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crystal falace
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NFL (since 2016)
"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."
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southbankbornnbred
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"Plenty of twists and turns left in this season. The 49ers look strong, but a couple of injuries here and there changes everything. Wouldn't rule out the Ravens, Chiefs and Philly. There's always an unfancied team that steps up and a fancied team that falls to bits in the play-offs. The latter is usually Dallas (sorry, norf!)."
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cockney hammer
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southbankbornnbred
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"Taylor was so good he could probably have played corner if he'd wanted to - he was quick enough! He was obscene. I'm just saying it's hard to compare players from different eras who played slightly different positions (in the pros). Butkus played, trained and dominated brilliantly in a run-heavy era where you played almost every down on shite pitches and often in chaotic bundles. Taylor played brilliantly in an era where there was more balance between the run and big-throwing QBs. And he destroyed most of them. Two absolute legends. People can talk all day about who was better - and, of course, they'll have their favourites. I'd take either of them tomorrow! Especially after yet another Jets loss last night..!"
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El Scorchio
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Re: NFL (since 2016)
Taylor played inside at college. Belichick said he could have played at any defensive position with the possible exception of corner.
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southbankbornnbred
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"As some have already said, it's difficult to compare Butkus and Taylor directly. One played inside linebacker during a period when teams ran the ball a lot more, and largely down the middle of the pitch (because RBs capable of rushing outside were at a premium, linemen were less mobile and coaches liked the grind of running the ball down people's throat). So stepping up to the line to stop the run was absolutely critical. And Butkus was supreme at it. He often shut down opponents' run game on his own. And he tackled like a tank - he was brutal, down after down. LT, in contrast, was a lightening quick outside linebacker who's job was primarily to pass rush - or threaten to - and he was unbelievably good at it. Never seen anybody like him with that combination of size and speed, and we watched the Sack Exchange! LT was a freak. Both NFL legends, both off-the-charts good. Could even have played in the same team. Imagine that?! Hard to draw comparisons, but it's a little bit like trying to compare a centre half with a full-back. One position required brute force and the ability to sit (and dominate a zone) and read the game: the other required speed, size and ""attacking""ù explosiveness. We could do with either of them right now!"
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El Scorchio
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"I'll say I was being flippant with ""òshits on' of course, but the consensus from those who know is that LT is the greatest defender who ever played the game. It's no shame for Butkus or Reggie white or anyone else to be amongst the closest runners up."
Re: NFL (since 2016)
"I'm not going to carry on and bandy words with someone whos says LT ""Shits on Butkus"" because quite clearly he doesn't even the pros, you know the people who have played the game, are divided over who was the better LB. Yes LT was a great LB maybe one of the best if not the best but he certainly doesn't shit on Dick Butkus by any stretch."
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El Scorchio
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Did Butkus force coaches to change the way offense was played in the NFL? No. Did Taylor? Yes. It's that simple.
Re: NFL (since 2016)
"Butkus ate running backs for breakfast and there were some pretty tough bastard RBs in those days (Larry Csonka springs to mind). As you said LT was different in that he was a sack machine and his record really is staggering: MVP (he must be the last defence player to win that), 2 Superbowls, 10 Pro-bowls and that is for starters. Butkus was a beast who played for a not very good team."
Re: NFL (since 2016)
In what way does LT shit all over Butkus and remember Taylor was an outside LB whereas Butkus was a middle LB?
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El Scorchio
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El Scorchio
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Re: NFL (since 2016)
"Hmmm, no one else want to give their opinion on Dick Butkus probably the greatest Linebacker of all time who passed away last October?"
Re: NFL (since 2016)
"Not bothered by last nights result, rather get a performance out of the way where half the team play shit now rather than when it matters, as win the final 2 games and conference is still won."