Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Come On You Irons]

", 11:37 Thu Oct 20 The usual backhanded, snidey insult from this cսnt. Many of us on here, including me, are long term season ticket holders and we have a right to call out the manager for sub-par performance when we see it. 11 points from 11 games is relegation form. The owners should be extremely concerned about relegation given this has gone on since the second half of last season, and they should pull the trigger if we go into the winter break with anything less than 20 points from the first 15 games."

[Razzle]

"When I saw the lineup last night it looked like it was just keep it tight. We all know Liverpool play a high line. Have a suspect right back so what do we do? Not play with any pace on our left where Fornals was. I have been a bit of a detractor for Benrahma but this was his game and We needed Antonio.out there. The changes should have been made on the hour mark but in essence it should have been in the starting lineup. Downes was played out of position. I would have liked to have seen Rice and Downes hold and get Soucek forward from deep, that is where he is effective. Smackhead had a poor one last night"

[Russ of the BML]

"On The Ball 10:04 Thu Oct 20 Oh turn it in for fuck sake. Doesn't matter who we are, who we are owned by, where we've come from..... You have a manager that selects a 4-3-3 and picks the players he did last night against Liverpool its got fuck all to do with anything other than him being a negative, incompetent twat. That starting team last night was fucking abysmal. Soucek left midfield? Fornals left wing? Downes right midfield? Please. You are painting over huge cracks with your nostalgic and disingenious paint."

[On The Ball]

"Lee Trundle 10:12 Thu Oct 20 I'm not saying you can't (although much of it is standard WHO knicker-wetting), I'm saying people are wasting their breath. They're happy with staying up and that's that - doesn't matter what we want. Just trying to be pragmatic. Takashi Miike 10:30 Thu Oct 20 My point is the above. How am I defending the owners? If you read it, it's critical of the owners. Nothing will change until they're gone. They just want to finish above 17th and for the money to keep rolling in."

[,]

"Most of the excessive criticism of Moyes on here comes from those recumbent in their chaise longues watching dodgy streams rather than, heaven forfend, actually being at a game. Where I sit there is plenty of criticism of the Manager and players, surprisingly some of it even constructive, but overall the majority consensus is to stick with Moyes. From my point of view keeping hold of him in the short term depends on whether or not the owners think there is a real risk of relegation. In the longer term Moyes' fate depends upon where we finish in the table. Mid table at the season's end might see him being dispensed with. Win a trophy and/or re qualify for Europe will see him stay imho."

[Come On You Irons]

"Moyes isn't going anywhere until after the World Cup, but the four league games before the winter World Cup break are crucial. 24 Oct: Bournemouth (home) 30 Oct: Manchester United (away) 6 Nov: Crystal Palace (home) 12 Nov: Leicester (home) Our shit start to the season has heaped big pressure on the three winnable home games. We should be winning all of those three home games. Nine points minimum from those games required. That would put us on 20 points from 15 games and constitute an average first leg of the league season. Anything less than that and he should be fired. The atrocious away form also heaps huge pressure on the home games. Moyes' safety first, cautious bollocks negative away tactics which rarely delivers really is making a rod for his own back."

[Takashi Miike]

"""Of course it's frustrating, of course I want us to win the League"" stop gaslighting. It's got fuck all to do with 'winning the league', most would go just be happy to see him trying win a league game rather than not lose"

[Takashi Miike]

"On The Board, with his usual bollocks. If this continues, he'll alienate our latest record signing and our best striker since Ashton. I'm sure they're not 'very happy' about potentially losing another load of money because this dinosaur doesn't know how to use them"

[Sajmo1]

The same owners that gave him about 250m to spend in 3 years? Poor Moyes

[Lee Trundle]

So we're not allowed to criticise (or whine as you call it) him because of the owners?! Not sure I follow that.

[On The Ball]

"Not going to read the below because I know full well the whining it contains. Those of you doing that whining need to engage your brains - think about who we are and who were owned by. He's not going anywhere because he's making the owners VERY happy - you're forgetting who it is that needs to have the ambition here. And that's that. That aside, we used to have a proud tradition of not having a relvolving door of managers like other Clubs. It was one of the things that actually DID make us unique,and personally I want that to continue where possible. Moyes has been incredible for us overall, and a run of poor/indifferent form and his previously known limitations don't change that for me. Of course it's frustrating, of course I want us to win the League - but in the real world...."

[Rossal]

"Feels like we'll be shit for few games, bottom half of table......pressure will start to mount then he'll pluck a win against a bottom half side and buy few more games. Repeat that till probs feb/march when season will be long gone. For me constantly picking the wrong team - mainly Fornals LW and Soucek playing every minute is sackable offence. His treatment of Benrahma also stinks the place out Same as what I said after Soton, the main thing holding this team back at the moment is the manager"

[Sajmo1]

4 points in the last 19 away games against the big6. 0 wins in 18 at Anfield for Moyes.

[13 Brentford Rd]

"We've scored a total of 2 goals in the first half of Prem games this season. That's the lowest in the league and probably all 4 divisions. That tells the story of Moyes's ambition even against the weaker sides. On top of that our final ball & finishing have been terrible all year, and we lack composure on the ball, can't pass and are making mistakes in defence and concede too easily. He can't & won't adapt so it's clear he's taken us as far as he can."

[fraser]

"That was fucking awful first half.. What made it worse was starting off the second half with the same line up and then putting them under pressure once he'd put some attacking options on but so late in the game.. Sick of seeing us not attempt to win a game from the off. 22 points in our last 22 with the money he's had, he's very lucky to be in a job. How long do we carry on like this?"

[chim chim cha boo]

"I've not really done away games since Alardyce thrashed it out of me but Moyes is slowly trying to not just coach the first team but change the entire ethos of the club. We may not be able to beat some of the most expensively assembled teams in the world but that ninety odd minutes shouldn't really be a reason to fuck him off, regardless of it being a results judged job. Sitting in the stands without commentary I'd say we've played in patches some lovely football this season but we've had absolutely shit luck. When you look at it, it's remarkable that we even got a penalty at Anfield to start off with. You can hardly blame Moyes for a well struck penalty brilliantly saved. I'd say (and I know it won't be a popular opinion on here) Moyes and his team are doing fine at the club. I've a feeling that Benrhama was the last of the 'little presents' Sullivan bought in as a surprise and has been treated that way by Moyes deliberately which is a bit out of order if true. Other than that, the club staying shtum every time he hands out a bollocking instead of it being in the newspapers minutes later is a little step forward. I like him."

[Capitol Man]

"We've not been taking out chances. Scamacca has missed a load over the past few games. Doesn't look bad, just inches or a couple of feet away. Then we miss a penalty tonight, which you can't do at Anfield and expect to win. Something is not quite clicking. We aren't far from putting a decent run together. As has been said, there aren't many better managerial options out there for us. If we are near mid-table by the break then he;s ere for the rest of the season."

[Raymond Reddington]

Downs and rama be back on the bench Monday Bin the negative slag now ffs

[Nick QQQ]

Out of his depth. Can't start or pick a side that will win games which is a massive problem.

[Nagel]

"He doesn't quite do it every game. Didn't vs Brighton, Everton, Fulham or Wolves. I suppose you can understand it a bit more with the European games as he gives Hegyi a chance to get involved with the 1st team, but there doesn't seem to be much benefit in having Randolph there at all."

[threesixty]

"I just think he wants the keepers part of the ""team""ù. He probably just values the whole bonding thing. I can't think of any other reason. He seems to use the bench for team building rather than planning for a game. He brings kids in he has no intention of playing. Plays more senior players out of position and rarely makes subs before 60/70 minutes anyway unless he's a goal down. Not sure I agree with any of that but that's how the boss does it."

[Takashi Miike]

he does it every game

[Nagel]

"Ancelotti used to have 2 keepers on the bench when he was Everton manager. He explained it was to avoid problems if there was a sudden injury or illness to the first or second option, particularly when playing away. It's noticeable that Moyes does this a lot more for away games, so I guess his reasoning is similar. I don't see why the venue matters though as our 3rd choice keeper doesn't play for the U-23s so he could quite easily travel with the 1st team squad as a precaution without being named as a sub, unless necessary. In the end I guess it's just the belt and braces safety first philosophy that Moyes goes for. There's always that tiny chance that both keepers get injured or sent off, so..."

[threesixty]

JayeMPee 3:20 Tue Oct 18 I'd be up for that definitely. Why not? Would love to see how high a line Liverpool would keep with Benny / samamca and Antonio on the half way line.

[Side of Ham]

Crossed Dresser you do the same with Paqueta and he's only been here for a short while..... So fuck off Tottenham fan.