, it's just hard to explain considering the talent we have. In short, we've been a real dull watch, but it was a fairly dull tournament."

[threesixty]

"Russ ""To not do so is ridiculous. It's just a crazy stat. I know its hard to win a WC or a Euros... But come on."" This is the childish view of football that I see all over nowadays. The whole serial loser/winner thing. It's just dumb. How many different teams in the world have won a major tournament? Very few. So by definition pretty much all teams are serial losers. Same as in our leagues. Outside of 2 or 3 teams in the last decade everyone is a serial loser. How meaningful is that? Why bother playing if 95% of everyone in a tournament or league is a ""serial loser"". Its just silly. Maybe it's my age, but I've never expected much out of an English football team. Mainly because the root culture of English football has always been defensive hoof ball and no other countries kids grow up playing that way. It's now changing, slowly and we are seeing the fruits of that. Yes Southgate needs to tweak this and keep up with how younger English kids are playing football. Thats my critiscim of him. But personally, I think he can do that from a position of strength, (finishing runner up in two tournaments). But if he goes, fine, it is what it is."

[threesixty]

"He's lucky, everyone's lucky. Spain were lucky to not get the pen against Germany etc. There is always luck in sport. But over a long period of time it's not luck is it? He took an absolute shit show of a team and now routinely gets to the latter stages/finals of major tournaments. That isn't just luck. My issue is that management is actually ""managing"" people. It's not just tactics. It's getting these boys mentally right to play and ironing out problems not just on the pitch but off it. I think he does that part well. Capello didnt. Sven didnt. Taylor didnt. So many did not do that. Venables and Robson arguably better man managers and our players responded and did relatively well. If someone like Howe comes in I'd be fine because I think. he's a great man manager. But I just think it's mental how we talk about this guy with the record he has. And this ""he hasn't got it in him to win when it matters"" crap. Every game matters in a major tournament. What kind of crap statement is that? How do you get to a final if you dont win games? idiot."

[zico]

"8 years ago after the Iceland debacle all the ""experts"" were saying England needed to move away from the ""English"" way of playing and move towards keeping possession of the ball. 8 years later they still can't do that against sides equal or better than them. In every game Pickford launches a ball from kick off and in every single game as far as I remember it's given the opposition possession straight off. Spain held on to it last night for the first 10 minutes or so with England hardly getting a sniff. The defensive sitting back strategy, players played out of position, unfit players and favourites being played, a lack of tactical awareness and substitutions too late can all rightly be aimed at the manager. However it has to be said that the players in general haven't performed. It can be argued that out of the regular starters only Pickford (goalkeeping rather than distribution), Guehi and Stones have been fairly consistent in their jobs. If I didn't watch football and had only just watched this tournament many others would have looked no more than average. I'd be questioning how the hell Kane is England's all time top scorer, how Rice is a 100m player and how on earth Bellingham is playing for Real Madrid and is on the shortlist for Ballon d'Or. On these showings Rodri is a cut above the likes of Bellingam, Mainoo and Rice, indeed Rodris half time replacement was a cut above. That said the manager has to take responsibility for not getting the best out of them."

[Russ of the BML]

"threesixty 1:01 Mon Jul 15 But he is a serial loser. Why can you not see that. In four major tournaments we have played as good as, or better teams on four occasions. And lost all four games. Surely, you have to win one of those games? Surely! To not do so is ridiculous. It's just a crazy stat. I know its hard to win a WC or a Euros... But come on. It's just in Southgate's DNA. And that feeds into the players. Under Southgate we have become obsessed with championing mediocrity. He knows how to lose. He does it well. He sits in those press conferences and comes to life when we get knocked out. He is a purveyor of misery."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"""I knew right from the beginning when Pickford started lumping it via route one"" On the radio, someone mentioned that there had been more of those route 1 attempts, than any other England games since the 1940s. Whether or not they have the real stats for all that from back then, who knows. But this is something that Ron Greenwood picked up on as a major problem with our style of play. In 1953. Incredible really."

[WHU(Exeter)]

"""I knew right from the beginning when Pickford started lumping it via route one"" On the radio, someone mentioned that there had been more of those route 1 attempts, than any other England games since the 1940s. Whether or not they have the real stats for all that from back then, who knows. But this is something that Ron Greenwood picked up on as a major problem with our style of play. In 1953. Incredible really."

[Eerie Descent]

"The biggest problem is the manager. He was the biggest problem before the tournament started, and he is the reason we never beat good teams. The whole country, bar a couple of turnips like you and threesixty, can see what the problem is. Even the beige pundits on tele have got stuck into him, when does that EVER happen? He hasn't got it in him to win when it matters. His squad selection was wrong, his team selections were fucking appalling, he doesn't go out to win games, instead he goes out not to lose. The one thing he's got in his favour is he is ridiculously lucky, which got us to the final, but you need more than luck to be a true winner."

[Northern Sold]

"Stats don't lie... that's the thing with stats... just like the stats of us not reaching any major tournaments for large stretches of our life... so yeah he has been 'successful' in reaching finals, semi's etc... he's been far more 'successful' with teams I think are inferior to so called Golden Generation mobs with higher vaunted so called managers... at least he's given us a ride .... do I think his time is up?? Yup... 8 years is more than long enough... time to bring in the next serial loser."

[Far Cough]

"Yeah I agree about Rice but then again, no one on there apart from Palmer, covered themselves in glory. I knew right from the beginning when Pickford started lumping it via route one, that we were in for a long night. If you're gonna lump the fucking ball, you might as well utilise the whole team of Stoke City in their pomp. Utter fucking cunts."

[maverick180]

Anyone that thinks he’s statistically a good manager should take a look at the stat of playing 6 inferior teams on the way to the final and only managing to win 2 of those games inside of 90 mins I think 95% of the British public could achieve better stats than those with this crop of players let alone a supposed professional manager The blokes an absolute loser

[Northern Sold]

The biggest problem for me... as it was the last final and every other time we meet a 'decent' team is that our midfield gets battered.... Spain lose Rodri... his replacement comes on and never missed a pass... Declan played like a a huffing puffing championship player... virtually everytime he got the ball it was a hot potato and was given up... he was fucking awful the whole month... fuck him off and get the Palace lad in who looks like at least he can retain the ball

[Eerie Descent]

"""I cant think of many managers on earth, ever, who’s been in consecutive semi, then 2 finals at major tournaments."" One was a QF, but don't let that get it the way of championing failure. Hip hip hooray, we've got to the latter stages, get the bunting out."

[El Scorchio]

"He’s Englands luckiest manager by a country mile. If he stays, that’s a bigger blow than losing the final. He surely must realise he can’t take us any further. The media and players blowing smoke up his arse might egg him in though, but he just looks bereft of ideas and there were just too many fundamental errors in squad and team selection and tactically to brush under the carpet. We aren’t winning anything playing his style of football. It’s just like Moyes. Defensive holding on and relying in individual brilliance to get goals. Only worry is who they’d get to replace him. Look at the names. Howe, Carsley, Lampard, Potter. You’d probably take Howe or Potter, but how on earth are the other two in the conversation? As I said, just throw the bank at Klopp and see if he can get this lot over the winning line in 2026."

[goose]

"Lee Trundle 11:54 Mon Jul 15 Re: Euro 2024 Well, all that was entirely predictable. We got beat by the first decent team we came up against. And it will happened again and again under Southgate. Don't tell Nutsin, he'll have a proper hissy fit again."

[threesixty]

"Honestly, this “serial loser” thing ffs. It’s a major tournament! Why are football people talking like children in the playground? I cant think of many managers on earth, ever, who’s been in consecutive semi, then 2 finals at major tournaments. Maybe Deschamps? I still think he should stay. They boys like and respect him. He gets it done mostly and he doesn’t really lose to teams in tournaments you think he shouldn’t lose to. Spain beat Italy, France and Germany (who were at home!j. Come on! We didn’t get battered by them either. Mainly a problem with walker not covering his side of the field properly for both goals. The only critiscm I really have of Southgate is that he is making the squad play in a way that they don’t for their club teams. Man City, Arsenal, Madrid etc are all attacking, pass forward teams. I think he needs to look at that. Cautious defensive football rarely beats a creative side on top form. But I think he’s not stupid and is in the best position to turn that around. Hope he stays."

[threesixty]

"Honestly, this “serial loser” thing ffs. It’s a major tournament! Why are football people talking like children in the playground? I cant think of many managers on earth, ever, who’s been in consecutive semi, then 2 finals at major tournaments. Maybe Deschamps? I still think he should stay. They boys like and respect him. He gets it done mostly and he doesn’t really lose to teams in tournaments you think he shouldn’t lose to. Spain beat Italy, France and Germany (who were at home!j. Come on! We didn’t get battered by them either. Mainly a problem with walker not covering his side of the field properly for both goals. The only critiscm I really have of Southgate is that he is making the squad play in a way that they don’t for their club teams. Man City, Arsenal, Madrid etc are all attacking, pass forward teams. I think he needs to look at that. Cautious defensive football rarely beats a creative side on top form. But I think he’s not stupid and is in the best position to turn that around. Hope he stays."

[Lee Trundle]

It does make me laugh when people suggest he's England's most successful manager. He's got ZERO trophies in his cabinet to show all that success.

[Russ of the BML]

"The serial loser strikes again. It's just so predictable. But when you employ a nice bloke who becomes all the players favourite uncle, what else do you expect? I said it last week leading up to the final. As soon as we play a team that is better than us we lose. Because, quite simply, Southgate doesn't have the instinct nor the tactical nous to look at a better team and devise a way of winning. So much of what we did in this Euro's was set up and 'hope for the best'. It carried us to the final (god knows how) but you cannot play a team like Spain and hope for the best. And add to that all of the mistakes he made: Giving a poor Kane too much playing time Carrying an injured Shaw Foden on the left Leaving Bellingham on too long Subs made too late The wrong subs Leaving a poor Walker in the team Not giving Gordon any playing time I could go on.... Southgate got bloody lucky to get to that final and it has flattered him. Some quarters are labelling him England's most successful manager. How? I will grant you, he is our most consistent in regard to qualifying and tournament finishes. But how can he be labelled a success when he has won nothing and fallen at every difficult hurdle? But if he is our most consistent from a positive perspective, he is also consistent from a negative perspective, because he has consistently snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Croatia 2018. France 2020. Italy 2022 and now Spain 2024. He and his team have fallen when tested. The FA will be chuffed with nice bloke Southgate. And will say his legacy is enshrined. But, despite all the good work he has done within the FA, it is a legacy of loss. But, as I said, if you employ a loser, that's what you get."

[BRANDED]

No game management. Playing old players too much. Not using players on form in their right positions. Not making hard decisions and certainly not taking risks to win when it matters. He’s a runner up kinda person.

[Side of Ham]

"Thankfully I didn’t invest too much time & effort into this tournament, didn’t get drawn into the hype that they try to build up in the media. We all know the best football team won, and we were there by luck more than form and so decided to show the world we can be great at trying to stop good football being played….Spain showed off the best bits of their league football we (even though we have one of the best set of players to do so) showed nothing of what our league is about….in fact it was again in a final a cowardly approach…."

[Swiss.]

"You get nothing for being second in this world and England are serial losers. Southgate was always going to win fuck all. Why the fuck didn't he setup how he finshed in games. His stubborness has cost us, He deservers all the critism he gets. Good news if he's off to Man U. He will fail miserably in the PL."

[Manuel]

"LeroysBoots 11:37 Mon Jul 15 ''He's not a good coach, in fact he's tactically naive and inept'' Tin hat on but would disagree, if you listen to him in pressers, interviews etc he seems to understand tactics very well, as to say compared to Moyes who is clueless and like listening to a bloke in the pub talk football. Southgate's problem is being too negative, too fearful, too loyal to some players, among other things, but I do think he understands the game. For the record, it's time somebody else has a go."

[Lee Trundle]

"Well, all that was entirely predictable. We got beat by the first decent team we came up against. And it will happened again and again under Southgate. Lee Trundle 2:07 Thu Jun 20 Re: Euro 2024 Southgate will lose us this tournament, again."

[Takashi Miike]

"It takes some doing to shit the bed in consecutive finals, but I had to remind myself how he set up in 2021. Five defenders, two holding players and Mount being one of just three (THREE) advanced players. yet some want more of this turgid fucking clown"