Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Eerie Descent]

"Benitez or Martinez would be a right kick in the teeth. If we're purely going down the route of managers with Prem experience who we know about, then Ronald Koeman would be a better bet than those 2, for me. I really wish they could identify someone outside the box, not gonna happen though."

[Iron Duke]

"I would take Martinez as a replacement. He wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but perhaps the best out of who is available and willing."

[Glenn Rodent]

*numbers and quality

[Glenn Rodent]

"The other point I didn't make, is that Moyes has failed to strengthen key areas where we have fallen short with numbers and guilty for some time. Yes, we have spent a ton of money and look no better off. I like Downes for the future, but he should have instead gone for priority signings. Moyes should have strengthened the midfield with one more experienced, combative, powerful player with pedigree to give Soucek and Rice some competition. Paqueta is a luxury player which is a layer above what was needed. We still lack power and pace in midfield and continue to get turned over. He didn't strengthen the full back areas where which is the weakest area. Cresswell isn't effective enough in either half. He and Johnson don't go high enough to give us enough width. Johnson just doesn't have the attacking quality. Coufal has fell off a cliff. Emerson just doesnt improve on what we have. He hasn't brought in any competition for Bowen on the right hand side which is just bizarre in my eyes. We have Fornals, Emerson Benrahma and Cornet that can play wide left and just Bowen on the right. None of the others are effective on the right. And he hasn't replaced Antonio. We clearly needed more than just Scamacca. And Moyes hasn't seen this. His transfer policy has been largely poor and we are now paying the consequences."

[fraser]

He was happy to play for a 0-0 then happy to stay at 1-0 with no intention to try and score again. Same goes for 1-1... Then when we're behind it seems his only ambition is to not fall further behind.

[Jasnik]

Tuchel really don't get the love over him. To me he is too negative

[Glenn Rodent]

"He has a combination of problems which he is totally culpable of. He has been too hesitant in the transfer market in previous windows when we desperately needed reinforcements. So we have had players like Coufal, Cresswell, Soucek, Bowen and Antonio who have ran themselves into the ground and now look completely shot. He then buys too many players late in one window which means that they have not settled or gelled. He has a reactive and not proactive mindset in the transfer market. He has bought the likes of Emerson, Kherer and Paqueta because they were offered to him and he has now wasted the money that was available. He has no idea how to utilise these new players to get the best out of them and continues to stick with low block counter attacking tactics using existing players that don't have the energy to play this and then add new players like Scamacca and Paqueta that don't suit this brand of football. He has continued to show faith in players that clearly aren't good enough - Johnson, Cresswell, Coufal, Soucek, Antonio. And then he doesn't give other players such as Ashby a chance. He has then been unlucky with injuries though - Aguerd, Cornet, Scamacca, Zouma. Moyes really does seem to be out of ideas at the moment. I hope he can somehow miraculously turn it around with a positive and convincing front foot win against Brentford. But I expect us to struggle and if we lose, then a change will be needed. Who that new manager will be is difficult. Tuchel, Zidane or Pochettino are fantasy appointments. Potter, Franks, Howe clearly aren't going to leave their clubs. Dyche, Hasenhuttl, Martinez, Rodgers, Gerrard, Bielsa are all underwhelming targets with more negatives points than positives. Tuchel or Pochettino would be amazing, but I can't see them wanting to come to us. So the one Manager who is available, highly experienced, tactically efficient, knows the Premier League, speaks good English, is a winner and has pedigree and respect of players is Benitez. Apart from the impossible Everton job, he has the experience and know how to get us re-organised and back up the table. If Moyes fails on Friday, then I can't see anyone beyond Benitez."

[Jasnik]

Also when was the last time we dominated a team. Plus when we went 2-0 down against Arsenal we just didn't look like we were even trying to attack it was like we just gave up.

[Jasnik]

Moyes problem is that his solution to our current issue is to go more defensive. Which is the problem. As he said to Nick a point. He doesn't seem to realise that is not working especially against the top six. Most teams who have shocked these teams have gone for it. Also only just saw the Joe Cole and Declan interview was interesting from him saying the team when they came back from covid we fitter then they had ever been and one of the reason they did so well. I bet the level for this season are no where that level.

[Yarmouth]

Surely Moyes reads posts on this site? And if he does surely he can see that we don't want him anymore. Has he got no self respect at all?

[southbankbornnbred]

"Genuinely, I'm surprised that Moyes continues to enjoy any sort of support from within our fan base. Putting European football aside for one moment, we have been extremely poor in the Premier League since February. Truly atrocious at times - and we are showing absolutely no signs of improvement. We had a six-week break due to the World Cup, having been a shambles since the new season began. Moyes had six weeks to view the problems in depth, get his head around even basic solutions (such as being able to finally pass our way through the basic high-press deployed against us by even shit sides) and begin to rebuild tactically on the back of that. Nothing. Sure, we played Arsenal, the league leaders in our first game since the World Cup. But there was barely the slightest shred of evidence that Moyes has learnt anything at all - and THAT's now my biggest problem with him: either a steadfast reluctance or, more likely, a simple inability adapt to the demands of a fast-changing Premier League where tactics now do matter as much as the quality of the players you have. Things like Klopp's so-called 'Gegenpress' have changed the league. Everybody has copied it - and you now HAVE to have central midfield players who are very good (not just good) on the ball and can pass their way out of the high-press and into areas of the field where you can build attacks - and you step up to compress your opponents' space. That first movement - to get your centre backs or deep lying central midfield to quickly get the ball under control and out beyond that first (opposition) press is absolutely vital. It is now one of the most basic requirements of Premier League football. Instead, we still sit far too deep, have some centre backs who are not great with the ball (one or two are OK with it) and then compound the problem by insisting on using Soucek in a deep position when he takes an age to get the ball under control and can barely pass. Tactically, the way we set up almost ensures the opponents' Gegenpress (or whatever the fuck people want to call it these days - it's just a high press led by the oppo front line) succeeds. This problem has been screaming out at us all year. So what did we see from Moyes in the first game back after a six-week break in which he could and should have learned that basic lesson? A deep sitting defence, deep back line and more of the same fro the deep-lying midfield. He's a tactical dinosaur. He had a Plan A which worked when we had Antonio fit, strong and running amok straight down the centre of the pitch. But teams have figured us out. They did so around Feb/March and we have spent almost the entirety of 2022 insisting that Moyes now-defunct tactics can still work. Moyes IS the problem. More specifically, his inability to adapt and find subtle changes to the way we play IS the problem. He has to go. We have been extremely poor since he was rumbled and he has no Plan B. We have, quite literally, watched the tactical demands of the game suffocate our manager and he has been unable to respond. Maybe he will, most likely he won't. Surely it is time to move on?"

[Bernie]

"any competent owners should have a list of names of managers they know they can get, if Pochettino is on that list Moyes should've been sacked weeks ago."

[Bernie]

"Since Gold and Sullivan have been here they have always waited too long to sack someone, and have never paid to get anyone out of a job as a replacement. So whoever we get it'll be too late and they'll be FREE"

[Ron Eff]

"I hope he does throw the FA Cup. Not because I don't want to win it or take it seriously, but because even the apologists will surely turn. Mind you, if we lose Friday I don't think he'll be in charge for that fixture because it will turn toxic. You only need look at his treatment of Benrahma for how he feels about players that take risks and try something other than a three yard pass. This prick would have kept Payet and Di Canio on the bench."

[Full Claret Jacket]

"Refreshing to see so many see the same issues as I do. Shame the board, coaches and players dont. I cant speak for recruitment but I've no doubt Sullivan dumped a few players he likes through agent friends in the mix. I cant say they are all dreadful though. I like many of the signings just not how they are being played or how they are hung out to dry. Moyes public negative comments about some players is poor management. We are playing awful football with a few individuals making an effort in a system which is not suited to them. The rest seem to have given up or are now so lacking in confidence that its a struggle just to avoid mistakes. There needs to be a change. We are stale and lifeless. We need to play with freedom and energy. I dont care if we lose games as long as we have played like we wanted to win them with pride in playing for the club and each other."

[Percy Dalton]

Feed me chicken. Yep you're right flair is not in his DNA. Fuck me the Scotch cսnt fell out with Rooney.

[Manuel]

"Simon - 100% that game is being written off. The ECL however would be a bitter pill to swallow if we had to sacrifice that for survival, but hopefully it doesn't come to that."

[-[Rasta]-]

"he has two more games then he's out, not a lover of getting rid of managers but he needs to go now"

[simon.s]

"Manuel 1:03 Wed Dec 28 Another cup Moyes will disregard more than normal will be the FA Cup next week. A competition I look forward to every year even though we'll probably never win it again. We are regressing under this bloke, and every week he is still here will make it harder to salvage anything from this season."

[Feed Me Chicken]

Never forget Moyes went to watch Maddison once and decided he wasn't good enough for us. Probably tried playing the ball forward too much for his liking

[Romfordboy]

fraser 12:03 Wed Dec 28 Re: Moyes Out Hard to put the ball in the net from our own half.. *Laugh and cry gif*

[Manuel]

"I heard someone make a good point yesterday that if were still in the shit come March we won't be able to prioritize the ECL. Mind you, with Lazio and Villareal now in it I doubt we'd win it anyway."

[Percy Dalton]

Probably an entirely different crowd than what was at that Burnley match. Don't hear much booing just a realisation that they're fed dross week in week out.The tourists don't give a flying fuck if we lose.

[goose]

"He wont be walking, thats for sure."

[Iron Duke]

"You look at some chairmen, and could be justified in thinking they are far too trigger happy when it comes to firing managers. Ours are the complete opposite: they hang on too long and drag it out. If we lose against Brentford, you would think he has to walk. With our chairmen, I'm not sure they would do it even them. Moyes did well for a couple of years, but there can be no room for sentiment. He was heavily backed in the summer, and either he bought the wrong players, or the wrong players were bought for him because he couldn't make a decision. Either way, we have gone backwards and our form is the worst in the league. Personally, I think anything less than a win and convincing performance will do. We should have got rid of him after the Leicester game and given someone more time to evaluate the team. Our owners always wait too long, and never have the personality, ruthlessness and imagination to line someone up. Teams like Southampton, Leeds, Villa, Palace and Brighton constantly outmanoeuvre us in this department. We got lucky the last time with Moyes. I don't fancy us to get lucky this time."