Moyes Out ( Released )

[Keep dreaming]

"Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore. I'm fed up, we can do much better"

[Romfordboy]

I mean he spent 180m in the summer there cannot be much left in the kitty for this window anyway.

[daveyg]

"This fraud of a manager is still saying we are doing, citing back a glorious league cup run. FFS we got knocked out by Spurs in the QF. What about this you c**t ?. i loathe him to death. He thinks we are having a good season though we are in the bottom 3,not worried by that and 6 defeats in 7. Fucking hell why do we get these turds."

[marty feldman]

It's strongly rumoured he's being backed in the January transfer window. Looked a lot happier in todays press conference as well . Unbelievable but hey ho if we do go down we all know we're the blame lies .

[Meerkat]

"Infuriating that were stuck with Moyes for at least 3 more games . The cup is a write off in both his and Sullivans eyes . He gets the next 2 league games irrespective of the result of the first one . Win the second one and it's another 2 games at least because I think they are against top 6 , so they will be considered write offs as well . On reflection I think he could well be here until the end of Feb."

[Eerie Descent]

"Haha I bet you have the best football chats when you're out on one of your many nights out, you old social butterfly."

[Sir Alf]

"I think ( opinion ) that the full back or wing backs are, in the current incarnation of the game, the key to getting behind teams who sit deep and beating the press. They call it ""an overload""ù these days and it's key to stretching teams but risky of course to the counter. You need your CBs and midfielders to be quick and potentially cover for them. But you need the whole team to be mobile to create that situation where you create the overload get in behind teams or create space for others in midfield others if you have 4-6 players to deal with in attack. It's why we struggled to open up Brentford ( and others ) who just sat 9 behind the ball and we just couldn't get behind them once. Like I say, need fitness and pace to make it work and players who can pass the ball accurately over short distances at least. Anyway, all academic as Moyes would never play such a progressive system. He would of made quick fullbacks a priority? Emerson might be one but Longelo is. They are naturally not so disciplined positionally when defending and hence often part of a 5 at the back. Again, Moyes would not want that."

[Nagel]

"Thanks. Great ""football chat"", as always."

[Eerie Descent]

"Yes Nage son, I agree with you. If fact, I agree with everything you've ever said. 100% spot on. Have the best night. Top man. Apologies for responding."

[Nagel]

"But you're the only one going on about them being our ""main goal threat"" or the ""most important ingredient for goals"". No-one else has said anything like that."

[Eerie Descent]

"onsideman 7:26 Fri Jan 6 I don't understand football, no. I played fullback at county level, but that hardly qualifies me for anything. Fullbacks without doubt are massively important. Every position on the field is important. However, our biggest problem this year is scoring goals, and that is not down to our fullbacks. I never said we needed to buy a forward, did I? I mean, we do need one, as Antonio as back up is terrifying, but by the by, the reason we haven't scored enough goals is not our fullbacks, it's our useless cսnt of a manager's main tactic of setting us up with 10 men behind the ball, and pumping it long, and also he can no longer rely on our best attacking weapon for the previous 2 seasons - THE SET PLAY. We could have prime Cafu & Roberto Carlos as our fullbacks, and it wouldn't make that much difference, because as a team as a whole, we treat the football is like a fucking hot potato. One of our central midfielders, in his last 3 starts, his pass completion rate is 70%, 42%, and 55%. Read that and weep. I reckon we've got bigger fish to fry than worrying about our fullbacks being our main goal threat, but then again, I obviously know fuck all."

[onsideman]

"I have to say though that when you see players like Rico Lewis at Man City and the kid Hall who came on for Chelsea yesterday and compare them to our highly rated youths such as Odubeko who's a reserve at Port Vale (having failed at Huddersfield) or Thierry Nevers similarly at Newport and Dan Chesters at Colchester, then you have to question our youth development too. Longelo and Ashby look like they should have been given a chance but time will tell"

[onsideman]

"Eerie Descent 6:35 Fri Jan 6 I don't think you really understand football, do you? He's not saying they're an exclusive method of goal creation at all. The fact is that ours contribute fuck all offensively. As a consequence the team we are playing don't have to consider them a significant threat. As a further consequence they can focus their efforts on our inverted wingers and our attacking midfielder making us the easiest team to defend against in the division. Do you honestly think that buying a new centre forward will solve all our goalscoring probelms?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"One step at a time, though: we first need a manager with a bit more than one tactic rumbled by the entire division."

[southbankbornnbred]

"Definitely think Ashby and Longelo should have been given a solid run of first team games this season - probably in the Europa Conference. Don't know if that would have improved out dismal league status, though. I guess its more reflective of the fact that Moyes doesn't seem to trust that ex-Under 23s team (despite their success). Alese being allowed to leave permanently for Sunderland also seemed like an odd decision. We could perhaps have kept him and loaned him out to a Championship side this year, same as Longelo. We're not clever with these things, while the likes of Chelsea do it well and make good money from an extensive youth-and-loan regime. They do have cash to invest in it, though."

[Eerie Descent]

"Nagel 5:14 Fri Jan 6 Once again, if you're relying on fullbacks to be your most important ingredient for goals, you have bigger problems in the grand scheme."

[Sir Alf]

I've been posting ( spamming ;-) ) on here since 1997 and this is the 3rd time there has been pretty much 100% agreement on the problems and root of them ( Moyes / Sullivan). Other 2 times were identical with Avram and BFS in place of Moyes. But Moyes has had much better backing in terms of spending. He is failing spectacularly but only in the eyes of the fans ( well most now agree that's the case ). Meanwhile Nero (Sullivan ) fiddles ( with himself ) .

[Fifth Column]

I thought our full backs looked the best prospects out of them all - one wants to leave and the other is at Brum on loan

[Fifth Column]

"Lee T Why couldn't we introduce youth players? Let me introduce you to David Moyes. The cսnt. Yes I know you already know this, I'm just ranting."

[Lee Trundle]

"It's a bit weird, considering they finished 2nd behind City, and above Arsenal, they were never given a chance. City and Arsenal have managed to introduce a couple of their YOOFS into their sides, who contain better players than ours, so why couldn't we?"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Trunds - yep! He's on loan at Brum all season. And, by all accounts, playing well. That's not to say that he would have thrived here this season - it is the Championship, after all. But he's doing well, so the Brummies say."

[Nagel]

"Our biggest problem is scoring goals, but you should know that full backs can and do play a big part in that. In our one good season under Moyes the full backs contributed 15 assists between them. This season so far: a big fat zero."

[Lee Trundle]

Wasn't Longelo one of the many youth players (the ones that did so well in the U23's) that got pissed off they weren't getting any chances under Moyes?

[Eerie Descent]

"As much as we're desperate for better fullbacks, and have been for ages, you're off your head if you think that's out biggest problem. We've scored 15 goals in 18 games ffs"

[southbankbornnbred]

"Meanwhile, Manny Longelo (LB/LWB) is playing well on loan at Birmingham - and they think they've bagged a bargain for the season. I still think there might have been a role for him here this season."

[onsideman]

"That's 100% correct Nagel, but rather than spend fortunes we should have scoured every lower league club for 2 full backs - Creswell came from the Championship, of course - or recruited youngsters internationally as Brighton have done twice. It comes to something when the mighty M'boro had 2 better right backs than us before rhey loaned one out to Forest"