Woke watch

[arsene york-hunt]

"There is a very good section on GB news where the ludicrous idiocies of Wokeness are looked at I thought we would should have one for WHO. I'll start with Baptiste on BBC: In Hungary,an ambassador's family are kidnapped by Islamic terrorists and carry out atrocities. At the end of the last episode Baptiste finds out that it is a false flag operation and conveniently, the real culprits are white supremacists who want to stop all immigration. Coronation Street ITV a gay black footballer is stopped by the police, because he is driving an expensive car. He is pushed to the ground during an altercation, and damages his leg threatening his career. Could have been written by Dawn Butler or a BLM activist."

[Darlo Debs]

Surf here you gomagain. I say something and you get all Prickly especially when you know inam.right. Your assertion.that most Brits wan an insurance based system.comes from.where exactly? Kate Andrews?.Conservative Home? It's bollocks by the way. 78% of Brits are happy with the free at the point of use system paid for by taxation .we have and if we compare it to the US as theirs is probably the one at most extreme opposite of that only about 9% of Brits would want their healthcare systemvfunded as Americans have it. YouGov study.

[Crassus]

"The current NHS is an overly expensive, outdated, bloated, politically charged, self serving edifice of near cult proportion - it has served it's purpose and fails on every metric whilst attracting the globe's flotsum and chancers to board inflatable mermaids Long overdue a deep overhaul and ruthless culling"

[Fifth Column]

"Branded All those concepts have changed so much though, left, right centre. The Road To Somewhere is a good book. Fundamentally argues left and right aren't meaningful anymore and it's more people who have an affiliation with place and tradition (""somewheres"") and those who feel they are citizens of the world (""anywheres""). It's why a lot of traditional ""left"" places (Red Wall) voted 'right' because the Tories have positioned themselves as the part of somewhere, if place, of country. I'm left wing in terms of economics. But what today is seen as right wing in terms of social policy eg I recognise that a communal sense of belonging is important, that the family unit should be supported (without demonising those who don't fit into it). What would have been standard Labour policy in previous decades But now the Tories probably represent most of my views on social issues more than Labour. I haven't changed my views in 25 years. So I don't think I've changed. I think political parties have changed. Right and left doesn't mean a lot. A lot of young people call themselves ""leftists"" and they don't actually know what left wing policies traditionally meant."

[Darlo Debs]

Branded that completely.misses the point I.made re centrist.but hey never mind Also.which much does get spent on diabetes medication not all ills are diabetes related and free at the point of use health service alcan also seek.to provide public health programmes and does so..They aren't mutually exclusive.

[BRANDED]

The biggest problem with a free at the point of delivery system is that it does not encourage healthy minded behaviours from many in society. I would much prefer a system that rewards the healthy minded. I constantly have conversations with fat cunts who want to have their cake and eat it and ask for the way in which that might be achieved. Stop eating the fucking cake as much is not the simple answer they like to hear.

[BRANDED]

"Centrism is the smug middle. They can be left or right centre but they mostly have similar ways of seeing the World. Probably happy with globalisation either in the form of giant corporations or socialist policies. They would be happy to be a middle manager in either. Have benefits of pension, wage and mild wokeist mindset. They completely believe in the idea of a progressive world of change no matter if its needed or desired."

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

"Darlo Debs 3:29 Wed Jul 26 'Branded funny you should mention the NHS..Farage openly called for an Insurance Based healthcare system back.in 2002' Good grief, she's at it again! Many, many people believe that the best way to deliver the best medical care to the greatest number of people would be to introduce some form of insurance-based healthcare system, whether within or without the NHS (so no inconsistency at all from Farage, there) You are free to agree or disagree. What you are not entitled to do is to suggest that someone who does favour that policy is a bad person. Or that you, in opposing it, are a particularly good person. The stench of self-righteousness is nauseating."

[Darlo Debs]

I find all this anti centrist stuff a bit odd. I don't I.particularly think I am.a centrist but I suppose it would depend on the opinion.of the person I'd be getting compared to. Anyway on.the one hand people want honesty.in.politics but then accuse the politicians of not listening to.the electorate if they do.show their true colours left or right. Basically in the system.we have the bulk.of voters that swing elections are either centre left or right so is it any wonder that is where politicians place themselves if they want any hope of winning an election?

[Nurse Ratched]

Don't take it ultra personally. All centrists are creepy.

[Fo the Communist]

"In fairness, Nursey, I am not sure many people would welcome that description. Certainly not the 'creepy' bit. Not sure about the 'previous iterations' either. All that said, all's fair in love and WHO."

[Willtell]

"Fo I think we will disagree about him because although I voted remain out of self-interest, I was happy with his arguments over the Brexit issue. And he's been exonerated over the banking issue. The real problem though was that no political parties would keep him involved in the management of Brexit to allow him to manage what he promised. That was because, let's face it, neither of the main parties wanted to leave, let alone administer it correctly. Covid hid a lot of the cracks early on but UK stumbles on and I ma sure it'll end up fine but could and should have been more obviously beneficial to Brits..."

[Nurse Ratched]

"I fondly recall, Fo, that under your various previous iterations, you did not take kindly to being described as a disingenuous creepy Blairite centrist. Even though you are üòâ"

[Darlo Debs]

Branded funny you should mention the NHS..Farage openly called for an Insurance Based healthcare system back.in 2002 (.I think.it was).then.tried to deny it in a later TV debate telling Richard Burgon.that no-one wanted the NHS privatised. The last thing .most Brits want is a US style insurance based healthcare system. As you just made very clear I think it'll be something that will continually haunt him.and mark him.out as a potential wolf in sheep's clothing hence 8 attempts at being elected and 8 times failed

[Darlo Debs]

Branded funny you should mention the NHS..Farage openly called for an Insurance Based healthcare system back.in 2002 (.I think.it was).then.tried to deny it in a later TV debate telling Richard Burgon.that no-one wanted the NHS privatised. The last thing .most Brits want is a US style insurance based healthcare system. As you just made very clear I think it'll be something that will continually haunt him.and mark him.out as a potential wolf in sheep's clothing hence 8 attempts at being elected and 8 times failed

[Fo the Communist]

"Afternoon Crass. If we are looking at recent lefty populists, I'd say Corbyn was a better example than Blair. And I make you mostly correct in your specific characterisation of the left and its MO. The left does indeed have an unpalatable nasty side and intolerance which was best illustrated by the reaction to 9/11. Books like The Fallout by Andrew Anthony document this well. Me, I'm just a lovely chap."

[Fo the Communist]

"Will. Not going to go through the whole Brexit argument, mate. Remain lost, Leave won and the rest is history. Neither, I suspect, am I ever going to convince his fans that he's not a force for good. I've said why I dislike the man. It's not a right or left thing either as populist figures can come from either end of the spectrum. He uses a fake persona to appeal to hopes and fears of others based on often dubious claims and crude simplicities."

[BRANDED]

"One of the funniest things about Farrage's efforts is that, to a certain extent, he wanted a less nanny state type of governance that was coming from EU rules based governance. Or, even a less centre left "" we know best "" type of governance. Leaving the EU would gain the UK the opportunity to move right on a whole lot of issues. Well, along came Corbyn and his popularity and the result of his moment in the sunlight was the realisation that people in the UK wanted a lot of leftist things like re nationalising Trains and Water and wanted better wages and more and more money in the NHS etc. So, just as European countries are moving to the right the UK is lurching heavily to the left in all kinds of areas including high taxation, wokeness and probably a Labour government."

[Crassus]

"Fo Hiya chap That post of yours sounds like a description of the 'peace loving' Blair does it not? The bit that amuses me greatly in all this is the lefty response* All anti NF and accommodating, as the great Arthur Dailey would describe, a 'diabolical liberty' because the victim is someone they don't like and then wrapping it in whataboutery Chief protagonist being the soppy Darlo tart, who shrouds everything in a 'being nice' blanket to self satisfy until it involves someone she objects to, then fair game * I obviously preclude yourself, albeit, you came close a couple of times ;)"

[Willtell]

"Fo You see I am interested in what you said about Farage which was - ""But he is undeniably built on the whole populist lie."" So are you suggesting that Farage set himself up as a saviour from the EU and that he made it into a populist lie? Only I thought most people didn't want to get involved in the EU right from the start and were taken into it by politicians that thought they knew better than the people? In fact lied to the people about its intent on becoming a federal Europe? Is that not correct?"

[Eerie Descent]

What do you disagree with that Farage has said?

[Cabbage Savage]

Picjkle has luvly gimp soot made from donkee leather

[J.Riddle]

Shakespeare Globe allowing some bloke to stand watching a children's play in full gimp outfit and mask because the outfit “did not contain offensive slogans”. Lol btw haven't seen hammer and pickle on here lately? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-gimp-suit-shakespeares-globe-children-b2380638.html

[J.Riddle]

Shakespeare Globe allowing some bloke to stand watching a children's play in full gimp outfit and mask because the outfit “did not contain offensive slogans”. Lol btw haven't seen hammer and pickle on here lately? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-gimp-suit-shakespeares-globe-children-b2380638.html

[Fo the Communist]

"Will. I'm sure there will be different interpretations but for me, essentially it's the notion that 'the people' (whatever that means) is being supressed by 'the elite' (whatever that means) and that (insert whoever but it's usually someone benefitting from the privilege they claim to want to overthrow) is somehow able to reverse this imaginary or, at best, nebulous scenario. I'm sure there will be no end of folk here who will tell you the real definition though."

[Willtell]

“ But he is undeniably built on the whole populist lie.” ————————————- What is the “populist lie” then Fo?