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Moyes Out ( Released )
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Moyes Out ( Released )
"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"
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"defensive woes are the least of our problems. we struggle to score goals from open play, and that won't change any time soon if the cսnt continues to have seven/eight men behind the ball almost the whole game"
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I am sure Mr Allardyce would get our defensive woes back on track quickly but I don't suppose any suggestion of getting the fat gum chewing git back would meet much approval on here.( or am I wrong?)
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"a small segment of the article....... ""The board has 100 per cent certainty there is no one else more capable than him of turning things around at the club and he will be given plenty of time to prove them right."" üòÇ"
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"He has to go We have been poor this calendar year, he has had a full pre season and many big signings to fix it and there are no glimpses I am afraid. We have to react and get rid, his decision making in team selection and in game for a long period now have been shit. His man management seems terrible with certain players who look like they are better options at the moment than the ones he always picks. Picking Fornals LW constantly is enough for me to want him gone. Moyes has done an incredible job for us, keeping us up and the 2 seasons that followed.....nothing short of superb. But all good things come to an end, and I said last week that felt like he peaked in the Lingard season and think the Everton result cemented that. After picking that team if he lost his head was on the block..... big teams react and make changes...... GSB wont, and we'll be close to writing off this season already in a few games."
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- Takashi Miike
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"apparently the club propagandists C&H have put out an article saying his position is 100%, and they are fully behind him. insanity, if true"
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Disappointing he hasn't already gone. If he doesn't go today I know exactly what will happen. Rodgers will be sacked before the end of the day and they will get Thomas Frank in. Meaning we have missed out on both Frank and Potter and will end up with some other old cսnt like hodgson
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"If he can't get at least 4 points from the next two home games, it's time for Moyes to go. We have to get out of the bottom three as soon as possible."
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"Factory, funny you mentioned this as my thoughts were exactly. This was Benny's chance to give him the finger"
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"90th minute, 1-0 down and we have a corner. great chance to get an underserved point out of the game and save the manger's blushes, which benny proceeds to kick straight into the side netting. you just know he did it on purpose, even if it was just his subconscious overwhelming his motor functions."
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"We've come full circle. We've now got Sam Allardyce Mark II - somebody who is doing exactly as he did only this time he has better players at his disposal. In fact the similarity here is unbelievable. All the same traits -dour, negative football, incredible stubbornness and the tendency to play favourites at every turn - and then blame the players when it all goes tits up. Unbelievable."
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"Can you imagine working for a boss who never blames himself and often picks on specific players. I worked for someone like that a few years ago - absolute cսnt of a manager and it did result in a large number of the team doing the absolute bare minimum. Needs to go, can't see how he can hope to get the team motivated over the international break as most (I'm assuming) won't be there."
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"He's the absolute worst in the world at deflecting and blaming others, but calling out certain individuals more than others, even when we win, and not to labour the point but Benrahma is the one he loves to do it to. I remember beating Leeds at Elland Road and Benrahma has his best game in his first season for us which was roundly praised but Moyes gives it ""he did some things well and a lot of things not so well""ù or some bollocks. I'm sick of the bloke now, he got away with it because we were grinding out results, but he's now continuing to be a prick while not getting results, and its rubbing everyone up the wrong way. Don't see him being here by the World Cup so just pull the trigger now."
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The players out there looked so out of sorts I can imagine these is major troubles behind the scenes. If the board are not making serious enquiries as to what is happening within the camp they are asleep at the wheel. If he has lost the players it over as he isn't getting them back
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"Yeh, time is up. He's at the stage that its now just inevitable so there is absolutely zero point in delaying it. There is a reason most clubs change manager roughly every three years, things need refreshing. Happens in most other sports too. The one thing he did well was get us outrunning teams, even that has stopped. The way he singles out players like Benrahma, and pulls that ""what the fuck are you doing""ù face on the sideline the first time he gives the ball away while passionately defending others more guilty, even though he came on and looked the most likely for us, is the mark of an absolute prick for me. Players can't enjoy playing for that sort of boss. Openly telling the media Scamacca isn't doing enough despite 3 goals in 4 starts, while giving him 10 minutes here and there in the league is a piss take too. How can he get into any rhythm? He can't handle a proper squad, and has run his first eleven into the ground while also making us so predictable every week that even Lampard sussed it out. He also said that he realised in February we needed extra players but decided not to bring any in in January. That is absolutely pathetic and unforgivable. Probably cost us the Europa League. The funds were clearly there too. Time to go for that alone."
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"I agree with almost every word of that, Willtell. Right down to trying Antonio as a wide-left attacking player (he played there regularly for Forest), as a further goalscoring threat alongside Scamacca down the middle. I think the two of them, with Bowen right and Paqueta in the #10 slot behind them in midfield, would be a genuine handful for anybody. And you're right: if you don't play Antonio wide then at least play Benrahma or Cornet there. Fornals is wasted in that role, and is surely picked because he will do the hard yards and chase back. But we need more attacking intent in those three front positions. Playing Fornals wide left reminds me of what Gareth Southgate did with Mason Mount in the Euros - it was basically a more defensive choice in an attacking position. Fornals ahead of Antonio/Cornet/Benny is akin to Mount in that position ahead of Grealish. It's a square peg in a round hole."
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"Thing is southbank, when you have left wingers like Benrahma and Cornet why do you play a central midfield, dog slow, Fornals in that position? Even move Antonio there if you don't fancy Benrahma or Cornet starting but Fornals? Weakens the attack but strengthens defence because that is all Fornals does there. He chases everything which puts him in front in Moyes' mind. If Antonio moved LW Scamacca could have started up front. To my mind Scamacca, Antonio and Bowen would easily give Paqueta players to pass to and terrify oppositions. Moyes settles for defensive endeavour from Fornals who is most games quite frankly awful. Same as Soucek. He's simply not good enough and nothing like the player of 2 years ago. In Moyes mind he seems to be his Fellaini from Everton and Man Utd days but he's turned into a liability. Managers need to be stubborn at times but I wonder whether Stewart Pearce and Alan Irving would have discussed team selections with Moyes before they decided?"
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"Finally, if Moyes wants to save his job - he is hurtling towards the sack with four wins since February - then he probably needs some fresh, and more radical, blood on his coaching staff. He needs to go against all of his conservative and defensive instincts and appoint a far more forward-thinking/attacking coach to his team. At the moment, the coaching staff are all mini clones of Moyes and are very set in his ways. That's fine when the going is good, because tactically they are on the same page. But the approach they all espouse has been worked out. They need to be jolted out of their comfort zone. Fresh blood, fresh ideas and some new thinking. If Moyes doesn't adapt, then he'll be gone within weeks."
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"In reality, I just think Moyes has run out of ideas. Or, more accurately, the rest of English football has worked out his Plan A tactics after almost two successful seasons and he has never had a Plan B. The game doesn't stand still because everything tactics-wise is analysed to fuck these days. But Moyes has stood still. He needs a Plan B and quick."