Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Sir Alf]

"Sullivan only employs old men or at least history suggests that ? This Argentinian or other younger managers won't fit Sullivan's idea / understanding of what makes a good modern manager. Sully is still operating in the late 90s / early 2000's. An outdated relic like the managers he typically goes for. Past reputation not progressive. Benitez is the type he will go for if he really has to and that won't happen until end of Jan after we lose 3 or 4 of the next 5 games that allegedly Moyes is being given. Steve Bruce or someone else on the scrap heap might be another one Sully will opt for. Relegation specialists. They were once seen as managers to get you out of trouble but their methods now likely to take us down. Problem is whoever comes in has to change the whole system of play and philosophy. And they have to do it very quickly and using a squad where a lot of the players were bought and drilled to play ""sit deep, compact and try not to concede for 2 thirds of the game and look to get a few goals via counter attacking and set pieces""ù. Too many of the squad are not comfortable enough on the ball. Namely: Antonio, Soucek, Dawson, Cresswell, Coufal, Johnson even Zouma and in these days of goalkeepers being part of the passing routine from the back Fabianski is old school and cannot pass the ball around. So some big holes in the squad too to change how we play. Not mentioning only having one striker ( Antonio is not a striker). And a lot of these Moyes old guard are getting on as we have the second oldest team in the Premiership. The game is much faster and you need younger lads now. Lots of investment still needed in other words and changing manager will probably mean having to do that in Jan although leaving it late in that window is high risk. Owners will pray that Moyes just about keeps us up. But as I bore on and keep saying, and others have a similar view I think? Moyes ain't turning this season around. We have just gone into free fall. *** plays hymn ""Glad that I live am I""ù *** ;-)"

[Nagel]

"Argentine football is nothing like Scottish. They've had many different league winners: 10 in the last 15 years, although some of them were from when the league had 2 separate stages. Even now it's probably harder to predict the top 2 there than it is in England, let alone Scotland. Gallardo has also twice won the Libertadores, which is the south American equivalent of the Champions League. Completely ridiculous to compare him with Gerrard. As for failing if he doesn't speak English, Pochettino didn't speak it when he went to Southampton."

[Meerkat]

A lot of sense there Wiltell . He won't be at West Ham .

[Willtell]

"I'd never heard much about Gallardo since he quit playing because I only follow WHU. However, he will never be employed by WHU while Sullivan has anything to do with it I'm sure. I'd also urge caution to those that want him. He's been managing at River Plate - a top team known as 'The Millionaires' for a reason. The only other club to challenge them over the years is Boca Juniors. Argentine football is probably a bit like a bigger version of Scottish football with Rangers and Celtic winning virtually all the prizes. Gallardo's win %age there according to Wiki is 53.7% - not bad over 8 years but for the biggest club in Argentina? I compare that to how Steven Gerrard did at Rangers - 64.8% win %age. At Villa he managed 32.5% and got sacked... The PL has no easy games. Gallardo might have a good reputation but if he would fail if he doesn't speak English. Plus he's used to managing one of the richest clubs in South America as one of 2 top clubs in his league. WHU might be a shock too far I suspect..."

[Manuel]

"Gallardo is never going to happen, we all know that. I was originally in the we can attract Poch camp (never Tuchel) but now reading between the lines I do think he is setting his sights higher and is happy to bide his time. Not looking good."

[british is best]

"Hopefully for the sake of the club and it's support. Sullivan won't be be running things post march. I have a horrible feeling he's gonna try and hang on until 2025, when the lldc folds . I just hope kretinsky gets him out straight away ."

[Nagel]

"Yeah, but if Gallardo waits until the summer you can pretty much guarantee that one of the top jobs will be available. I'm sure he wouldn't mind a few months break after 8 years. I don't even think Sully would want him anyway, because he don't speak English and has no experience managing in a top European league, let alone the Premier League. Also, I think Gallardo knows that Sully is a cheap bastard as we tried to get one of River Plate's players a couple of years back, Gonzalo Montiel. We offered a loan with an option to buy and Gallardo said it was a ridiculous offer and not worth even trying to negotiate with us."

[Iron Duke]

"I see that Pochetino is joining the BBC's team for the World Cup, along with Pablo Zabaleta. Maybe we could tap them both up."

[Dutch Iron]

"Nagel, I can see your point but there are not so many top clubs in need for a new manager at the moment. Also a lot of other candidates. Gallardo could see us as a perfect stepping stone. He looks a stable character being 8 years at River Plate. Being out of contract makes him perfect option for Sullivan."

[Sir Alf]

"Marty and Nagal, I reckon it might be wishful thinking that GSB will remove Moyes before he loses most games in Jan after the WC. I think we will lose to Arsenal, Brentford and then another 1 maybe 2 games ( we have Leeds I think? ) before they act. And then it will be Sullivan calling someone that he has spoken to or knows and feels less threatened by. Which all points to Benitez. Someone who had agreed to be manager in principle a few years back ( I think he then got offered the Madrid job so obviously took that ). It's a classic Sullivan appointment of an old white bloke like them. And why I feel so strongly Moyes will not turn things around? Simply because his teams have all played the same way. Defend deep, keep the shape, remain compact and try not to concede many and rely on getting a goal or two on the counter or set pieces. It's why journeymen type players and honest, hard working, disciplined players flourish under him a part of a tight team ethic. No room for too much risk taking and technicians who will part of a system where the ball is retained and playing high press etc that most teams now follow. He has never attempted that and neither has Nevin his tactical coach or Nolan or McKinley. No experience whatsoever of that way of playing. They would all have to know or Learn the training methods, the drills and have the players to make it work. That is where the current disconnect is. Why we look so disjointed. He has brought in ( or agreed to bringing in players Newman recommends) that are more technically gifted but Moyes has not changed the system and it's part of the reason we have not seen them all on the pitch at one time. He started with 1 or 2 and most we have seen is 3 or 4. The old players are retained because they know the system and it means the work on training ground has never been attempted. Add to all that, teams know how to negate his approach and the fact that many of the players that served him well over the last 2 years are on the decline. So we still have several positions that need upgrades for even if Moyes and coaches started playing a possession, high press game. Wing backs, another forward and another CB the minimum. We may survive relegation playing the same way but it's far from guaranteed. We look so poor in possession. Still the likes of Antonio, Dawson, Soucek, Cresswell, Coufal, even Fabianski ( with his feet ) not comfortable enough on the ball to play possession based football. We are heading for relegation or close to it at best without change."

[Nagel]

"What are Newman's south American links then? I know he was in scouting in Brazil last month but not heard anything else related to that region. As for Gallardo, hasn't he previously turned down the likes of Barcelona and Chelsea? He's leaving River Plate when his contract expires next month anyway so no compensation would no doubt appeal to Sullivan, but I suspect that Gallardo will wait for offers from the top clubs."

[marty feldman]

We won't go down not even Moyes is that inept . I fully expect him gone at the end of December with plenty ins and Outs during the transfer window to follow. I reckon we've already got a manager lined up and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it's galardo at river plate given Newman's south American links .

[marty feldman]

You can always rely on the evening standard. To try and save anyone inept at west ham . I still remember how they swung behind Terry brown . During tabors attempted takeover. Theyve done the same with countless managers as well .

[Takashi Miike]

"you need to stop listening to noble, who's nothing more than another glove puppet for fantasy island david"

[claypole]

Rebuilding by offering Cresswell a new deal?

[13 Brentford Rd]

"He's going nowhere according to Noble in The Standard tonight. He was talking about his new role and how great Moyes is. Apparently this season is all about rebuilding for next season. They've written it off. LOL, a tiny bit of relative success for 2 years and we're rebuilding 🤣"

[Surfinglizard]

"As usual Alf I make you right; The blend of - inability to adapt the formation - leaving players as first choice when they should not be - not having a Plan B - playing players out of position - making the wrong substitutions at the wrong times - dissing arguably our best player this season (Benny) - being rude or looking old and stupid in front of the press - not being able to organise big name signings well - having a track record of not winning anything much despite telling the world he wins things - trying to demonstrate his success this season by calling out the European results against bus drivers and farmers. Need any more anyone?""¶. Unfortunately it will be late Jan/Feb before he moves on. We will be lower mid at best no danger of relegation and we may do well in the Europe competition however that is papering over massive cracks. We have to have a new era and a new model for 2023. This has to be the pain before the club rise like a Phoenix from the ashes ( but..without Rice)"

[Texas Iron]

"With Moyes""¶ Lucky to make top 10""¶ I predict 10 - 15th""¶ Moyes has ruined our season""¶our Club""¶ And wasted Millions in fees and value of players""¶ Get a proper manager in ASAP""¶"

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In what respect?

[Lee Trundle]

"Hasn't been the best of days on here for you, has it comma?"

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Well posters are comparing Moyes unfavourably with Poch and saying at least he has won something. So as an example I pointed out that we have had a manager that has won more than Poch and we dumped him.

[fraser]

"Wtf has Pellegrini got to do with Poch, other than they're from the same continent... Better not get a British manager then as we've had some proper shit ones."

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Why are people in thrall to Poch? We dumped a South American manager who has won more than Poch whether in the EPL or Europe.

[Russ of the BML]

"goose 12:42 Thu Nov 17 So you agree that Poch is progressive but not as progressive as he used to be and so is no longer progressive? Okay, that's fair enough. I get where you are coming from. But is he too big a name for our board? Does he come with too much of a reputation? Is he in their thinking?"

[whu]

AKA ERNIE 11:31 Thu Nov 17 Re: Moyes Out Whu poch has not won nothing as you put it Hes won a title and 2 cups so three more than moyes... I was quoting the other fella Ernie before my reply mate