Euro 2024 - Inc Southgate resignation

[Phall Throw]

"We seem to have an England v Bosnia thread but not an actual Euro 2024 thread so here it is So, do we realistically think England can win it? On paper we obviously have a very talented squad but I just don't see us going all the way. For me it's ""same old"" when it comes to England. Breeze the group, favourable draw in last 16 and win then up against far superior opposition in the QFs and out. At best I can see us at the SF stage before being beaten again. Winners for me: France, Portugal, Spain Dark horses: Germany - even though it's a home tournament they've been in a consolidation period, could go close Biggest flops: Scotland - no goals scored Top goalscorer: Mbappe I'm just hoping it's a decent tournament with plenty of decent games that's not ruined by VAR (are they using it?) consolidation period but could go close"

[Council Scum]

"Stones should be no where near the England squad, he was a massive part of why we failed."

[lowlife]

"Manuel - I remember McClaren doing exactly that with Beckham. Came in with his ridiculous “I’m in charge” demeanour and dropped Beckham from his first squad, and then went and recalled him. Of all the England managers, surely McClaren is the most out of depth we’ve ever had. I don’t think Kane will be dropped, but I do expect to see other players get an opportunity in that position."

[Manuel]

"I think the captain will be Kane still, they will look at it and think he's 31 got a few years let yet and wasn't fit in Germany, plus I can't see someone like Howe or Potter coming in and telling Kane he's being stripped of the captaincy straight of the bat."

[Lee Trundle]

"Stones doesn't seem much of a leader. He certainly wasn't under Southgate. Southgate had a leadership team which consisted of Kane, Walker, Rice and Bellingham. Bellingham, apparently, did nothing in this role."

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"It will be easier for a new manager to dump current international players. Kane is now at the Rooney stage, where he holds the scoring record but because of competition for places might not figure much in the future, the more so as the new coach builds a squad for WC 26. Stones has a good chance of taking over from Kane in the longer term."

[Lee Trundle]

"I wonder who the next captain will be? It surely can't be Kane again, who was possibly the most uninspiring captain we've ever had. Rice probably, I guess? Another other option might be Bellingham, but he wouldn't be my choice after finding out he's a billy no mates."

[Manuel]

"I agree the Italy game was the one that will probably keep Gareth awake at night when he starts reflecting. Still, on a positive, it's only two years before we win the WC under the new coach."

[only1billybonds]

I said before that we have a group of players who still have a few tournaments in them and with the right manager can do great things

[lowlife]

"Southgate has been peddling absolute shit in his press conferences too. “Tiredness was an issue”. What an absolute coward - would have had more respect for him if he just simply said “our tactics and performance wasn’t good enough”, although the main reason was him not wanting to drop his favourites and refusing to move from a set up that clearly wasn’t working. Missed opportunities for the last few tournaments - and this guy was on £5m a year. FIVE MILLION."

[Council Scum]

"Was lucky enough to be out there and at the game. The Germans wanted us to win, didn't matter if we were in a bar, restaurant or hotel, every single person said the same thing, that we had brilliant players and a manager who didn't know how to use them. The whole world of football could see what our issue is, so I don't buy the whole ""he did well"" the fact is, we got through in spite of Southgate, not because of him. He wasted the best squad we have had in a generation."

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"By any measure Southgate has done well during his tenure. He has progressively stewarded us through the qualification and tournament mini league stages ( several of the so called bigger countries have sometimes struggled with this ). The thing is that his methodology is not sufficient for the knock out stages where we have needed to be more on the front foot and prepared to take the game to the opposition. We are not the only country though that feels aggrieved about its national team performances. France, Portugal, Belgium and Germany all feel the same. After Ramsey England went through the fallow years where we often failed the qualification process. Bobby Robson got us through to the hand of God game in Mexico where we lost to the eventual WC 86 winners. Since then nothing really of note despite twice employing foreign coaches. Two subsequent low points were the short McClaren reign and The Hodgson/Iceland debacle. Under Southgate we have at least lasted through to the latter stages but his inability to win the initiative in a game and maintain it was saddening against Italy where we allowed inferior opposition back into a game we should have wrapped up in 90 minutes. It was the right time for him to resign and now we must choose a new broom, English of course, one who has the nous to not only pilot us into a tournament but to clinch a trophy when the opportunity presents."

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"By any measure Southgate has done well during his tenure. He has progressively stewarded us through the qualification and tournament mini league stages ( several of the so called bigger countries have sometimes struggled with this ). The thing is that his methodology is not sufficient for the knock out stages where we have needed to be more on the front foot and prepared to take the game to the opposition. We are not the only country though that feels aggrieved about its national team performances. France, Portugal, Belgium and Germany all feel the same. After Ramsey England went through the fallow years where we often failed the qualification process. Bobby Robson got us through to the hand of God game in Mexico where we lost to the eventual WC 86 winners. Since then nothing really of note despite twice employing foreign coaches. Two subsequent low points were the short McClaren reign and The Hodgson/Iceland debacle. Under Southgate we have at least lasted through to the latter stages but his inability to win the initiative in a game and maintain it was saddening against Italy where we allowed inferior opposition back into a game we should have wrapped up in 90 minutes. It was the right time for him to resign and now we must choose a new broom, English of course, one who has the nous to not only pilot us into a tournament but to clinch a trophy when the opportunity presents."

[Bungo]

"Surely it's about time to give Allardyce a second chance? Would be good to get back to the business as normal of not always qualifying for a tournament, and perhaps the occasional second round match if we're lucky?"

[Bungo]

"Surely it's about time to give Allardyce a second chance? Would be good to get back to the business as normal of not always qualifying for a tournament, and perhaps the occasional second round match if we're lucky?"

[only1billybonds]

"I'm with you russ,that night against Italy is the most glaring example of the man's cowardice. We could and should have been out of reach by half time in that game but like you say, he froze and desperately tried to hang on to the little he had. I wish him no ill but am delighted he has gone. ( be just our luck that moyes gets the job (-:)"

[Rossal]

"If the new manager can have three tournaments and will get the luck that Southgate had in terms of draws/pathways/groups etc we will win one of them He did well at 2018 and turned around the belief etc. But for me 2020, 2022 and 2024 go down as massive failures. He had the tools to win all three and fucked up the lot of them. This tournament was dreadful, bar a overhead kick in the 95th minute we would of been out at the RO16. He didnt know his best time, didnt have the bollocks to drop the underperforming big names and didnt utilise his squad. Combine that with the lack of tactics in terms of style of play (can't attack and Pickford hoofing it to noone) and the lack of press (Kane didnt lead anything from the front) its the right decision he has gone. Having him for the last two tournos was a massive mistake and a huge missed oppourtunity. I have said it for years but the England job is the easiest it has ever been right now. Just get someone thats good tactically and has the bollocks to make some big calls during games"

[Russ of the BML]

"Manuel 11:12 Wed Jul 17 Agreed. The one for me was Italy at Wembley. I mean, it was written. They weren't a great Italian side. Just very good defensively. We were 1-0 up and literally cruising. We had played them into a hole where they needed to come out and attack - Which wasn't their strong point. And it left holes for us to exploit. All it needed was someone to put their foot on their throat and it was over. Yet, somehow, we just wilted and sat back. Southgate made no changes. He froze. And allowed the momentum to swing too much and they scored. Once they had that goal to defend it was always going to penalties. I will never forgive Southgate for his inability that night and not doing his job. Scandalous how we never won that."

[Manuel]

"Yea, that will do it :-)"

[Fauxstralian]

"You have to take your chances when they arise England with their young talent will be in the mix in 2026 but they have gone through a period where some traditionally big teams were in a lull. Spain have obviously turned it around and maybe the likes of Germany will too. With a World Cup in the US, Mexico & Canada you'd expect the heat might favour the S Americans a bit as well Just watching SSN and reading out texts saying David Moyes should get the job"

[Lee Trundle]

"Manuel 11:05 Wed Jul 17 ""The rub for him though is if he is to do better than 'failure' Southgate, then he needs to win it."" All the next manager has to do is be more attacking and compete with the best teams in the tournaments for him to do better. It's not a huge task."

[Manuel]

"There's always something to ruin your day anyway :-) I'm gutted too, would have been incredible for the country and our game if we had won on Sunday, when we scored I thought we were going to go on and win it and was stunned when they scored again even if they were the better team, at that point I thought our name was on it after what had gone on in the previous games. To come close four times is pretty bizarre really, poor old Gareth has to carry that with him forever now, then there was Euro 96 as well."

[Manuel]

"Yep, I'm sure Howe would take it. He seems the proud Englishman type and with this squad and a WC coming up it's a very attractive job, also means he can move back home to B'mouth away from freezing Newcastle. The rub for him though is if he is to do better than 'failure' Southgate, then he needs to win it."

[Russ of the BML]

"Manuel 5:29 Wed Jul 17 Your post has ruined my day. Nothing personal. But when you said ""starting with the world cup. No excuses."" My first thought was 'it's not that easy to win a major tournament."" Then my next thought was how close we were in the last four under Gareth. Especially Italy and Spain. How we had teams in our grasp and let them slip away. Sat back against Croatia. The penalty against France. Running Italy ragged and then just stopping. I suddenly realised those opportunities are rare and may not come again. A big lump of disappointment hit my stomach and I am now mildly angry. Cheers for that."

[Russ of the BML]

"I also think Howe would take it. As other managers have said before - Managing England is not an opportunity that comes very often. Often good managers miss out just simply to do with timing. For Howe, the timing is perfect, although Newcastle may disagree."

[Manuel]

"Whoever takes it I'm looking forward to winning trophies in the near future, starting with the world cup in 26. No excuses."