Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[North Bank]

"Russ 1:47 I don't have any issue with discussing Moyes decisions, as I posted earlier some of them disappoint me, however this thread was started after the loss against Everton and the posts following were saturated with indignant responses wanting Moyes hung, drawn & quartered after only 7 games, recently he's been destroyed with some posters even calling him racist. Since then we've played 8 games won 6, drawn 1 and lost 1 to Liverpool away, but reading the posts I've come to the conclusion that posters are tolerating him and come the next dip in form. which will come, the knives will be back out and if he's available Poch will be the new saviour, even though we have no chance of getting him. Moyes is arguably the most competent manager we've had since Lyall, yet some still think the grass is greener, I'm firmly behind Moyes and believe he'll get us winning in a more attractive style, if he doesn't then I'm pretty sure our investors from the Summer will act."

[OccupyGreenStreet]

"I've been massively frustrated by Moyes in all the ways mentioned over the past year. With the level of investment we've had, we should be in or around top 8 this season, and going all out to qualify for Europe again next year, either by league position or possibly by winning the ECL. Finally, after a really poor start, we're showing signs that this is achievable. Even with Moyes's ultra-cautious and underwhelming set ups. So for now, I want to build rather than change direction. But if we fall away from the top half of the PL, to me that is underperformance. Also, I don't think Benny is the missing link and key to the season. He's not even performed consistently for Algeria against weak opposition - one international goal to his name, against the mighty Djibouti."

[twoleftfeet]

Hardly Moyes fault if Antonio and Benrahma can't hit a cows arse with a banjo. Feel free to discuss Moyes but the slanderous comments were out of order.

[Charoo]

"Mike - it was mad - it was like Downes had an an inability to turn left too, twice he could have turned and played the ball in field and it looked like his body was locked to the right and could only look for Coufal or a ball backwards. It was proper weird - must have been drilled to get it, protect it and keep it in a wide area. Let him sit in front of the back 4 and play his role."

[Takashi Miike]

"I don't think it's been that bad the last couple of games, maybe I'm just becoming immune to the bare minimum approach and lack of imagination. It does make me laugh though that he continued with downes at the head of the three main midfield last night (when he came on). either he's taking the piss, winding the player up or genuinely thinks it's a way of pressing higher up the pitch. I'd love to know the answer üòÇ"

[whu]

If you can't discuss your teams manager on a football forum as some suggest WTAF?

[Russ of the BML]

"Kandu 10:16 Fri Oct 28 So is nobody allowed to discuss Moyes? Every week the dour negative set ups and football are causing people concern. His inability to get the team playing well also. His delays in making subs and then the wrong ones. His unnecessary changes in formation. So called new 'top class' players not looking settled. I could go on. Nobody is screaming ""Moyes out"". But supporters want to discuss it and try and make some sense of it all. If that's ok? Or shall we all just sit back and 'We are little ol' West Ham so anything's a bonus...."""

[factory seconds]

"this thread will be on a regular pendulum swing until we start beating half decent teams or losing to properly shite ones. moyes can break the cycle with a result on sunday, or at least a show of intent."

[Russ of the BML]

"North Bank 12:14 Fri Oct 28 ""Not sure why this thread is still getting traction"" ""obviously the league form hasn't been great this season, the football is laboured and not as fee flowing as last season, he frustrates the fuck out of me with his treatment of Benrahma, his insistence on Fornals & Soucek in the starting line up and his playing of Downes in a forward role is perplexing."" Need I say more."

[stewie griffin]

"Generally agree, bank, but geordies not the example for me, in fact it adds weight to arguments that moyes is performing poorly. Maybe in future but not yet. The bulk of their improvement has been with existing players like joelinton, schar, willock, Wilson, longstaff etc who didn't win in their first 18 games last year and not a single west ham fan would have taken any of them. Guimaraes is mustard, but every club can spend 40 million on a player. We have. We just did it badly. Truth is 1 to 11 we at very least match them. But we're nowhere near at present"

[master]

"For some, the points, where we finish in the league, those are the be all and end all. For others, it's additionally about how entertaining watching us is, whether we are expansive and free flowing, whether it's actually worthwhile attending and enjoyable watching one of our games, etc. Each to their own."

[North Bank]

"Not sure why this thread is still getting traction, obviously the league form hasn't been great this season, the football is laboured and not as fee flowing as last season, he frustrates the fuck out of me with his treatment of Benrahma, his insistence on Fornals & Soucek in the starting line up and his playing of Downes in a forward role is perplexing. That said he's a pair of safe hands that's delivered two excellent seasons and promising a third, let's see where we are once the squad starts to settle. Outside the top six and their riches, now seven with the Geordies blood money, where do some of you seriously expect us to finish this season and in future seasons?"

[Charoo]

"I maintain my position on Moyes, wouldn't sack him for sacking sake but I'd Swap him out for Poch in a minute. The thing is we've all been over there for years and years and seen turgid crap served up and with no results to match, this week, 2 games, 2 clean sheets, 3 goals, 3 points in Europe and 3 points in the Premier league and top 10. We should all be grateful and ecstatic. However those stats mask poor, negative performances, players not being utilised in the right way and a type and style of play which is to be Frank - fucking boring. We play in front of teams, don't play and move between the lines, go sideways, back across the middle to the other side, then switch play again, it's so predictable and easy to defend. We can't score goals from open play, our final ball if mostly shit and we aren't utilitising the players we have. Our subs are predictable and over the last few weeks our results have been assisted by the help of some questionable decisions to get us the results over some proper shit sides. In the past our managers haven't had £160m of new players, it's been some loans and speculative punts. I understand that people think Moyes deserves time and I can agree with that - however I don't buy into we should be grateful for what we have. Our last meaningful trophy was 42 years ago - we aren't poor little old West Ham anymore, the small time, doff your cap style thinking has to change, why as a fan base don't we deserve more? We have the players for a much more pleasing style of football and if our manager hasn't the skill, desire or ability to adapt then we should find a manager who can. Going up and then dropping further and further back at home to Bournemouth and Silkeborg I don't think is right. Trying to just stay in games until 75 mins then try and get a goal I also don't get. Moyes record away against the big boys is also terrible, no wins in 67 or something as a top flight manager, I heart that on Hammers chat the other day - I mean that's horrendous and shows the mentality. Ultimately Moyes has done a good job and if he continues he'll have my support but while there are in my opinion better options out there with no compensation to pay if I were the owners I'd be sounding them out."

[Nagel]

"Moyes seems to rely on drilling players in training rather than tactics or motivation. He did say at the time of the lockdown that it was giving him much more opportunity to work one-on-one with the players on the training field. Since then, with all the European games it's meant that there are fewer training days and he has to spend more time on travel and press conferences, etc. Perhaps he's just not cut out to be a manager at a club playing in Europe."

[daveyg]

Nagel Totally with you there. The break made him put his plans into action. We can see this season that with better players he can't motivate them to excel. Despite spending shit loads. Then letting our best youngsters leave. Alese would of been better than Emerson on all levels and would of fitted in whilst Aguerd was injured.

[Nagel]

"I'm not having this bollocks about him SAVING us from relegation twice. First time out Moyes took over in early November after just 11 games. We were 6 points off 10th place at the time, with 9 points, just 2 less than at the same stage this season. Second time out the team was flying at the start of the season, in 5th place after 7 games, with Haller getting 4 goals in his first 7. Then Fabianski got injured and it went to shit. He was back in action just in time for Moyes' return but still in his 19 games in charge he managed just 1 point more than Pellegrini had in the first half of the season. Doubtful that he would have managed even that if not for the lockdown bailing him out and giving him a mid season break."

[fraser]

"Fair to say most of us have, but then we don't call others cunts when their not changing their minds at the same time ;-) I'm on the fence at the moment, the football is negative, but the results are OK, nothing more"

[goose]

"Fraser it wasn't aimed specifically at you my friend - although I can see it might look that way. I've changed my mind on Moyes before, and I probably will again."

[Kandu]

"Admiral Lard 1:12 Fri Oct 28 Well said Moyes is probably not going to take us higher than Europa League level but people forget he's saved us from relegation TWICE and we're now in our SECOND successive European campaign . No the football isn't exactly scintillating so far this season and hasn't been for a little while and he is probably a more defence minded manager but you can't say we weren't trying to win last night and other games. We arnt ""òclicking' yet with our new players and several/most are playing below par (eg Bowen) and injuries always disrupt too. Our squad is as strong as I can remember for a while. Even last season you looked at the bench to see who we could bring on to get a goal/change the game-Vlasic,Yarma,Noble,etc. Now we actually have options and are even able to rest Antonio a bit, not that he/we seem to be benefitting from that too much so far. Plus we're rotating the team constantly to keep as many of the squad happy. Not easy. Also not easy when teams come and keep 10 men behind the ball. Moyes out ? Be very fucking careful what you wish for"

[fraser]

Goose - I didn't say anyone was a cսnt for changing their minds..

[Nick QQQ]

"This conference league is called so for a reason.! It's proper shit. If you're happy that we churning out the reserve team winning games against championship opposition good for you. We haven't turned up for most of this season and are yet to beat decent opposition. It's clear Moyes doesn't know how to use the new players properly and is sticking to his rigid formations and tactics. We played 5 at the back last night and he's playing Downes as a 10 so Soucek can do some running around misplacing the odd 10 passes. This season is going to be a bottom half of the table bore fest. After spending all that money""¶."

[goose]

"Surely results will always drive whether people are Moyes in or Moyes out? If he wins the next 5 games straight then nobody will be ""òMoyes out'. That doesn't make them a cսnt for changing their minds."

[fraser]

"Twoleftfeet Yes I wanted him out 5/6 weeks ago but he has turned it round so I'm very pleased with the job he is doing. So basically you wanted him out, then changed your mind and decided anyone else who didn't change their mind is a cսnt."

[Eerie Descent]

"""And on Fornals, what Pep has made explicit in the last five years is the value of overloads and the pay off of attacking wherever the space is in the opposition's set up. Fornals is the ultimate team/systems mind set - he'll plug gaps and do whatever is asked of him, which in contemporary football is massively important. Agreed he came in as a talented creative attacking midfielder and he may well take that role up again in time, but like Tommy, he's massively good at making sure there aren't overloads or spaces that are exploited."" With respect, that is a load of old codswallop."

[Huffers]

Is Europe's going to mask another seasonzzzz