Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"It may be 5M pa but I'd be surprised if there isn't a rider in there about severance v performance i. e.. if we are doing shit, his severance may reduce accordingly? I'm wishing on a star with that one, maybe, but regardless of that, even £10M is peanuts compared to the financial damage of relegation, surely. I feel very strongly right now that he is lost at sea, and we need to act The way it's panning out, we could be a quarter of the way through the season with barely 6 points to our name. You then have to ask yourself which half decent manager will want to pick up a shit-stick of that magnitude..."

[Willtell]

Ah! £5m a year salary I hear. That's compensation of about £12.5m negotiated down to £10m?. No wonder GSB reacted as they did...

[Lee Trundle]

He signed a 3 year contract last summer.

[Willtell]

You may have a point there Marty. Anyone know how long Moyes has on his contract? When Moyes re-joined I'm sure it was for 2 years. That must have been extended. Managers are not like you and I where we lost our jobs for failure. They get £millions compensation and then another job paying £millions again somewhere else...

[marty feldman]

The fans defending Moyes the most are those with the least ambition. Which is surprising as Moyes dosent talk the club down like most of them do . But as bill says It wouldn't surprise me if he wants the Spanish archer . It's over and he knows it .

[Thames Ironworks]

bigging up*

[Thames Ironworks]

"What's the deal with Declan Rice? I'm seeing a lot of media chat about him begging up players outside the squad. Bellingham, Toney, etc. I do wonder if he is Captain material. It's all well being mr nice guy to other teams and international colleagues, but he has a job to do at West Ham and I don't see the leadership that this team needs. Even Scamacca says it's quiet in the dressing room. Rice should be firing up the squad, which to be fair I think we are missing now Noble has gone. Yes there are issues with Moyes, but I do think the players on the field are not pulling their weight. A leader on the pitch should be galvanising the squad to win games."

[ironsofcanada]

Side of Ham 4:50 Wed Sep 21 He has a couple weeks for the penny to drop. He might think he is beyond that but that the business and what has been paid for. And it would be criminal to backslide so much from the very good work he did oversee.

[Side of Ham]

Just play to fucking win (this entails keeping the ball and passing to a team mate) with attention to the oppositions strengths......

[Takashi Miike]

"until they get the defenders playing a higher line, and not stuck permanently in or around our penalty area, it doesn't matter who or what is in the midfield. just simple changes like that will have the team more cohesive and further up the field"

[Sir Alf]

"Someone who is a data stats man over there ( that much I know is genuine ) said that Nolan is effectively running the team in terms of interaction with players, outlining what they want them to do. Nolan was Head Pupil at the Allardyce school of ""direct football"". Might be why we have a disjointed look and players from the back still hitting those 40 yard balls over the top or down the channels to the Michel ""Wrecking Ball"" Antonio even when he's not on the pitch. Allardyce's teams were masters of set pieces and the ball ""into the mixer"" and direct diagonals. Moyes says he wants to evolve our play and supposedly we bought players who are better in possession, with passing etc. But our game plan is unchanged and the new players don't fit it, won't understand why we would do that or Moyes and co ( which very much includes chief tactician Paul Nevin ) are simply struggling to execute a different way? Who knows but I see little passages of play that look like we are trying to move the ball quicker etc. but have yet to see the new players on the pitch to carry out what is hopefully a more natural and enjoyable style for them? Moyes seems conflicted about letting go of his defence first, sit deep, absorb and win the game in certain periods of the game strategy that has served him so well in the past. I cannot recall even his best Everton sides being possession based and stretching teams with speed, movement etc? But to repeat ad infinitum , it is my humble opinion and agreed with by some, that midfield is the area in most need of attention and where most of our play breaks down, falters etc. The players collectively in the midfields being picked ( midfield here includes wide men too ) simply look clunky, slow and unable to pass accurately, with poor movement and hence reduced number of passing options. Even when we were getting decent results we tended to always struggle with keeping it and getting the ball back and possession retention generally. Its why we played the counter attacking game. Soucek, Fornals ( out wide ), Lanzini, Bowen and even the improved Benrahma give the ball away too easily and too often. Even Paqueta is doing it but he is just in the team so will wait to see if its simply the speed of the Premiership or not having the aforementioned movement and passing options that is leading to him trying to hold onto it too long etc. We have to hope that simply bringing Downes in, playing Cornet a natural wide player on the left makes a real difference. It also looks like we need Kehrer's better pace and technique to replace Coufal on the right. Emerson for Cresswell? Not sure unless the role changes and Kehrer and Emerson become attacking wing backs. But I suspect Moyes will not be radical and stick with his idea of a slow evolution which could well lead to us continuing to struggle, remaining in the relegation zone and him being ""tin tacked""."

[daveyg]

"The trouble is the media will say why are we unhappy ? But they never analyse us properly. Just say we have played some great football under Moyes. After the Chelsea result we only won 9 games,5 draws and 12 defeats. That is not top 6 or let alone top 4. Our points total off 56 points was mediocre. Would of achieved 11th position the year before. Our cup runs were poor really and the season was only good due to the EL. As others have said before the likes of Lyon and Sevilla didn't work us.Moyes was found out at by with Cresswell's lack of pace and savvy. . Moyes should have said just leave it out Aaron. His stupid point of view of no signings last Jan,no youth etc is his downfall. Go now"

[COOL HAND LUKE]

"Willtell 10:05 Wed Sep 21 **However, the big personalities of Pearce, Irving and Noble leaving changed the manager's overseer role into one of direct control imo. That's why I believe the players stopped listening and we now see why it went wrong for him at Man Utd, Real Sociedad and Sunderland** THIS, I believe, is IT - right at the core of why it has gone bandy. Moyes is dour, gutteral and uncompromising - he needs those other more 'user friendly' people in there between him and the players to bring balance, morale and confidence. I seem to recall Chica saying that when Moyes arrived at Man Utd he was 'immediately' confrontational and aggressive with the players and didn't want to hear about anything that had gone before. Dead on the first day... Any board worth its salt would be looking at potential replacements for 'everybody, all the time'. We really have to hope that's the case now..."

[one iron]

"I think david moyes wanted onana,after we did get him only sullivans buys.david moyes give up, i beleive hes had it with the board and wants the sack, who could work with the joke firm gsb."

[bell]

"One thing I've noticed recently. Whenever you see teams on the tele, the camera often pans to the crowd to show the manager of the next opponents, watching how the team set up, play etc etc. I've never seen anyone watching us. Almost like they already know."

[Takashi Miike]

"It's pretty clear from body language, attitude and the constant face like a smacked arse that he was happy going again with a threadbare squad and most of these new arrivals were handed to him, either from sullivan or newman. it suited him being the plucky underdog, lower expectations and technically inferior players. now he hasn't got a clue what to do with a player like paqueta, and prefers a converted winger to someone like scamacca who's already shown in europe his potential. I've always been happy to slag off those three in the boadroom, but there are no excuses this time"

[Willtell]

"I/m a great believer in giving managers a chance to turn things around but, once the dressing room loses faith in the manager it's over. Yes Moyes got our two top 7 finishes which was fantastic and deserving of respect, However, the big personalities of Pearce, Irving and Noble leaving changed the manager's overseer role into one of direct control imo. That's why I believe the players stopped listening and we now see why it went wrong for him at Man Utd, Real Sociedad and Sunderland. He's not a winner as he declared a couple of years ago. He hasn't won anything of note in his career - merely survived as did the likes of Sam Allardyce. They can anly create survival teams and WHU has at long last moved on. I hope the owners can keep up too."

[marty feldman]

It was obvious even during the opening game v man city. That the players have given up the ghost under him . If players don't run what chance have you got . It's no different to what was happening at the red mancs under rangwick and solksjaer . There's more chance of Alan Carr being caught having an orgy with little mix than Moyes turning it around .

[Texas Iron]

"Based on interviews and comments""¶ ""¶Moyes is killing team spirit""¶ Grouchy old dinosaur Scot""¶"

[Barty]

"Just sack him now and get over with it, he aint turning this around"

[Mickey Rat]

"I don't like the modern trend in sacking managers after half a dozen poor results but we've not been playing well for an awful long time. Maybe Alan Irvine, Stuart Pierce and Nobes were doing more to create the great team spirit we had for most of the last two seasons and not the Moyesiah, if we don't get at least 4 points from the Wolves and Fulham games I'm afraid the board need to start sounding out replacements"

[Alfs]

Sky's odds for Moyes getting sacked next have plunged to 3/1.

[Stowie.40]

"I've seen a few suggest he has credit in the bank so should be allowed time, bollocks to that. Anyone would think he'd done it all for free & won us the double. The rot has set in, it does show a lack of ambition if we persist with this dour jock."

[Come On You Irons]

"The lack of a ruthless streak from boards and supporters over the years is why mediocrity and underachievement are associated with our club. A club that regularly sells out a 60,000 plus seater stadium and has a loser of a manager who has won fuck all in 25 years of management. The fact this chump is managing us still says it all. A club that has won fuck all in 42 years and counting. Ridiculous. Any genuinely ambitious board would have binned the ghost face loser by now."

[Side of Ham]

I think he'll be afforded more time purely because it took a longtime to get the signings in....this doesn't mean I agree with that being the case.....just another example of how we are run so badly.......