Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Vexed]

"He aint gonna turn this around, he'll just revert to previous players and a defensive formation. He doesn't know anything else. Sadly the owners need to act swiftly before this season is a complete fucking waste. Those backing Moyes, if there are any - are you doing this because you think he's going to turn it around or solely because of loyalty for a couple of good seasons?"

[Barty]

Browno22 7:30 Tue Sep 20 Re: Moyes Out Just checked skybet and he's now been cut to 3/1 from 14s this morning. We can only pray they know something HERE´S HOPING

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

"5 wins from 19 PL games was enough to end Pellegrini, which is exactly where Moyes is now. I appreciate Moyes has achieved greater success so will be afforded more time but considering the vast amount of money he has spent, I'd be furious about his failings. It may show loyalty sticking by him but it shows a serious lack of ambition too."

[ironsofcanada]

"COOL HAND LUKE 6:26 Tue Sep 20 Fair enough. I would think and hope that the prospect of a job would trump just watching the World Cup, which would be the same now or in the next 4 weeks. But who knows what goes through the minds of managers...and their agents. I agree that Moyes needs to be realistic - our form and play mean that he needs to improve soon or be gone. The CandH thing is hopefully clumsy PR."

[Browno22]

Just checked skybet and he's now been cut to 3/1 from 14s this morning. We can only pray they know something

[Sir Alf]

"Apparently Downes is not doing enough in training to convince Moyes? What that means is not clear? Running? It cannot be passing and ball control if compared to Soucek. I'm in my 60s and can pass a ball more accurately than our potato salad man. I can only guess it's physicality? But playing is the Championship is a pretty good sign of being able to handle the physical side as it's a bit more physical with 2 games every week and less play acting. Why is he being held back. Didn't get a chance until the Conference games, had an outstanding game but no minutes again next 2 games? I understand you might want to take a bit of time getting them into tge style of play. Perhaps Flynn and others don't get the ""whenever possible, lump it up to Mikey or Jarrod otherwise play it back or sideways "" tactics?"

[BillyJenningsBoots]

I think he's on thin ice - if he continues to play the same players who are seemingly out of form and continues to play the same way we we will lose the next 2 games and he will be gone.... We know he is stubborn - so I expect him to go. God knows what they are doing in training and what they are seeing to continue as we are - I know its the West Ham way but its starting to grate now.

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"IOC My thinking is that ALL managers will be involved with the WC, even if only watching. If it were me, too near the time, I'd be saying ""talk to me once this is over"". I hear what you say about the timelines, but it is still far enough away right now, I feel, that anyone genuinely interested in taking over would at least be willing to have some preliminary talks about it, or even grab the bait if between jobs. If the board HAVE told Moyes he's ""100% safe"", that's a mistake imo... it needed a more ambiguous comment to make him sweat a bit."

[Sir Alf]

"Thx Tex :-) You and others have been questioning Moyes for longer than me. I was so thrilled by 2 seasons of not worrying about relegation and being up the top end of the table that I thought he deserved some slack especially at tge end of last season but pre season showed worrying signs of a malaise setting in and nothing seems to be changing. A player like Phillips who naturally went to a City is what I would love to see. I suppose that was what the Onana interest was? We literally have a soft centre. The best teams have the opposite and control games. We will need another quality forward next season and I hope Aguerd and Johnson etc. will arrest the defensive errors but, and I labour the point to obsession, that midfield Moyes picks and the approach of soaking up for 60 mins is resulting in abject failure. Next 2 games will be telling. He is under pressure now and needs to act and cannot leave 150 million worth of talent on the bench any longer. Play your best team in tge league asap and let tge express themselves. Otherwise he will join the long list of managerial casualties"

[Texas Iron]

"Sir Alf gives a long answer""¶ Here's my summary""¶ Moyes & Co""¶just not good enough for now and the future""¶"

[Knicker Wetter]

", 4:33 Tue Sep 20 I'd imagine in an armchair in his bedsit accompanied by his blow up doll, deflated, on his stained mattress"

[Manuel]

100 not out.

[Far Cough]

"master 12:38 Tue Sep 20 Re: Moyes Out Maybe he should bring in Big Dunc as another coach. That's just what we need a bit of Dunc and Disorderly Some idiots broke into his house and he caught them, let's say they fell down the stars and ""injured themselves"" on the way out"

[nychammer]

"Bad starts are bad starts, but this goes way back and our bad end to last season which was masked over by our 7th place finish which is creditable for most sides. We won't sack him now. We never do. They will probably give him the next 2 games and we must win them convincingly. Lose to wolves and he has to go. We can't make the same mistake we did with Bilic or Pellegrini and let them linger too long."

[Barty]

Odds cut to 8/1 to be the next PL manager sacked

[Sir Alf]

"Moyes and his coaching team have fallen asleep on the wheel. The decline as many say almost traces back to last Xmas. Teams started to sit back and set up for our counter attacking via the bulldozer that is Antonio. The running stats are a real worry because they are linked. We ( Moyes) has tried to get us playing more of a passing game but with the players we had and perhaps the inadequacies of the coaching and tactics we have been inept at it. We relied on Lingard to give us a gee up one half season and of course set pieces got us results at times. Again teams have learnt how to disrupt or negate that. So , and this relates to threads about midfield, we are unable to and perhaps not coached to bring the ball out from the back and through midfield to link to the forwards. We do not move the ball quick enough and the existing players lack the pace, mobility and fitness along with passing and control to do that. You need all the team moving and trying to create space and when they get it need to pass instantly and accurately before moving again. Soucek and Coufal will never be able to do that. Fornals has the technique but should never play wide. Benrahma would be better suited to fast moving football and less time to dwell on it but more passing options. Paqueta too. We don't know if Downes can play in a team that is set up to move and pass at high speed to break the high pressing in the Premiership but from the little I saw in one game I would wager he would be better than the current version of Tomas Soucek? The need to move is associated with upping our running but also with our pressing. Most teams play round and thru our midfield which is why we seem to sit so deep and get hemmed in when we do get it. At tge back we need to play 2 proper CBs asap. Kehrer does a decent job and his pace is useful but he is not a CB by trade. Dawson or Oggy have to line up with Zouma until Aguerd returns and if the latter matches up to what has been said by pundits ( that he plays like Van Dyke ( not dick ) ) then his presence will help a lot. Also means we can get Coufal replaced by Kehrer and / or Johnson. Cresswell also needs to be replaced as a first choice although to be fair he been ok in most games. That said he's looked ok compared to many other underperforming players. Got to get that middle sorted. It's where the game is mostly played and won. A strong 4 or 5 that is far more mobile and better in possession. I hope Downes is part of that but if not we need to spend big on another quality CM alongside Rice. Up front? Well Antonio ain't scoring but still causes defences problems at times eve. In the Premiership. Him and Bowen need to providing support to Scamacca who has looked isolated in most games. Moyes needs to make personnel changes asap along with tactical amendments that make the best of who we bought. Otherwise he will lose his job. Simple as that. Lose the next 2 and I think he may go sooner than some think because we have a tough run again after that. He wants to undertake a transformation in the way we play he has said. It takes time sometimes which he does not have enough of if he will persist with old guard underperforming players. If he was picking many of the alternatives and we were doing worse or no better you could at least see he was starting the transition. I have always thought review when we get to the WC in November but never thought we would be bottom 3. If we are still there or just above and the end of October he should expect to be binned"

[ironsofcanada]

"COOL HAND LUKE 4:26 Tue Sep 20 I'm not sure I get the logic on your timeline. But am certainly open to other scenarios. If managers are involved with national programs, they are busy right now and will be until after the World Cup. If there are looking for a national position to come available after, it would be the same now and say 3 weeks from now. If they are working puditry for the World Cup, I would think they are committed by now as well as to 3/4 weeks from now. Are there others?"

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"Vexed, don't know where you sit but the people around me are still giving Moyes a chance for now."

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"The dilemma we have is that if we don't tip Moyes out of the nest in the next couple of weeks, we will getting very close to the start of the World Cup. Once that is on the horizon, I don't really see anybody wanting to sit down and discuss it with us until after the WC is over. That would mean we are stuck with Moyes into the New Year which (if things don't change, and I am not expecting them to) will likely be dangerously late to try and come out of a serious tailspin."

[Vexed]

"""I think that Moyes still has the majority of fans with him"" I doubt it very much. Its almost unanimous that he's got to go now isn't it?"

[Manuel]

"Takashi Miike 1:57 Tue Sep 20 ''manuel, not sure what you're on about or the thirty one years bit?'' Well, the game you refer to was in 1991 and now we are in 2022, so you do the math? As for sticking up for others, grow up, ffs."

[chedylan 2]

"They didn't get rid of pelegrini in a timely fashion at all He should have been fired at least 4/5 weeks before he was. We were a total mess , no improvement , everyone was calling for it."

[Knicker Wetter]

"Morning chaps I see there's a lot of incontinence stinking this thread up today, about time some of you got a backbone and got behind the manager"

[Willtell]

I believe you are right Comma. It's only on WHO that we work ourselves into a frenzy where the majority want him gone. I looked at KUMB for the first time since window closed and most are moaning but saying he shouldn't be sacked. Fucking pussies! The more casual fan will not be happy but assume after 2 years of top 7 we are about to start winning anytime soon. I dare say for all GSBK bluster about 100% behind the manager they forgot to mention the knife they are holding while behind Moyes. I really don't think he shows any signs of knowing how to sort the problems which are of his creation

[Takashi Miike]

"manuel, not sure what you're on about or the thirty one years bit? the best display of singing/support at a game I attended was the semi final, yet cuntchops thinks it's cringe. you carry on sticking up for the braindead minge üëç"